trunkstheslayer
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Dec 6, 2008 14:48:38 GMT -5
This is the first true crossover with Angel: ATF. Harmony got out of hell which means Buffy definitely takes place after the events of the Angel comic. That's the most exciting thing about this. Um...no...back up. How is this a crossover when Harmony hasn't been in ATF at all? Harmony left LA before the fall more than likely. Can't get out of hell if you were never there. There's nothing here that confirms Buffy being post ATF. As for Harmony saying how she got out before the fall (she wouldn't since she wouldn't know about it), or mentioning Spike...I kinda doubt it. It'd be nice to finally see Buffy's reaction but I think there's gonna be too much else in the issue to cover it.
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Post by michellebuffyfest on Dec 6, 2008 16:29:53 GMT -5
Um...no...back up. How is this a crossover when Harmony hasn't been in ATF at all? Harmony left LA before the fall more than likely. I don't think she got out before the end. She was at Wolfram & Hart up until Angel's fight with Hamilton. I guess it could be possible, but to me it doesn't seem likely. L.A. traffic sucks. I guess I should correct my comment and say that this is the first Angel the TV Series crossover back into Buffy via the comics and a possible first Angel comic crossover. I'm keeping my hopes up that she was in hell.
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Post by bamph on Dec 6, 2008 17:21:22 GMT -5
Um...no...back up. How is this a crossover when Harmony hasn't been in ATF at all? Harmony left LA before the fall more than likely. I don't think she got out before the end. She was at Wolfram & Hart up until Angel's fight with Hamilton. I guess it could be possible, but to me it doesn't seem likely. L.A. traffic sucks. I guess I should correct my comment and say that this is the first Angel the TV Series crossover back into Buffy via the comics and a possible first Angel comic crossover. I'm keeping my hopes up that she was in hell. Didn't Scott Allie pretty much confirm in his recent chat here that Harmony got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell? It sounds like we won't actually find out how she got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell but she did get out before After The Fall.
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Post by bitsy on Dec 6, 2008 19:29:59 GMT -5
I don't think she got out before the end. She was at Wolfram & Hart up until Angel's fight with Hamilton. I guess it could be possible, but to me it doesn't seem likely. L.A. traffic sucks. I guess I should correct my comment and say that this is the first Angel the TV Series crossover back into Buffy via the comics and a possible first Angel comic crossover. I'm keeping my hopes up that she was in hell. Didn't Scott Allie pretty much confirm in his recent chat here that Harmony got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell? It sounds like we won't actually find out how she got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell but she did get out before After The Fall. Scott Allie's quote seems like it could go either way to me. It's entirely possible that he can't answer the question of how she got out of L.A. because, whoops, she didn't. I think he stayed very vague on purpose. Just my two cents.
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Vail
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Post by Vail on Dec 6, 2008 20:50:22 GMT -5
im starting to think we're not gonna get an actual moment where buffy finds out now, as its been so long. makes me feel a little robbed perhaps, but if it doesnt happen this issue i doubt it'll happen at all. Doesn't she already know? I mean.. she did have some "dreams" where angel and spike were major players in #3, so I just assumed she knew they both were alive. I mean... either that or Buffy's sexual life is weirder than ever: who has wet dreams with the dead un-dead? The silence about it in the series makes sense providing that they were working for W&H and Buffy and Giles didn't particularly like that. I guess it's easier for everyone if there aren't any cross-overs by now. How can Buffy explain she let Fred die for example?
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Post by wenxina on Dec 6, 2008 20:53:15 GMT -5
I mean... either that or Buffy's sexual life is weirder than ever: who has wet dreams with the dead un-dead? For that matter, who sleeps with the undead anyway? lol I don't think it's ever been conclusively stated one way or the other; Buffy may know about Spike coming back, or may not. For that matter, there's been no actual acknowledgement of the events of AtF either. Wait and see, I guess.
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Post by Vail on Dec 6, 2008 21:02:59 GMT -5
Yep... got me with the undead sleeping. Why were people so alarmed when she slept with Satsu?? At least she breathed and didn't betray her (ehem, Riley)
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Post by wenxina on Dec 7, 2008 11:12:23 GMT -5
So... I did the back-of-the-envelope math... but did I miss something, or is Harmony a wee bit too old to fit into the S8 timeline. Let me break this down. If Buffy was about 22 at the end of S7 (assuming that each season chronicles the events of roughly a year), and S8 is supposed to take place about a year and a half after the events of "Chosen", she should be ~24 or so in S8. And since Harmony was in the same year as Buffy, she should be around the same age. However, her MySpace page says that she's 27-years old. So... did Harmony get held back a few grades (not unbelievable, lol), or did someone mess up the numbers?
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trunkstheslayer
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Dec 7, 2008 15:19:26 GMT -5
I'm thinking a numbers screw-up. Probably did it in real-time rather than Buffyverse years.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 8, 2008 2:20:01 GMT -5
Three options: Harmony got held back, the age got messed up on the Myspace or Hell-A messed with her age...?
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 8, 2008 4:43:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking an error on the part of the page-set-up-er.
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Post by ligeia on Dec 8, 2008 14:29:08 GMT -5
I am SO excited about this arc.
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Post by jellymoff on Dec 10, 2008 1:07:20 GMT -5
Didn't Scott Allie pretty much confirm in his recent chat here that Harmony got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell? It sounds like we won't actually find out how she got out of L.A. before it was sent to hell but she did get out before After The Fall. Scott Allie's quote seems like it could go either way to me. It's entirely possible that he can't answer the question of how she got out of L.A. because, whoops, she didn't. I think he stayed very vague on purpose. Just my two cents. It seems that the general consensus is that S8 takes place 1.5 years after S7, which puts S8 1/2 year after Angel S5. AFT takes place directly after Angel S5, so it is very possible that LA will be out of hell before S8 even starts. Who knows how time passes in hell anyway? They may get out of hell and realize only a day has passed since the alley fight...
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Post by wenxina on Dec 10, 2008 8:53:15 GMT -5
Good point about the relativity of time, jellymoff. Karmaing.
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Malsad
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Post by Malsad on Dec 10, 2008 19:43:01 GMT -5
atf takes place a few months after the ally
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Post by alycat7 on Dec 10, 2008 22:37:27 GMT -5
I wanna see Harmony vs. Xander round 3. lol.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 10, 2008 22:54:48 GMT -5
atf takes place a few months after the ally While it's true that the main action of AtF takes place a few months after the fight in the alley, I think the point being made was that it's probable that time passes differently in hell, and since LA pretty much went to hell during that fight, it's possible that emerging from the events of AtF in what seems to be months later, only a short span of time has passed since that night. There is a precedent for the way time passes in a hell dimension. Angel spent a considerable amount of time in one after being sent there via Acathla, and though it was only a few months, it felt a lot longer.
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Post by phoenixfire on Dec 11, 2008 17:42:15 GMT -5
i thought harmoney was good, she ws good on angel anyways. He must have had her in check and i hope buffy does the same to her.
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Post by buffystar on Dec 16, 2008 19:27:40 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet.
But on Harmony's myspace, she mentions some of her interest and they all sound like they are involed in issue 21. She mentions Clem is part of her interest. Does that mean that Clem will appear in Harmony's issue?
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Post by Malsad on Dec 16, 2008 19:45:36 GMT -5
hopes so and time in diferent hells flows differently so it could be actuly lasting longer, seting them both in the same time frame (but thats just the obsessive compulsive part of me)
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