Possible Angel Storylines

[pablo]

I've been watching s.5 all over again, and here are some cool storylines to develop for possible future canon continuations:
- The Awakening of another Old One: if the PTBs are neutral, they can't let the good guys get an Old One on their side while the baddies have none.
So it'd be cool to see the awakening of another god (possibly by Drogyn) and it siding with W&H or the big bads of the story.

- Doyle coming back: as simple as that. Probably as a big bad would be sad, but still seeing him would be very neat. Ditto for Cordy.

- Faith in HellA: this is how i see it; Buffy doesn't trust Giles anymore, some misunderstanding goes in the way btwn her and him, and she believes he betrayed the scooby gang, so Buffy has him kiled.
Faith is distraught, she loses her now central role-model and feels lost, without a purpose; she can't see why she should keep fighting if the good fight is not on her side.
She somehow ends up in HellA (mystic portal in Cleveland, spell), and turns out she's here cos her soul is lost and is now some kind of wandering ex-slayer without a purpose.
Angel helps her get back on track and she helps HellA getting out of the hell dimension, realising her place is with the Fang Gang.

How about your storylines?

[Skytteflickan88]

Perhaps something with the robots. The ninja robots.

Or Nina. Didn't like her in the beginning, but that's probably because I'm a Bangel-fan deep in. I want to see more of her. Hope they make a mini-series with her.

[El Diablo Robotico]

I'd like to see the "Lineage" cyber-ninja storyline explained somehow, either in S8 or AtF...

[pablo]

I thought that was just a shallow means to explain how the good guys turned against the Fang Gang as they teamed up with W&H.
They were cool, tho.
I wonder if the military had something to do with it..

[balesthebloody]

The story could really go anywhere at this point, but here are somethings that I would LIKE to see....

1. A Fred and Illyria split with Illyria becoming a lord and finding it's own appearance.
2. The Powers somehow getting involved and sending Cordy to HelL.A as a spirit guide for, the now human, Angel.
3. Wesley crossing over or be brought back to life.
4. Gunn siring Angel to make him Angelus again.
5. A big Angelus and Spike showdown.
6. If number four happens, give Angel his soul back.
7. Lorne getting the visions.
8. Find out who the Shanshu is really for Angel or Spike.
9. Gunn siring the slayers and have a big showdown with Team Angel.
10. Betta George opening up a hole back into the real Los Angeles.

A long list I know, but one can hope right?

[gunslingerdante]

I still would like to see a story about future Angel/Spike. The Illyria timeslips from issue 3 and 4 really bug me.

[patxshand]

Gotta say. There's no way Buffy would "have Giles killed." As iffy as their relationship is, it just wouldn't happen.

[Whedon Fan]

May 18, 2008 19:47:52 GMT -5 gunslingerdante said:

I still would like to see a story about future Angel/Spike. The Illyria timeslips from issue 3 and 4 really bug me.

In my Angel season 7 fan fic (I've already finished S6) Doyle who is still alive rips a portal to the present day and warns Angel and Spike to change the way they are living and the way they are fighting. They have all lost their way and if they don't change now they will lose everything. Doyle leaves to go back to his alternative future dimension but Angel quickly runs in after him, the rest of the team try to go after him but get shot back. Inside The future LA is over run by vampires and demons, the humans have set up a resistance team to fight back but are getting killed fast, Doyle takes Angel to a safe house where it is revveale that Cordellia is still alive and has her power.

Angel asks how everything is like this. Doyoe says that over two years now Angel lost his soul and began rampaging through Los Angeles, he then takes Spike's soul and together they run LA from inside Wolfram and Hart, where it is later revealed that they have Connor held captive and is chained up and being torchered. Illyria has been killed and her head is put on display as a wrning to who ever else tries to go up against Angelus and Spike. Meanwhile back in the present day they remaining members of the team are looking for a way to bring Angel back.

So the future resistance team move out to go and rescue Connor and take out Angelus and Spike whilst they are all fighting a portal opens for Angel to go back to the present time. Angel leaves just in time to see Cordellia's neck being snapped and Connor freeing himslef and stacking Angelus. Back in his own time Angel is told that a vampires nest has taken up residence in LA and they set out to take them out. The links are on the bottom of my banner if you want to read it.

[Disgruntled Gremlin]

Hmmmm, all threads I would like to see picked up in After the Fall are more character related than plot related...here's a sampling.

ANGEL

A direct contrast between his moment of clarity following the vision he gained in "You're Welcome" and the outcome for the city he was so sworn to protect. After all the good he did with Angel Investigations, all the ambivalent work with W&H, he needs to look at the ruins of the city and acknowledge that none of that can possibly atone for the loss of life that has ensued. The poor kid has his precious humanity, but he has more to atone for now than ever: the Hell A situation is his fault, soul and all.

