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Post by hitnrun017 on Dec 6, 2007 15:18:18 GMT -5
One question. Giles' conversation with Willow. He wanted her help. What did she do? They never said, did they? Did she give him the idea to get Roden from the inside? I think she took down the barrier around GiGi's estate. Giles said something about deactivating. I loved this issue. Season 8 just keeps getting better and better. This whole Twilight thing has gotten me very excited and I can't wait to see where the rest of the storyline goes. So there is an inside man, hmm... my money is on Andrew. Faith was great this issue! I also kind of felt bad for GiGi. For the last 3 issues I just thought of her as a crazy bitch but her ending was depressing, Faith wanted to help. It was great to see a little Ripper action and Roden's death was very cool. I love what Giles and Faith are planning to do and it seems like they will be gone for a little while. Hopefully we'll see them again very soon. Poor Buffy. Bring on Anywhere But Here! This is the issue I've been looking forward to most! About the Fray thing, I'm really hoping there wont be a death of big-main character. I hope that hand will be pulled right back out. I just wouldn't see the point of ending a tv series, and then bringing it back in comic form only to kill one of the main characters, I don't think that would seem right. And anyways, there's still Season 9.
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Post by Bennyboi on Dec 6, 2007 15:24:23 GMT -5
I reckon that the inside 'man' is Simone, the pink punk slayer!!! I am glad the series is steaming ahead, and loved this issue so much. The ending with Giles and Faith and then Twilight and Lt. whats her face, reminded me so much of watching the show!!! Best issue by far.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 6, 2007 18:21:16 GMT -5
I don't think it is Willow sacrificing herself in the future! It better not be! I think it's either a random slayer, or Dawn. As she does have mystical origins.
I think the inside "man" is Satsu. It would make sense story wise as she is the one who has been getting the spotlight. And she loves Buffy. Wouldn't it be poignant if she is seen by Twilight to have failed her mission as she has fallen in love with Buffy? I would find that ironic. Also, if they go with this...she could try to redeem herself last minute by telling Buffy Twilight's plan. Only to get axed in the end. I see this happening.
Why else feature her so much? We already had many new slayers such as Rona, Vi, etc. They could have used one of them. But no, Joss created someone new. I find it interesting.
If it turns out to be Xander, I'll probably cry. The dynamic between Buffy, Willow, and Xander is so powerful. It would be plain stupid to mess it up just for the sake of doing it. If it's Giles, I will be sad but it won't be the worst. If the relationship between BWX is messed up I will be really upset. They've been friends for too long, and gone through so much together to have it all go away now for the sake of power, greed or other trivial things that wouldn't matter in reality of the story.
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Post by nabikineum on Dec 6, 2007 18:31:27 GMT -5
Hi, my shiny virgin post here! Probably should have introed myself somewhere, but I just read this comic and wanted to run right to the discussion.
I felt so bad for Buffy-- and disappointed in Giles. It dimmed my 'Woot! Giles-Faith team-up with the social work!' He played it off like Buffy cut him off when it was him this time right from the beginning. He had NO WAY of knowing that Faith hadn't 'gone native' and joined with Gigi to smite Buffy. He just cut Buffy off with a 'I don't want you involved.' Cold
Which is part of why I have a love/hate with BTVS since forever. Last issue I was like "BUFFY! Come ON!" although I could see it from her side. Whomp, transported into an assassination attempt and Faith jumps in to save Buffy's assailant. This is bound to cause backlash feelings. But now... whoa, backlash- turn around-sympathy.
I love the Jossverse.
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Post by postitnote on Dec 6, 2007 19:28:25 GMT -5
I like your theory on Satsu being the inside man; that would make for a good storyline, and I want to see how that whole 'kiss/love' thing plays out. In particular, I want to see Willow's reaction to the whole thing.
I, too, am most excited about Anywhere but Here. I can't wait to see what Joss has in store for us! I'm a hardcore B/W shipper, so I can't wait to see all the fanfic and observations that stem from that issue.
