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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 19, 2010 12:14:47 GMT -5
^^ I'm sure Joss would have made it work. Sounds extremely interesting. I was first appaled with the idea of Buffy being turned, but I don't know, it would be interesting. Of course, if she started to brood about her being a vampire too much (and what fun would a all evil main lead be?), we would have Angel 2.0, and that would have been dull. Doesn't really work for two main leads in a row. It was one of the story ideas for season 5, Buffy would be seduced by the darkside and allow herself to be sired by Dracula or Drusilla. I have a vauge memory of someone repeating a similar rumour, but that it was Spike who turned Buffy (I doubt willingly, maybe at the end of The Gift, I would guess), and season 6 was about Buffy dealing with that. Would have been a interesting twist on the Spuffy relationship. |
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 19, 2010 20:14:14 GMT -5
I have vol 2 of Tales of the Slayers, haven't read all the stories I must confess. Could you fill me in, which story it is? There's a comic book story about it I know.
I had one thought, maybe it doesn't explain why this slayer-turns-vampire story is hard to write, but it may help to explain why the TV show never used that story line.
We already have a slayer, Faith, who "goes over to the dark side." Her story is more interesting than the slayer-vamp story is likely to be (anybody disagree?), and it's been done, that itch has been scratched.
Maybe I'll start a thread about Faith. I notice in S8 she's still not fully accepted. What would it take for her to be truly a part of the slayer sorority?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 20, 2010 4:37:54 GMT -5
True, the good slayer goes bad has already been done. But I think Buffy being vamp could still be a more interesting storyline, but why go down that road if the road's already been walked? Could be why it wasn't used. Although, kind of doubt the writers thought of it that way. I mean, we got the vampire dealing with having a soul bit twice, so I don't think they would have been that much against making another slayer bad.
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Post by Secret Scoobie on Oct 21, 2010 7:11:17 GMT -5
I haven't encountered these slayers turned vampire stories? That book sounds good Raz, did you like it?
I have to go re-read my Tales of... comics cos I've obviously forgotten stuff.
Edit: OH wait, do you mean the Tale of the slayer BOOKS, oh that would be why cos I haven't read that.
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Post by Josh on Oct 21, 2010 11:12:24 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of Buffy being turned into a vampire and I'm glad it was never done. IMO it would completely change the overall feel and meaning of the story.
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Post by Josh on Oct 21, 2010 19:31:05 GMT -5
Josh, it was done. Or at least kind of. In Nightmares Buffy is all vamped up. Yessssssssss Jessikins, there is definitely a story in one of the four volumes about a slayer becoming a vampire. They are good reads actually and most of the stories are by former staff like, Jane Epsenson, Scott Allie and many more. Well yeah I'm aware of that one, but that one wasn't a legit vampire turning. It was the result of crazy supernatural stuff. I was more talking of her actually being sired and continuing the rest of the story as a vampire. |
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Post by wenxina on Oct 21, 2010 19:50:00 GMT -5
I'm sure there is another story in a book about a vampire slayer!! I haven't got them in this house so I can't really tell. Silent Screams Author: Mel Odom Collected in: Vol. I Setting: Germany, 1923 Herr Lichtermann is the Watcher of the new official Slayer, Britta. He trains her but never once encounters a vampire or demon. One night, the Slayer and Watcher attend a screening of a new movie, only to find out that the creators are vampires who plan to kill their audience. Herr Lichtermann runs away, leaving Britta to die alone, breaking his promise to her. But Lichtermann is captured and put into a cell with the newly vamped Britta who wants nothing more than to kill the Watcher that betrayed her. There is a novel, Tempted Champions, in which a Slayer chooses to become a vampire. Pretty mightily smacks Buffy around too. Whoops, spoiler alert, but hey, presenting any title in this thread would technically constitute spoiling the premise anyway... |
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Oct 26, 2010 15:29:52 GMT -5
The only Slay turned Vamp stories I have read were very graphicly sexual... i did not care for them...
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Post by VampSlayer on Oct 26, 2010 16:28:50 GMT -5
I think itd be interesting if Buffy became a vampire. Might not be the usual plot we get, but it could have potential, I think. I mean, it was her worst fear nightmare, right? How would she cope?
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 27, 2010 3:39:53 GMT -5
The only Slay turned Vamp stories I have read were very graphicly sexual... i did not care for them... I actually rather like them for just that reason!   It's part of the allure of the whole vamp mythology that becoming a vamp is sexually liberating, all those prim and proper Victorian heroines transformed into sexual predators. Or vampWillow? In the better stories I've read not only does becoming a vamp turn Buffy/Faith into an insatiable nympho but they're also caught between being a Slayer and being a vamp, not quite as evil as other vampires much like Lawson in 'Why we fight'. My favourite story in the genre has Dru seducing Buffy who then allows her to sire her. They tear up the town much as Darla and Dru did in Reunion but although they bite and bed everyone in sight they find that neither can bring themselves to kill anyone, vampBuffy is still the Slayer and by sucking so much of Buffy's blood Dru has inherited her Slayer instincts. In the end they both decide to get resouled/turned human again. |
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 27, 2010 7:17:48 GMT -5
I have a question for wenxina. You mentioned Tempted Champions, which I recently read. Now I was looking forward to reading it, because I like Yvonne Navarro's stuff. But this one, it didn't do much for me, and I can't put my finger on why.