SPIKE

I demand Spike play a mentoring "fun uncle" type role to Connor. Someone who Angel can be jealous of, because he may care about Connor, but doesn't have to worry about disciplining him, shaping him as a moral person, and all those other fun guilt trips that makes Moms and Dads want to lie down and die on a couch some afternoons.

CONNOR

Needs to confront his old self -- the manic-depressive, paranoid, fatalistic Connor who murdered a girl in cold blood for his own gain, and then sacrificed dozens at the altar of Jasmine. Perhaps a ghostly image of the dead girl haunting him, a la Angel in Amends (sans First-evil-ness?). Share with Dad about what the word atonement means -- if that conversation doesn't happen, the show's theme hasn't meant anything at all.

ANGEL INVESTIGATIONS

The name needs to be used again, as does the slogan. The helpless citizens of LA were once the focus of this show -- we haven't really zeroed in on them since season 3 at the latest. We need to see Connor, Spike, Illyria, Kate, and the new gang making a conscientious effort to reduce as much harm as possible for the citizens.

HARMONY

Needs to die. In what world was Lindsey worthy of death when he had a genuine chance to repent, while Harmony was definitely evil and inevitably murderous, and got off with a reference letter? Angel's release of Harmony demands consequences.

That's what comes to mind for now -- will expand more later.

[Skytteflickan88]

You think that Harmony deserves death more than Lindsey? What show were you watching. She didn't have a soul. What's his exscuse?

But agree with the Harmony needs to die part. The letter thing was silly.

[Emmie]

What's the most evil thing Lindsey ever did at W&H? I can't remember his character arc that well from the early seasons. Did he ever cold-bloodedly murder someone?

[Skytteflickan88]

May 20, 2008 6:16:29 GMT -5 Emmie said:

What's the most evil thing Lindsey ever did at W&H? I can't remember his character arc that well from the early seasons. Did he ever cold-bloodedly murder someone?

Nope. He just worked for cold-blooded murderers. I doubt he ever got his hands dirty. But come on he was a lawyer at W&H, the place where wealthy rapists, murderers and all-together evil people could seek help, so that they would end up on the street again, not in jail. Not to mention, got a front row seat watching Darla get turned, help planning Darla to rape-date drug Angel(I doubt that she just had drinks with him in his dream), helped with the blowing up Wesley and cursing Cordelia in the end of season 1, not doing a damn thing when Billy got women beaten to death...

I hate that guy. I don't think that he's 100% evil, he has soft spots, but he didn't deserve to live, helping Angel out or not.

[Emmie]

Skytte, Lindsey wasn't around when Billy emerged in Season 3. But yes to all that other stuff being horrible. I just had trouble remembering anything besides his singing in 'Dead End'.

[Skytteflickan88]

Oh, you're right, he left in season 2. I got a bit carried away.

pretty as a picture, she is like a golden rain

[hitnrun017]

Harmony CAN'T die. That's one of my favorite running gags on both shows. She shows up, and ALWAYS manages to get away. I'd be disappointed if she got killed.

[Disgruntled Gremlin]

The issue for me on the Harmony vs. Lindsey thing is that Angel has always been a series that places the primary focus on redemption. The show's cast is made up of damaged characters -- the murderous vampire gifted with a soul, the snotty cheerleader who lost everything, the disgraced watcher, the now powerless demon godess... what set Angel apart from other, crappier sci-fi series is its examination of the way these people try to achieve redeption (and often, how they fail).

Lindsey's death was a fantastic plot twist, but it creates a big character inconsistency. His death paints a picture of our hero as having given up on the idea that redemption is for everybody: it seems in these final hours, it is worth sacrificing a potentially bad human being for the greater good. This is a big character change: for instance, in S2, Angel never gave up on human Darla's potential for redemption, though she was more unrepentant than Lindsey.

However, given the circumstances, particularly his willingness to sacrifice Drogyn, I can buy this characterization of Angel. It adds to feeling of desperation that "Not Fade Away" so masterfully created. By "Power Play," he was pretty much disillusioned with the concept of the mission -- of "Helping the Hopeless" -- and this is why he killed Lindsey -- because he posed a potential risk to his master plan, and wasn't willing to take the chance that he might double cross him, even if that meant killing a human being who, since "Underneath" had done nothing but help him.

However, if we accept this, why on earth did Angel let Harmony go? She was definitely evil, has killed unrepentantly before, has zero chance of redemption, has betrayed him frequently (and recently). The explanation I find most satisfying is that Angel cannot bear to sacrifice a creature that is so young -- 22 years, including afterlife? -- and the conversation he shared with her earlier brought up nostalgic feelings for the loss of innocence (as well as for someone who had been a friend of Cordelia).

