outofphase
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Post by outofphase on Aug 24, 2010 23:07:55 GMT -5
This makes me wonder if Dawn strikes you as souless, leyki. :/
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leyki
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Post by leyki on Aug 25, 2010 1:54:58 GMT -5
What to you mean?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 25, 2010 22:49:15 GMT -5
The one that was possessed by a demon. There was a family in that episode with a little girl and a boy, the boy was the possessed one, don't remember the episode's name, back in season 1, i think. Oh, okay. I always just thought he was a sociopath or something like that. He could be. Maybe he had a soul. A non-functioning one. Season 5 ends with Buffy's sacrifice of her life. This is the emotional high water mark of the whole series, in my view (though if you put some other incident, like Buffy killing Angel, up even higher, I won't try to change your mind). Unless you think Buffy was a damned fool who died for a sentimental twitch or a silly mistake or for nothing, then you have to believe that Dawn was worthy of what Buffy did for her, and that Buffy's bottomless love for her was natural and legitimate. Dawn must be fully human in every sense. Of course she has a soul. We must begin with that as a given, and reason from it, not toward it . Would you care to elaborate? I don't understand what Buffy's love to Dawn has to do with Dawn having a soul or not. |
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outofphase
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Post by outofphase on Aug 26, 2010 20:37:30 GMT -5
Well it just seems to me like you wouldn't ask if she had a soul unless you thought she was souless. Which makes me wonder what would make you think that... like if certain scenes or characteristics she has strike you as souless. *shrug* |
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Sept 6, 2010 17:40:45 GMT -5
About Buffy's love for Dawn and the soul ... I lost track of this thread for a few days ...
Having no soul would seem to imply that Dawn was less than a full person. At the least, having a soul seems to mean that you have a full set of natural feelings, including empathy for other people. If you don't have a soul then you "can't feel anything real" and "don't know what love is" as Buffy says to Spike while she's beating him up. Her blows must be causing him pain, but what does that matter? He has no soul, therefore he doesn't feel real pain, his "feelings" are fake and deserve no respect. Could she love him? Is that a serious question? Now after he gets a soul, it's a different question.
That's not the way she feels about Dawn. Buffy thinks Dawn has a soul. She "feels with" Dawn so deeply that she cares for Dawn's feelings than for her own.
BTW: this reflects the minimum meaning of the word "soul" in the Buffyverse, as I understand it. In some places, and more and more as the show progresses, a "soul" seems to mean the essence of a person's individuality and the vehicle of his/her mentality. Angelus can have memories that Angel does not.
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