Suppose a Slayer Became a Vampire?

[midwesternwatcher]

The idea that a slayer might become a vampire has occurred to all of us. It's the subject of at least one comic book story, at least one Buffy novel, and countless fanfics. Even in the TV series, there are several allusions to this possibility. In Orpheus, for instance, when Angelus is about to bite Faith, he clearly says that he intends to turn her.

In another thread, one of our members said she had never read a good story where Buffy became a vampire. There is a novel-length fanfic called "The Secret Slayer" that I'm fond of where that happens, but I follow.

For some reason, it's hard to make a good story on this idea. I'm not sure why! What is wrong with this notion, that makes it an untellable story? Any suggestions?

[Scarygothgirl]

I heard somewhere that it was the original idea for Sunday, to be a vamped slayer, but they later scrapped the idea.

Maybe it's difficult to do because they would either change completely (in the way of Liam to Angelus) at which point they would be less recognisable as a character and the fanfiction is seen as inaccurate. Or they would change very little (William the bloody when he was first turned) at which point the would probably still be driven by the urge to kill vampires and demons and that just wouldn't work out.

[midwesternwatcher]

In that comic book story, I'll have to go find it, a Japanese slayer was turned about 300 years ago. As far as I can remember, she was just an ordinary vampire, except that she had the memory of being a slayer.

In Yvonne Navarro's book "Tempted Champions," we have a 500 year old slayer-vampire from Greece who apparently kills both humans (nature of vampire) and vampires (nature of slayer). This slayer apparently chose to become a vampire, because "it wasn't fair." That might be the most interesting case.

I wouldn't say it "just wouldn't work out." Logically it seemed OK. But I still didn't feel it made a good story.

[Silver]

The only way it would work is when all the potentials became slayers in the last of Season 7. There would be plenty of scope to turn them into a vamp, but I can't see it being a great story.

[joxerlives]

What would a vamped Slayer look like?
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It was one of the story ideas for season 5, Buffy would be seduced by the darkside and allow herself to be sired by Dracula or Drusilla. She would then form her own group of undead anti-Scoobies and the rest of the gang would get Faith released from prison to lead them against her. But vampBuffy wouldn't be entirely evil, she'd be caught between 2 worlds like Lawson in 'Why we fight?'. Eventually she'd bite Dawn and be magically restored to normal by the taste of The Key's magic blood (in all fanfic in this theme something like that happens).

Shame they didn't run with this idea although it might have been too confusing for casual viewers and maybe they couldn't get ED? You can see hints of it in season 5 of Buffy and season 4 of Angel (Faith relelased to hunt Angelus)

[midwesternwatcher]

Wow, thanks for that image! I saved it. For some reason when I opened it, though, Live Jasmin opened in a popup. Of course I modestly closed that window as fast as I could. If you don't know what Live Jasmin is, good.

Where did you hear about that season 5 idea, oh thou of only 276 postings, not much more than me? And it sounds like you've read a lot of fanfic.

I mentioned "Secret Slayer." In that story, Buffy gets vamped in a fight with Luke before the story even begins, and remains a vampire throughout. She never kills a human, appears entirely good-hearted, and even has a "slayer mode" where she actually has a heartbeat. Imagine that!

"Secret Slayer" is a spuffy wish-fulfillment piece. Buffy being a vampire removes all obstacles to the Spike-Buffy coupling, so they couple infinitely.

In that story, the fact that slayer-vamps are rare has two explanations. First, vampires have no incentive to sire slayers. The vamped slayer is worse (from their pov) than the live kind. Second, the vamped slayer has an unstable personality and usually doesn't last long.

Say, has anyone other than me read Tempted Champions? What do people think?

[joxerlives]

Sept 25, 2010 22:08:37 GMT -5 midwesternwatcher said:

Where did you hear about that season 5 idea, oh thou of only 276 postings, not much more than me? And it sounds like you've read a lot of fanfic.
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WAY TOO MUCH!

The season 5 idea was something I heard about on The Bronze, Hellmouth Central and the SFX forum. But there were a stack of rumours about season 5 (for instance AI, Oz and Riley turning up to fight the final battle with Glory). Again you can see hints of it in the later seasons of Buffy and Angel

[midwesternwatcher]

Can you recommend some good fanfic? I'm fond of "Dark Before Dawn" by wyndgyrl.

[joxerlives]

Sept 27, 2010 17:22:56 GMT -5 midwesternwatcher said:

Can you recommend some good fanfic? I'm fond of "Dark Before Dawn" by wyndgyrl.