A few things about it seemed contrived and artificial. The reasons Buffy gives for declining Angel's offer to help before the climactic battle don't convince me. And I'm not sure exactly how Buffy detects the falsehood in Cassia's pitch or even just what the falsehood is. Maybe that's supposed to be the charm, that Cassia's argument is almost true.
But when it comes down to it, I didn't like the story. And I don't know why.
What did you think of it?
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Post by wenxina on Oct 27, 2010 7:45:41 GMT -5
Been a looong time since I read Tempted Champions. I don't remember being too impressed by it. In fact, there are few of those books that actually impressed my 15-year old self a decade ago. Yvonne Navarro's works never did it for me. I found all her stuff to be utter tosh for the most part. As for this book, I don't even remember what that major plot points were, other than the Slayer chose to be a vampire, and that she was well-trained in a form of Malaysian martial arts (penchak silat), and I think there may have been a mention of a Malaysian analogue of a vampire/succubus (the pontianak). These things stuck out, because well, I'm Malaysian.  |
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Oct 27, 2010 9:25:50 GMT -5
The only Slay turned Vamp stories I have read were very graphicly sexual... i did not care for them... I actually rather like them for just that reason! i enjoy a well written rape scene as much as anyone but after the third one in a row i have to ask, whats the point... and the whole point just seemed kind of perverted... im sorry but if your story is nothing but rape scenes... it isn't a story, its a porno... a badly written porno... |
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 27, 2010 10:09:30 GMT -5
I actually rather like them for just that reason! i enjoy a well written rape scene as much as anyone but after the third one in a row i have to ask, whats the point... and the whole point just seemed kind of perverted... im sorry but if your story is nothing but rape scenes... it isn't a story, its a porno... a badly written porno...  1. I DON'T enjoy a 'well written rape scene', although not a prude, people want to dress up and play the Duchess and the Highwayman that's fine, each to their own. 2. A story can be 'graphically sexual' without being rape, certainly the one I'm talking about is, Buffy gives herself willingly to Drusilla 3. I didn't write them, never had the nerve to write fanfic in case people didn't like them  |
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Oct 27, 2010 10:31:28 GMT -5
i enjoy a well written rape scene as much as anyone but after the third one in a row i have to ask, whats the point... and the whole point just seemed kind of perverted... im sorry but if your story is nothing but rape scenes... it isn't a story, its a porno... a badly written porno... 1. I DON'T enjoy a 'well written rape scene', although not a prude, people want to dress up and play the Duchess and the Highwayman that's fine, each to their own. 2. A story can be 'graphically sexual' without being rape, certainly the one I'm talking about is, Buffy gives herself willingly to Drusilla 3. I didn't write them, never had the nerve to write fanfic in case people didn't like them Maybe enjoy was the wrong word... however you have to admit if the scene is done properly (tastefuly) it adds another level to the story. However when it is just rape after rape after rape, it is no longer a story, but a plot line for a bad porno. I was only stating that the Slayer turned vamp stories that I have read were made up of JUST rape scenes... I never ment to upset you or imply that you wrote them and thus you were perverted... |
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 27, 2010 10:55:21 GMT -5
1. I DON'T enjoy a 'well written rape scene', although not a prude, people want to dress up and play the Duchess and the Highwayman that's fine, each to their own. 2. A story can be 'graphically sexual' without being rape, certainly the one I'm talking about is, Buffy gives herself willingly to Drusilla 3. I didn't write them, never had the nerve to write fanfic in case people didn't like them Maybe enjoy was the wrong word... however you have to admit if the scene is done properly (tastefuly) it adds another level to the story. However when it is just rape after rape after rape, it is no longer a story, but a plot line for a bad porno. I was only stating that the Slayer turned vamp stories that I have read were made up of JUST rape scenes... I never ment to upset you or imply that you wrote them and thus you were perverted... Trust me, I'm as perverted as the next girl ;D or even more so if you're a homophobe. No judgement intended.  I have a straight friend who considers herself an ardent feminist yet still fantasises about being the Keira Knightly character in Pirates of the Carribean, tied to the mast and ravished by Johnny Depp and his pirate crew  I'm seriously thinking of launching a thread 'Rape in the Buffyverse' (if the mods let me) as it seems to be the elephant in the room no one talks about but is simply dying to! |
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 27, 2010 11:14:21 GMT -5
Well there is already a few threads dedicated to the rape of Buffyverse characters, like the current one about Xander and Buffy and we've had the Buffy and Spike thread. I don't see why we'd need a collective rape thread, when we'd all agree it isn't cool.... Really? People still seek to excuse Spike.... |
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Post by drgreenevil on Dec 10, 2010 1:44:13 GMT -5
I've always wondered what would happen if a slayer was turned into a vampire.
When a regular person is turned, the demon dramatically ups their strength, senses, etc.
But what would happen if the person (a slayer) already had dramatically upped strength, senses, etc, before they were turned?
Would we have a vampire with herculean strength? Some almost invincibility?
That would make a very interesting story actually. Buffy having to fight a previous slayer now vampire who has basically become She-Hulk.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Dec 10, 2010 10:26:46 GMT -5
In "Tempted Champions," we have a Slayer who actually chooses to become a vampire.
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Post by usagianddarien on Dec 10, 2010 13:02:09 GMT -5
^^ was that the Tales of the slayer story i read a story in one of those books were a slayer becomes a vampire i just couldn't remember tha name if it.
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