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Post by projecknemesis on Dec 6, 2007 22:05:25 GMT -5
after reading this issue, i am really hoping and praying Brian comes back to do more for Season8. that would at least help dull the pain of him leaving Runaways behind. anyways, upon finishing the issue i am soooo very excited for more now. the first arc of S8 left me unsatisfied, i was under the impression the military was going to be the big bad and that would of been meh. but this Twilight fellow is quite intriguing and Buffy and company are in serious trouble.
as far as how Buffy's story plays out, no more magic etc. i dont think that is going to happen for quite some time. however i do agree that knowing what we know from Fray takes a bit away from the suspense of how it will end for Buffy and friends but that doesnt mean we cant enjoy the ride. with talk of 50+ issues for S8 and a possible S9, we have quite a ways to go.
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Post by Melissa on Dec 7, 2007 0:53:52 GMT -5
I'm tired and I don't have the comic in my hands at the moment, but didn't the new Big Bad say that he wants an end to magic (which I didn't really get, since he's all comfy floating around and all)? Ooooh Willow, you're gonna have to kick some major ass! You're correct. It seems that is the motive for Twilight. This is what is making me mad, in a way. From reading Fray, we know that eventually that Buffy "loses" this battle. And in the end, all magic and demons are banished for a century. And then Fray is called. I'm not saying that the gang dies, or that anyone dies really. I just mean that with the piece of the story we have now, and what we know of Twilight's plan...it must succeed in order for Fray to happen in continuity. Joss and co. have stated many times that Fray and it's events are canon. It puts a damper on my reading, that I have this feeling of impending doom and no matter what they do to prevent it, the age of magic/demons will end (for a time). But...in thinking about it in more depth, if this does happen and Joss doesn't kill anyone: 1) Willow, Buffy and the rest of the slayers could simply be stripped of her powers. It's not like they were born with them. Moreover, it was something they received. 2) It doesn't look good for our ensouled vampires! 3) Nor Dawn. She comes from a mystical birth...as the Key I think she might not escape if the banishing happens. OMG! Maybe that is Dawn's hand that we see in the portal!! Yikes!! In a world without demons and magic, it begs the question: "Yeah Buffy, what are YOU gonna do now?" Hehe I'm lost! Does it state in the comic that there is an inside man? And what portal are you talking about Cowboy Guy? I have no idea whats going on. Its so much harder following comics than a tv show.
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Post by Bennyboi on Dec 7, 2007 2:27:24 GMT -5
Sommething that also makes this issue the best so far in my opinion, is that the artwork by georges jeanty. He was at his absolute best inn this issue, the pary when roden gives the book to faith, eliza dushku appeared on that page for me. Also i loved that the artwork took over more of the page and not as many white areas were shown, this helped me remember the show a lot easier.
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Post by Bennyboi on Dec 7, 2007 2:30:17 GMT -5
I think I'd love the theory that series 8 ends with all the slayers losing their powers and all magics being banished. Then the ramifications of this would be dealt with in season 9, but would there be a point in season 9? I could just see the drama happeing on the show in my head. Buffy battered and bruised on the ground without any powers and all the slayers fall behid her, what a cliffhanger...
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Post by dane5by5 on Dec 7, 2007 4:11:00 GMT -5
Wow. What a great issue. I really loved this arc, even more than "The Long Way Home". The ending to this issue was perfect, imagine the possibilities if the Ripper movie goes ahead. Giles & Faith. I would love that so much. They both have such rich unexplored history. I don't want it to be the last of them we see in the comics (I want a Giles & Faith spinoff!!!), and I don't want them to stop kicking ass. I was sad that Willow & Roden didn't have a magic showdown, but it makes sense that it was Watcher Vs. Watcher. Slayer Vs. Slayer. I'm really curious as to why Giles didn't want Buffy involved. Is there still tension from the end of season seven? I thought they moved beyond that. Maybe he was trying to "protect" her from that.
