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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 5, 2008 20:43:17 GMT -5
I dont think it will be that big a deal. Joss has made it clear that almost all of his characters are open minded. Given the chance, i'm pretty sure that Xander would have sex with a guy. im sure xander and dracula did some dirty things in their time together... i hope we find out during this arc. also, Joss has implied in the past that Spike and Angel got together at some point in their past...
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Post by kershmuckit on Mar 5, 2008 20:55:52 GMT -5
go mikey!
LOL
buffy x satsu
yeeaaah.
*pisses everyone off*
Oh well. I always wanted this so *shrugs* go minority!
I do understand your concerns though..., listen, buffy isn't gay. She's just going through some human stuff that happens to involve women..., i really don;t think this is going to end with satsu and buffy skipping off into the sunset together..., dont wig too much guys. This is different i know..., but it doesn;t change who buffy is.
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 20:58:29 GMT -5
Joss doesn't have to cater to people's insecurities. If you have a problem with bisexuality and people experimenting and being open minded, then that says a lot more about you than it does about anything else. Joss knows what he's doing, and in my opinion the characters are completely true to themselves. I don't have a problem with bisexuality at all--I do, however, have a problem with Buffy knowingly using/hooking up with/leading on/sleeping with someone whom she knows to be in love with her, AGAIN. Vagina, penis, it's all the same--we've seen this before with Spike, and that made a hell of a lot more sense. At this point, I don't think I know enough about Satsu to genuinely sympathize with her point of view, her motivations, or anything else, really. Character development for Renee and Satsu has been really thin, so far. Similar to Kennedy and all the other potentials in Season 7. "Batsu" seems forced and contrived--and I'd say the same thing if Buffster was suddenly hooking up with some random new dude, too.
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 5, 2008 21:02:02 GMT -5
I dont think it will be that big a deal. Joss has made it clear that almost all of his characters are open minded. Given the chance, i'm pretty sure that Xander would have sex with a guy. im sure xander and dracula did some dirty things in their time together... i hope we find out during this arc. also, Joss has implied in the past that Spike and Angel got together at some point in their past... Joss also stated once before that Giles and Ethan may have had a sexual history between them. So, Buffy...........welcome to the club.
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 21:02:45 GMT -5
On an unrelated note--what do we make of these new vamps, anyway? ;-)
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 5, 2008 21:06:23 GMT -5
On an unrelated note--what do we make of these new vamps, anyway? ;-) They look pretty damn cool.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 5, 2008 21:08:41 GMT -5
On an unrelated note--what do we make of these new vamps, anyway? ;-) Haha! How can we discuss them when something as big as Buffy and Satsu sleeping together happened?! But I'm really interested to learn more about them. There really isn't anything to say about them yet, they were hardly in it. I'm thinking they are going to try to reverse the spell that made the Potentials into Slayers, or at least that seems like the most obvious idea.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 5, 2008 21:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by Emmie on Mar 5, 2008 21:19:46 GMT -5
the new vamps are cool, they're organized and yay magic transmogrification. i'm excited for when they go to tokyo
plus how hilarious was that scene with buffy, new vampy and the scythe
b: "but i REALLY don't like it when people touch my stuff."
vamp points at scythe, touches and then shrugs
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 21:29:30 GMT -5
they definitely have great fashion sense. :-)
and it was really nice to see Buffy fighting in normal clothes for a change. I've really missed her cute outfits.
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 5, 2008 21:30:04 GMT -5
I think that the major shock comes from the fact that Buffy would even entertain the thought of sleeping with another woman. People were optimistic, but no one actually expected anything to happen.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 5, 2008 21:41:50 GMT -5
It does change Buffy, and it will change how people will look at her. She is Buffy and has always been straight, Joss had done his to shock us and it is a good twist but I am finding it very hard to believe. ![:)](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/smile.gif)
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Post by phoenixfire on Mar 5, 2008 21:43:33 GMT -5
OMG: buffy and satsu i was so shocked.... i never thought that would happen ever .. i just think it was too son if ever but i never though buffy would ever sleep with another woman it makes me think if her and willow will ever sleep together idk this is crazy
love u joss but Y ??
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 5, 2008 22:03:16 GMT -5
What he did was brave and true. He was true to his characters. Thats just the thing he wasn't true to his characters Buffy wouldn't do this, the Buffy on the show wouldn't anyway. I know that the comics are canon but Joss needs to be careful not to change to much, bringing back Warren from the dead, pushing Buffy away from her friends, the clothes for example Willows weird dresses which I don't mind though she does look better in normal jeans and a T-shirt same goes for Buffy. It's just last issue Buffy was telling Satsu that it was never going to happen and then in the next one she is in bed with her. ![:)](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/smile.gif)
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 22:13:29 GMT -5
It still doesn't ring true for me, even after three reads. There are a lot of things in this "season" that seem thrown together sort of hastily. Why is Dracula back? He sucked on the show--he was easily one of the lowest points. Amy and Warren's return--and subsequent disappearance--also seemed completely random, as did the issue with Robyn (despite the nice cameo for a fan). I'm still on board, I just feel like I keep waiting for this season to cohere in a meaningful way, and it's yet to do so.
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Post by Rowan Hawthorn on Mar 5, 2008 22:17:36 GMT -5
Thats just the thing he wasn't true to his characters Buffy wouldn't do this, the Buffy on the show wouldn't anyway. I know that the comics are canon but Joss needs to be careful not to change to much, bringing back Warren from the dead, pushing Buffy away from her friends, the clothes for example Willows weird dresses which I don't mind though she does look better in normal jeans and a T-shirt same goes for Buffy. It's just last issue Buffy was telling Satsu that it was never going to happen and then in the next one she is in bed with her. ![:)](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/smile.gif) Actually, Buffy didn't tell Satsu it was never going to happen - what she did was give her a couple of reasons not to expect it. And when's the last time we saw Willow wear normal jeans and a T-shirt? Maybe one time in Season 7? Mostly ever since the Season 4 premiere, it's been long skirts, with only occasionally corduroy pants or some type of dressy slacks.
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Post by dgryphon on Mar 5, 2008 22:21:25 GMT -5
I have to fall into the supporting camp for Buffy/Satsu. Looking back through the issues, I really do see how this has developed naturally.
As for Buffy being too old for experimenting (if one calls it that), people of all ages experiment with same-sex or opposite-sex relations. It's not necessarily something one has to do when young nor is it merely a way of defining yourself. Sexuality is a fickle fluid thing. Though I'm generally attracted to men, I have on occasion had a fleeting attraction to a woman, though it's usually an aesthetic attraction.
As for the vamps: awesome, no?
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 5, 2008 22:21:26 GMT -5
It still doesn't ring true for me, even after three reads. That is my only problem with it I don't care that she is curious, It could have been Xander and Andrew for all I care (weird image) but it would never happen same goes for the Buffy and Satsu thing It just seems completley forced to get a huge fan reaction, the only thing is that it is not getting a good fan reaction apart from one or two people. ![:)](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/smile.gif)
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 5, 2008 22:24:22 GMT -5
I'm wondering whose idea was it though. Did Buffy initiate the sex or did Satsu come on to Buffy and she said "ah what the hell" and gave in.
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 22:29:11 GMT -5
Yeah...it just seems really insensitive of Buffy. I could understand her "using" or "experimenting" with Spike--he was an "evil, soulless thing." But Satsu's vulnerable, and Buffy's in a position of power...it's just not responsible at all. I thought she'd grown up more than this in seasons 6 and 7.
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