Awakening

[N.D.U.O]

Why do you guys think Angel says Buffy's name in Awakening?

[Skytteflickan88]

May 4, 2010 15:05:20 GMT -5 N.D.U.O said:

Why do you guys think Angel says Buffy's name in Awakening?

I like to think that he suddenly thinks of her, out of the blue, because he can feel himself lose his soul and is taken back to the night with Buffy, and therefor says her name, but I think it's more likely that she was on his mind while he was doing Cordelia.

[N.D.U.O]

I'm with you, even though I am a fierce supporter of Cangel, through and through. I have a niggling suspicion that Angel is a very sad, person/vampire who is still crazy in love with Buffy 4 years after he left her, for no sane person reason.

Sorry had to vent

[The Night Lord]

Don't worry, I've been thinking the same question. Now, imagine if that scene was actually real, not a hallucination and Cordy was Cordy and she hears Angel calling Buffy's name just after they've had sex. We know that Cordelia is already in love with Angel, so if this was the real world, imagine how pissed off Cordelia would have been to hear that. True love/soulmate or not, you just don't go calling her name when you're having sex with someone else

[jason321]

David Fury's script pretty much explicitly stated that when Angel was losing his soul it reminded him of the last time he felt that way with "Buffy..." (if you want to see it yourself you'll have to work google yourself because I dont feel like doing that now).

My original, highly cynical take was that it was Angel's fantasy to do it with Cordy and say Buffy's name to slap her in the face for the Connor thing. Yeah, I know I was supposed to get that "Buffy is the true love of his life and even on a day where his son finally accepts him and all his friends reconnect, only she can give him true happiness," but thats really fraking stupid and Joss really stunk at getting his points across in the later years.

[The Night Lord]

May 6, 2010 2:29:20 GMT -5 jason321 said:

David Fury's script pretty much explicitly stated that when Angel was losing his soul it reminded him of the last time he felt that way with Buffy

So why not have Buffy there? I get they weren't allowed to do crossovers, but wouldn't that have been better if that was the case, instead of using Cordelia like that, cuz in a way, he was simply using Cordelia. Makes their relationship in season 3 kinda pointless

[TheDancingSlayer]

^^ Yes thats a good point. But I think if Buffy took the place of Crordy, Cordelia would pretty much be useless in this episode.

[Skytteflickan88]

May 6, 2010 4:11:28 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

May 6, 2010 2:29:20 GMT -5 jason321 said:

David Fury's script pretty much explicitly stated that when Angel was losing his soul it reminded him of the last time he felt that way with Buffy

So why not have Buffy there? I get they weren't allowed to do crossovers, but wouldn't that have been better if that was the case, instead of using Cordelia like that, cuz in a way, he was simply using Cordelia. Makes their relationship in season 3 kinda pointless

That might just have meant that Angel thought about Buffy right before he lost his soul, not the entire time, thus not using Cordy. It was the soul-losing, not the sex that reminded him off Buffy.

But even if he was thinking of Buffy during, I think that Buffy coming to LA would cause Angel even more heartache, not perfect happiness, since even if he got Buffy, he would still be in love with Cordelia, which might complicate things more, so instead the spell/Angel's brain took the less complicated way to happiness, by not adding Buffy. Maybe in a larger scale dream, Buffy would have been involved, but the spell only needed the quickest way to happiness.

[Darth Rosie]

May 6, 2010 4:11:28 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

in a way, he was simply using Cordelia. Makes their relationship in season 3 kinda pointless

Their relationship in season 3 was kinda pointless anyway. It never worked for me (sorry RexyB). Cordelia and Angel had terrible chemistry.

[The Night Lord]

Idk, it worked for me *points to the text under banner*

[Darth Rosie]

May 6, 2010 5:40:58 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

Idk, it worked for me *points to the text under banner*

Good for you!

[jason321]

May 6, 2010 4:52:45 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

May 6, 2010 4:11:28 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

So why not have Buffy there? I get they weren't allowed to do crossovers, but wouldn't that have been better if that was the case, instead of using Cordelia like that, cuz in a way, he was simply using Cordelia. Makes their relationship in season 3 kinda pointless

That might just have meant that Angel thought about Buffy right before he lost his soul, not the entire time, thus not using Cordy. It was the soul-losing, not the sex that reminded him off Buffy.

Yes, this is exactly what it read like. And yes, if he really wanted to do the deed with Buffy then it wouldnt be unrealistic for Buffy to show up in LA after it rained fire and the sun got blotted out.

This is one of those things where we can rattle our brains looking for a reasonable explanation for the rest of our lives. The truth is Joss wanted Buffy's name thrown in there to show thats she is the love of Angel's life and only she can bring him true happiness even tho it made no real sense in terms of Angel's character development or the context of his show. It will never be reasonable, so give up.

[redapple31]

The whole Angel and Cordelia thing was just wrong. Cordelia was one of my favorite Angel characters up until season 3 and then they changed her she just wasn't the same. I did like the relationship Angel and Cordelia had before they suddenly decided they where in love with each other. They where best friends almost like brother and sister at least in my opinion.

[The Night Lord]

May 12, 2010 20:44:45 GMT -5 redapple31 said:

They where best friends almost like brother and sister at least in my opinion.

A couple who are connected via the PTB, know each other really well, make each other smile and shared parental roles together, as well as state that they love one another...yeah, I can see how that brother/sister angle works

[shenea717]

According to the writer of the episode, David Fury, Angel said Buffy's name simply as a memory of the last time he lost his soul. He said it had nothing to do with him wishing he was with Buffy. And for the record, I do believe Angel could have had "perfect happiness"with Cordelia if given he chance. What people had never taken into consideration is that when Angel was with Buffy he had nothing but her. He wasn't a champion then, he had no mission. According to David Greenwalt, Buffy was Angel's first love, and that's where it remains. But when he was with Cordy, he had a son, he had a mission, and he was the "world's champion." So acheving perfect happiness was a bit more complicated. But I do believe Cordy is his true love/ soulmate.

[N.D.U.O]

I don't think Cordy would have given Angel perfect happiness... I think perfect happiness is over-rated. Who needs one moment of perfect happiness when your love isn't strong enough to keep all the other moments happy.

I like the idea of perfect-happiness for Bangel because to me it illustrates their relationship. It's the perfect adorable idea that teenage girls (including me) dream of having. But in reality for a relationship to be good and last, the perfect moments don't matter as much as the trust and the support one can give for the other.

And the funniest thing about Cordy not giving Angel pefect happiness is that in that flaw that makes their relationship look less significant is something that will make Cangel last longer than Bangel. Because Cangel is less fantastic than Bangel, it will last longer becasue the curse doesn't come into effect.

[Randi Giles]

I always just thought it was another lame attempt to remind us of his love for Buffy. I know it had to do with the memory and all, but it wasn't really necessary to have him say her name. Angels been around for a while now. Dream fantasy or not. He should know not to say another woman name in bed if she's not there with you. It doesn't matter what kind of pain he's going through.