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Post by dane5by5 on Dec 7, 2007 4:43:35 GMT -5
You're correct. It seems that is the motive for Twilight. This is what is making me mad, in a way. From reading Fray, we know that eventually that Buffy "loses" this battle. And in the end, all magic and demons are banished for a century. And then Fray is called. I'm not saying that the gang dies, or that anyone dies really. I just mean that with the piece of the story we have now, and what we know of Twilight's plan...it must succeed in order for Fray to happen in continuity. Joss and co. have stated many times that Fray and it's events are canon. It puts a damper on my reading, that I have this feeling of impending doom and no matter what they do to prevent it, the age of magic/demons will end (for a time). But...in thinking about it in more depth, if this does happen and Joss doesn't kill anyone: 1) Willow, Buffy and the rest of the slayers could simply be stripped of her powers. It's not like they were born with them. Moreover, it was something they received. 2) It doesn't look good for our ensouled vampires! 3) Nor Dawn. She comes from a mystical birth...as the Key I think she might not escape if the banishing happens. OMG! Maybe that is Dawn's hand that we see in the portal!! Yikes!! In a world without demons and magic, it begs the question: "Yeah Buffy, what are YOU gonna do now?" Hehe I'm lost! Does it state in the comic that there is an inside man? And what portal are you talking about Cowboy Guy? I have no idea whats going on. Its so much harder following comics than a tv show. It does in the latest issue, someone working with/for Twilight says that the "inside man" told them Buffy wasn't dead. That Gigi and Roden failed. The portal that is being referenced is the portal from the Fray comic series.
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Post by dane5by5 on Dec 7, 2007 8:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by dane5by5 on Dec 7, 2007 8:57:42 GMT -5
After rereading that part of Fray, I doubt season eight is Buffy's swansong. Although that hand could be Willows, as magic is an essential part of her now and with the banishing of magics I don't see how else it could go down.
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Post by dane5by5 on Dec 7, 2007 9:00:54 GMT -5
Back on topic, does anyone know what Genevieve meant when she said to Faith "Yeah. But it's like the song goes..."? I really don't understand that.
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Post by postitnote on Dec 7, 2007 11:02:59 GMT -5
It could be Dawn or Willow's hand. They're both essentially magic, even if Dawn was pointed out that she's human now. Her origins lie in magic, though. She was created by magic...that's not something that's forgotten.
I need to go back and reread all of Fray again. I just don't want to open my comics (since they're signed by Joss et al, and it's the gold variation #1). Maybe I'll invest in the TPBs soon. I love how it's like Fray is being fit more into the canon b/c of S8.
I wasn't sure about 'the song,' either. I just chalked it up that it was a pop culture reference I didn't get for once.
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Post by airgirl on Dec 7, 2007 12:29:29 GMT -5
if Satsu is the 'inside man' why would she give buffy the kiss of true love, which broke Amy's spell and allowed Buffy to go kick ass with the military 'twilight' guys. it just doesn't make sense to me....am i missing something???
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Post by Bennyboi on Dec 7, 2007 12:36:14 GMT -5
I think the song part was just that Genevieve was going to compare what happened to her to a song, but she died before she had the time to talk.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Dec 7, 2007 15:02:31 GMT -5
Just a quick question. On the page when Faith hits Roden with the Twilight book, is the text faded on anybody else's? It's so faded that it's almost impossible to read!
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Post by Bennyboi on Dec 7, 2007 15:44:24 GMT -5
Sorry no, mine hasn't got that error on it. Also, I'm just here now to stress how much I hate the stupid BTVS logo on the last panel of the arc. It would look much more effective if it were just a black box, like fade to black. It bugged me so much when I realised they hadn't gotten rid of it in the Long way home TPB.
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Post by sagewoman on Dec 7, 2007 22:15:02 GMT -5
Re: the inside man. I'm thinking Andrew. Here's why: In the first issue, Buffy references the Buffy Slayer lookalike in Rome was Andrew's idea and that he thought it would be funny - She doesn't know about Spike and Angel rushing off to Rome to "save" Buffy from the Immortal. Giles trained Andrew and Giles refused to help Angel because he was with WR&H. I don't think Buffy knew about the Rogue Slayer Dana - that this was handled by Andrew working with Giles. If Buffy knew about how they both treated Angel - she would be really ticked. Andrew is easily persuaded by those with power and could very easily have come under the influence of Twilight. Even though Giles and Buffy are not on the best of terms, I do not believe that he would ever go against her in this manner.
I have a question about the print quality of this issue - I looked a t a few copies and everyone of them had smudgy/light print in the panel where Roden is talking about the guidebook - are the ones in the US or elswhere the same?
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