1. How old are you?

2. What are you into?

[Josh]

Yeah, Sunday was originally supposed to be conceived as a Slayer turned into a Vampire and honestly, that's what i view her as now. I just view it as information that we aren't told on screen because she clearly overpowers Buffy for most of the episode, something that most vamps can't do.

[joxerlives]

Oct 5, 2010 9:44:51 GMT -5 Josh said:

Yeah, Sunday was originally supposed to be conceived as a Slayer turned into a Vampire and honestly, that's what i view her as now. I just view it as information that we aren't told on screen because she clearly overpowers Buffy for most of the episode, something that most vamps can't do.

Yeah but Buffy was off her game, Kathy was sucking her soul

[Josh]

Oct 5, 2010 15:59:21 GMT -5 joxerlives said:

Oct 5, 2010 9:44:51 GMT -5 Josh said:

Yeah, Sunday was originally supposed to be conceived as a Slayer turned into a Vampire and honestly, that's what i view her as now. I just view it as information that we aren't told on screen because she clearly overpowers Buffy for most of the episode, something that most vamps can't do.

Yeah but Buffy was off her game, Kathy was sucking her soul

Really? I didn't think that started until "Living Conditions" considering that was when Buffy first had her dreams and first started having issues with Kathy/Acting bizerk.

[midwesternwatcher]

I had the same impression. I figured Buffy just had a bad night. She was just starting college, everything seems to go wrong then.

Funny though, if you ask somebody over 40 if there is one moment in their life they'd like to go back to, it's always that first day of college.

[joxerlives]

Oct 5, 2010 22:35:13 GMT -5 midwesternwatcher said:

I had the same impression. I figured Buffy just had a bad night. She was just starting college, everything seems to go wrong then.

Funny though, if you ask somebody over 40 if there is one moment in their life they'd like to go back to, it's always that first day of college.

I'd always thought it was right from the beginning, it only got more advanced later

[midwesternwatcher]

You mean Kathy stealing Buffy's soul? If so, we as the audience didn't know it at the time Buffy was fighting Sunday.

[The Night Lord]

The whole Slayer becoming a Vampire thing being unbelievable in some ways is that sometimes (this usually happens to Buffy), she is still good, despite not having a soul and being all evil. I guess one could argue that's like Spike, but he had chip and being a violent that he is, got his kicks from whaling on his own kind and other demons. I actually haven't read very many Buffy-gets-vamped stories, except for one, where she also turns Xander and Willow. And the only survivors are Angel, Spike and Doyle...that one was interesting and a little creepy

[joxerlives]

Oct 7, 2010 8:09:37 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

The whole Slayer becoming a Vampire thing being unbelievable in some ways is that sometimes (this usually happens to Buffy), she is still good, despite not having a soul and being all evil. I guess one could argue that's like Spike, but he had chip and being a violent that he is, got his kicks from whaling on his own kind and other demons. I actually haven't read very many Buffy-gets-vamped stories, except for one, where she also turns Xander and Willow. And the only survivors are Angel, Spike and Doyle...that one was interesting and a little creepy

But we still have host of other characters to construct new versions of AI/Scoobygang, some of whom died in the canon sweries. There really is no darkfic you can't have a happy ending for

[Miss. Rogueh]

I don't think a vampire could change a Slayer, it seemed to me that their blood was so intoxicating that the vampire couldn't help but drink it all. However if a Slayer could be turned that would be one majorly bad pissed off chick. She was already part demon (the slayer powers came from demons originaly) I would not want to get in the way of that

[midwesternwatcher]

As I remember, Buffy was tasted, on the television show, by three different vampires, the Master, Angel, and Dracula. None of them felt compelled to drain the last drop. The scene where Spike kills Nikki Woods is short. If he drained her completely, he was mighty quick about it. A person has to lose about five pints of blood before s/he dies, although this fact seems to be glossed over in the Buffyverse.

Remember in Graduation Day II, when Angel drinks Buffy's blood? Giles asks him, "will she become a vampire?" Giles thinks that is possible. There must be a precedent for it, though we never hear of it.

[Miss. Rogueh]

Perhaps the problem with the notion is implying that the slayer lost, and although yes every slayer loses at some point and thats how the torch is passed, perhaps imagining a slayer that we have all come to love becoming the very thing she fought against is just wrong... I am sure this can be achived with the right writer and plot progression