Is Dawn still the Key?

[Emmie]

I keep hearing the opinion on the forums that Dawn isn't the key anymore. Just wanted to hear people's explanations either way.

I personally don't think her key-ness expired. Considering that the Key has existed for god-knows-how-long, why would the one ritual that would allow Glory to go home mean she wasn't the Key anymore? The only way I can see the Key being destroyed is when Dawn dies.

[balesthebloody]

I think that she will always have magic key-ness. That is something that you can't take away without killing Dawn. If another demon wants to open up a portal and they now Dawn is key I think they would be able to open it with Dawn's blood.

[jessesopher]

Good topic.

Yes, she is still the key. But no one is "looking' for her any more. Glory was really the one in the predicament to need her. So in a sense, there is no more "lock" So she's useless.

But should anyone ever want to bleed the dimensions together again, she would still open the portals between them.

But a further question that I had not thought of... Can Dawn really die? Yes, she's human, but she's also an immortal mystical ball of energy. So if Dawn dies, what becomes of the key? Becauase it can't just cease to exist...

[balesthebloody]

May 30, 2008 19:36:54 GMT -5 @jessesopher said:

Good topic.

Yes, she is still the key. But no one is "looking' for her any more. Glory was really the one in the predicament to need her. So in a sense, there is no more "lock" So she's useless.

But should anyone ever want to bleed the dimensions together again, she would still open the portals between them.

But a further question that I had not thought of... Can Dawn really die? Yes, she's human, but she's also an immortal mystical ball of energy. So if Dawn dies, what becomes of the key? Becauase it can't just cease to exist...

Maybe it becomes like a soul, from a human that is turned into a vampire, and floats around in the ether somewhere until it is called upon and manifested. Maybe Dawn's soul will move on but her "powers" I have no clue what would happen to them.

[Rachster]

Dawn will always be the key, the key is her blood so while she still has blood left in her she's still the key

[jessesopher]

May 30, 2008 19:42:20 GMT -5 balesthebloody said:

Maybe it becomes like a soul, from a human that is turned into a vampire, and floats around in the ether somewhere until it is called upon and manifested. Maybe Dawn's soul will move on but her "powers" I have no clue what would happen to them.

Interesting.... so when Dawn dies, her keyness just floats around? I can see it. Oooo.... So that means that when she dies, the it will be the first time that The Key does not have a guardian. It was protected first by the monks, then by Buffy. What happens if an evil thing wants it. Interesting. It makes me want Dawn dead so we can see the ramifications of her being the key.

Also, does Dawn have a soul in the first place? I know she's "good" but a soul isn't something that can just be created is it? It just is.

[Emmie]

Where are all the people who think Dawn isn't the key anymore? I'd really like to hear your reasoning as it's what prompted me to start this topic. So far this thread has been pretty one-sided.

[Skytteflickan88]

Yeah, were are they? I wanna argue.

I myself think that Dawn has no soul but that the monks imitated a human being when creating Dawn. They gave her a consience, a body and the ability to feel love, fear and all that.

I also think that there as a numbers of looks that she can open, not just Glory's. But as long as no one is looking for the key, I guess she's safe.

If the monks thought ahead, I bet they make sure that she won't age and die. I think she will live forever, because then she's her own guardian. Although it looks as if she aged in season 5 to 7, which is of course because of the actress. In the comics she may not age, so that she won't die, become green energy and float around.

[balesthebloody]

May 31, 2008 9:25:22 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

If the monks thought ahead, I bet they make sure that she won't age and die. I think she will live forever, because then she's her own guardian. Although it looks as if she aged in season 5 to 7, which is of course because of the actress. In the comics she may not age, so that she won't die, become green energy and float around.

I find the unlikely. I think that the monks would have told Buffy that Dawn would be unable to age. That's not a minor detail you just leave out. Plus it also looks as if Dawn has aged some in the comics, even with her sudden growth.

On the other note:
What makes me think that her "power" just floats around after she dies is the fact that you can't destroy energy.

[pink_table_la]

Where are all the people who think Dawn isn't the key anymore? I'd really like to hear your reasoning as it's what prompted me to start this topic. So far this thread has been pretty one-sided.

yup. i wanna too where this started. cos im a lil intrigue... I'm pretty sure season 8 (comics) hasn't talked about her 'keyness' yet..

[commandercool]

Didn't Darth Willow have a line about turning her back into the Key? I haven't seen that episode in a while, but I think it was referenced. I assume she's still a Key, she just doesn't unlock anything anymore.

[BenTaylor3907]

She will always be "The Key". I wonder if she could unlock anything else other than spilling other dimension into this one.
HOLD ON! Was opening the portal type thing a one time thing?

[Whedon Fan]

I don't think she is the key anymore and was suprised at the poll results. In the episode Baragining part 1 of season 6 Dawn says to Spike that shes 'not the key anymore and that IF she was she doesn't open anything'...Glory could only use the key power one time as stated in the gift when they are all coming up with ideas.

[buffyfan21]

I don't really think Dawn is still the Key, but ya never know. I guess we will just have to wait and see...

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 1, 2008 14:11:26 GMT -5 Whedon Fan said:

I don't think she is the key anymore and was suprised at the poll results. In the episode Baragining part 1 of season 6 Dawn says to Spike that shes 'not the key anymore and that IF she was she doesn't open anything'...Glory could only use the key power one time as stated in the gift when they are all coming up with ideas.

I assumed that Dawn didn't know what she was talking about. i mean, she's not exactly a dimension key-expert. perhaps she just assumed.

And i do think that she is the Key to pretty much any dimension at the right time, but Glory's can't be opened for a long long time, since she has such hurry.

But we don't know, and that's so annoying. i mostly assume that she's the key because that's what she is. She wasn't transformed into a human being, she is the key who happen to look human. i guess.

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 1, 2008 12:38:10 GMT -5 BenTaylor3907 said:

She will always be "The Key". I wonder if she could unlock anything else other than spilling other dimension into this one.
HOLD ON! Was opening the portal type thing a one time thing?

I assumed that she could open many dimensions, but Glory's could only be opened at a specific time.

[MaLe◊SlAyEr]

Well, i really think Dawn is still the key, it's never been confirmed or anything, but it's what she is. I'm not so convinced that she doesn't have powers. She's still young and just doensn't know what's going on.

[Mathieu]

Sadly I think Dawn isn't the key anymore, she's just a normal girl with a fake past and fake memories. However I don't see her as immortal or anything. She's just a normal girl. Except she's a giant now.