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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 26, 2008 20:15:49 GMT -5
Perhaps I should read your posts later today, not now 03:39 in the morning. I might need sleep to get your POV.
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nathanoleary90
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Post by nathanoleary90 on May 29, 2008 18:47:20 GMT -5
Maybe a little bit off topic (First post by the way ) But did anybody else pick up on the hints that Renee was pretty much gonna die? It was the classic Buffy foreshadowing, but you only realise when you look back ie. with Joyce "i hope its a funny aneurysm", Anya and Amanda asleep at the table in Chosen, Tara "better not get used to them" (after Willow's "hmm clothes" in Seeing Red) etc Some clues about Renee: Wolves at the Gate Part 1, she says to Xander "Last time i pulled sentry duty, scottish zombies swarmed the castle. I get it. I screwed up......not gonna happen twice" (which of course, it does) Part 2, Dracula says "And the next time your moor smarts off at me i will SLIT HER THROAT" (which is bold and in italics- maybe a bit vague and a general threat, but Renee does 'smart off' at Dracula pages before her death Part 3 holds quite a few clues: Renee says to Xander "Now you dont have to worry about what happens at the end" Which, obviously, he does, as she is sort of...skewered a little bit Obviously the kiss, as love in Buffy = Death in buffy, classic Then the previously mentioned quip at Dracula comes up And then she's gone Poor Renee, i liked her First post by the way, so if this has all been brought up before or people think im looking too much into things, please dont verbally attack me!!!!!!! I'm here to share the love
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 29, 2008 18:52:01 GMT -5
Maybe a little bit off topic (First post by the way ) But did anybody else pick up on the hints that Renee was pretty much gonna die? It was the classic Buffy foreshadowing, but you only realise when you look back ie. with Joyce "i hope its a funny aneurysm", Anya and Amanda asleep at the table in Chosen, Tara "better not get used to them" (after Willow's "hmm clothes" in Seeing Red) etc Some clues about Renee: Wolves at the Gate Part 1, she says to Xander "Last time i pulled sentry duty, scottish zombies swarmed the castle. I get it. I screwed up......not gonna happen twice" (which of course, it does) Part 2, Dracula says "And the next time your moor smarts off at me i will SLIT HER THROAT" (which is bold and in italics- maybe a bit vague and a general threat, but Renee does 'smart off' at Dracula pages before her death Part 3 holds quite a few clues: Renee says to Xander "Now you dont have to worry about what happens at the end" Which, obviously, he does, as she is sort of...skewered a little bit Obviously the kiss, as love in Buffy = Death in buffy, classic Then the previously mentioned quip at Dracula comes up And then she's gone Poor Renee, i liked her First post by the way, so if this has all been brought up before or people think im looking too much into things, please dont verbally attack me!!!!!!! I'm here to share the love No verbal attacks, lol. Those are some interesting points, and I hadn't really thought about it before. Welcome to the forum, BTW!
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nathanoleary90
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Post by nathanoleary90 on May 29, 2008 18:55:01 GMT -5
thanks lol, i've seen some forums were people get eaten alive for saying something before!!!!! I only noticed them because i went back to see if they'd done the classic Buffy foreshadowing, i'll be paying more attention in the future I forgot 1 point, where Andrew is talking about Xander grieving over Anya, technically foreshadowing because now, Xander will have to grieve over Renee and maybe we'll get to see more of what he was like when Anya died? Lets hope so!
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Post by wenxina on May 29, 2008 23:06:48 GMT -5
Anya and Amanda asleep at the table in Chosen Are we talking the Dungeons and Dragons scene here? Because only Anya was asleep then. Amanda was busy kicking Andrew (and his red cape) all over town. Welcome though!
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Post by sartra on May 30, 2008 22:54:11 GMT -5
New to message board too. I was frustrated by this ish because the plot hardly moved forward.
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Post by nathanoleary90 on May 31, 2008 17:06:19 GMT -5
Lol i watched 'Chosen' today and realised i was wrong about Amanda Dont know where i got it from in the first place!!!! I don't know if there was any clues with Jenny, i haven't looked to be honest!!! On a sidenote, it'd be good to see Jenny in the comics, we need a Giles arc!!!!!! Anyway, this issue was one of my favourites, but does anyone else think there just trying their hardest to fit Dawn in now? Fair enough the 'giant' story is good but its made it harder to put her in the main storyline- hope she becomes regular sized and has more to do!!!!!!!
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Post by Bennyboi on Jun 2, 2008 9:21:55 GMT -5
Just a thought, who else actually hates the way Georges drew Dawn in this issue? She looked about 4 years old! And then when she says ROAR, he nose is like twice as wide as that of Michelle Trachtenberg! This is definately a character that needs some working on, maybe when he's not so busy, which will be kinda hard I guess. All of the other characters are great, Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles, Faith...
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Post by dane5by5 on Jun 2, 2008 9:33:11 GMT -5
Just a thought, who else actually hates the way Georges drew Dawn in this issue? She looked about 4 years old! And then when she says ROAR, he nose is like twice as wide as that of Michelle Trachtenberg! This is definately a character that needs some working on, maybe when he's not so busy, which will be kinda hard I guess. All of the other characters are great, Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles, Faith... Yeah, a number of people had complaints about Dawn looking too young. I think Georges was trying to capture an innocent look before she went Godzilla and started with the destruction.
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Post by buffystar on Jun 2, 2008 19:49:25 GMT -5
Lol i watched 'Chosen' today and realised i was wrong about Amanda Dont know where i got it from in the first place!!!! I don't know if there was any clues with Jenny, i haven't looked to be honest!!! On a sidenote, it'd be good to see Jenny in the comics, we need a Giles arc!!!!!! Anyway, this issue was one of my favourites, but does anyone else think there just trying their hardest to fit Dawn in now? Fair enough the 'giant' story is good but its made it harder to put her in the main storyline- hope she becomes regular sized and has more to do!!!!!!! I think another foreshadow of Renee's death is that the rest of Xander's girls have all gotten killed. -Cordelia Chase (Killed in Angel) -Ampatta (The Mummy Girl) -Lissa (That girl in "First Date") -Anya -Buffy Summers (His crush, but still died twice) -Miss Natalie French (The Mantis Demon) -Tara MaClay (He dreamed about her in "Restless") -Joyce Summers (One of many women affected by the love spell casted by Amy Madison) -Jenny Caldendar (One of many women affected by the love spell casted by Amy Madison) I also think a foreshadow of Jenny's death is, will I don't really know but wasn't she a descendant of the Gypsy clan that cursed Angel/Angelus? If she was, then Angelus killed her ancestor, which caused him to gain his soul. While Jenny met the same fate as her ancestor, it kept him souless. Jenny and her ancestor was killed by the same Vampire is what I'm trying to say. Yeah I also that she looked a bit childish. Kind of like 10 or 9 years old.
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Post by alycat7 on Jun 2, 2008 20:02:52 GMT -5
Somehow i didn't see Renee's death coming. I should learn by now that there is no such thing as a happy ending in the Buffyverse.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jun 3, 2008 6:52:55 GMT -5
I didn't see it coming either, but I think it was because I had accepted that she was not important. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure she's a perfectly fine character, but she didn't really do much until this arch, and then I just thought she was getting some character development. Hmmm...
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