These sentiments were misplaced: Harmony = the enemy, unquestionably and undeniably. His failure to kill her was forgivable in the finale because let's face it, we needed the amusing moment of her escape to lighten the endlessly dark second half. Now that the series is continuing however, Angel's reckless, selfish attitude in the finale needs to have consequences.

[angelsclone]

1) Angel becoming human BECAUSE of the Shanshu prophecy...NOT the Senior Partners
2) Wesley’s Wolfram & Hart contract is destroyed…either he moves ot the afterlife or becomes alive and becomes a watcher to Slayers again...
3) Only thing i can think for Gunn is to be staked, or gets a soul and helps the helpless once Angel becomes human...
4) Fred either moves on or is split from Illyria and lives happy with the revived Wesley as a co-watcher...
5) Connor apologises for everything he’s put Angel through and acts as Angels son...
6) Lorne opens his own club and shows people their paths again...
7) Spike also becoming human because of the prophecy as a nice twist, or loosing his soul and venturing the see Buffy in season eight…
8) Kate returning in a another issue in the present time...
9) Anne returning to help Gunn remember what he used to fight for...
10) Nina dying... she's boring and has no story to tell...
11) Lindsey, Lilah & Eve all returning as former undead W&H employees...
12) Drusilla's current whereabouts would be nice to know...
13) Faith coming to Hell A to stop a rogue slayer..one that’s on Team Gunn...

[snizapman6294]

May 17, 2008 19:59:53 GMT -5 balesthebloody said:

The story could really go anywhere at this point, but here are somethings that I would LIKE to see....

1. A Fred and Illyria split with Illyria becoming a lord and finding it's own appearance.
2. The Powers somehow getting involved and sending Cordy to HelL.A as a spirit guide for, the now human, Angel.
3. Wesley crossing over or be brought back to life.
4. Gunn siring Angel to make him Angelus again.
5. A big Angelus and Spike showdown.
6. If number four happens, give Angel his soul back.
7. Lorne getting the visions.
8. Find out who the Shanshu is really for Angel or Spike.
9. Gunn siring the slayers and have a big showdown with Team Angel.
10. Betta George opening up a hole back into the real Los Angeles.

A long list I know, but one can hope right?

1. That's what Joss had planned for season 6 if it were televised.
2. That's what Angel has Wesley for.
3. I don't know about that one. Either way, He'd still be there at the end so it doesn't really matter.
4. I kind of see Spike doing that, not Gunn.
5. That would be frickin' amazing.
6. I think it'd be more interesting if he doesn't get his soul.
7. Angel got the visions remember?
8. That's kind of pointless b/c angel's already human and the apocalypse already happened.
9. AMAZING!
10. What do you mean by "real LA"?

[snizapman6294]

May 20, 2008 5:05:42 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

You think that Harmony deserves death more than Lindsey? What show were you watching. She didn't have a soul. What's his exscuse?

But agree with the Harmony needs to die part. The letter thing was silly.

The only reason she was brought back was cuz like Buffy was a very female dominant cast, and Angel was a very male dominant cast, and without Charisma Carpenter, there was only Amy Acker. and Joss didn't want to add a new character in the last season that nobody knew and was regularly seen. And didn't want to bring back a major character from buffy, without magical resurrection. plus spike and harmony were the only people from buffy who would fit in at Wolfram & Hart. And yes, Harmony NEEDS to die. Supposedly, she's coming back in Angel After the Fall.

[brandonr]

Jul 13, 2008 18:16:41 GMT -5 snizapman6294 said:

1. That's what Joss had planned for season 6 if it were televised.
2. That's what Angel has Wesley for.
3. I don't know about that one. Either way, He'd still be there at the end so it doesn't really matter.
4. I kind of see Spike doing that, not Gunn.
5. That would be frickin' amazing.
6. I think it'd be more interesting if he doesn't get his soul.
7. Angel got the visions remember?
8. That's kind of pointless b/c angel's already human and the apocalypse already happened.
9. AMAZING!
10. What do you mean by "real LA"?

Re #7: Angel didn't get the visions. Cordy gave him ONE vision in "You're Welcome" to show him what was coming regarding the Circle of the Black Thorn, but that's it. No ongoing visions like Cordy and Doyle both had.

Re #10: I'm just guessing, but maybe balesthebloody, at the time, meant that the HellA we were shown was in another dimension, and not the "real LA". But since we've been shown that people on the outside view LA as being fine, like normal, and we've been shown that LA was covered by some kind of forcefield wall that contains the hell within, that's been proven otherwise.