patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Feb 4, 2009 23:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by wenxina on Feb 4, 2009 23:43:12 GMT -5
Did I miss what Twilight's motive might have been in wanting to murder innocent children around the world with these "toys"? If they remained inanimate until they got near a Slayer, and then attacked the Slayer, that might make sense. But they also drain the ship's crew, and in the online comic (if we can take that seriously) they do attack children. It's been suggested that Twilight's real plan was for the Slayers to do whatever it takes to destroy the "toys", and then paint them in the terrorist light. In other words, the Slayers got played. Which would also mean that Twilight played the Vampy Cats. Which makes him far more insidious than you're giving him credit for.  I get that many of the previous villains have always seemed invincible up to the point where the Scoobies find their Achilles' heel, but that doesn't change the fact that all Glory did was stomp about and wreck Jimmy Choos instead of snapping Buffy's neck, like she constantly threatened. And the real Big Bad of S6 wasn't Dark Willow, it was there from the first episode of S6, it was life itself. The Trio were just playing at being Big Bads, until Warren goes too far (well, he goes there several times in the season) and kills Tara in a stupid attempt to avenge his broken manhood (Buffy crushed his orbs). Willow succumbs to grief and anger (real-life emotions), and embarks on a vengeance kick. So the Big Bad isn't Darth Rosenberg. EDIT: Great review, Pat. I highly recommend readership. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 4, 2009 23:59:27 GMT -5
Anybody have any ideas as to what Satsu wants to go shopping for?
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Post by eriktheslayerboy on Feb 5, 2009 0:01:53 GMT -5
i know someone pointed out that satsu has a picture of buffy in her room can anyone tell me where exactly that is i was looking for it but couldn't spot it. Thx!
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Post by wenxina on Feb 5, 2009 0:03:20 GMT -5
Anybody have any ideas as to what Satsu wants to go shopping for? New lipgloss, I'd assume, since she says: "It's time to stop being who we were... and get a new flavor". It kinda goes back to Kennedy telling her that although cinnamon may be a favorite, there are plenty of flavors out there to try. i know someone pointed out that satsu has a picture of buffy in her room can anyone tell me where exactly that is i was looking for it but couldn't spot it. Thx! It's in the panel where the Vampy Cat is climbing into Satsu's bed. The clipping is behind the Easter Island head. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 5, 2009 0:11:01 GMT -5
But that she realizes she has to actively move on or else she's going to be stuck going through the motions pining for a woman who doesn't love her back. Someday we'll have to have a discussion about whether Buffy loves her back or not. :-) But it's true that from Satsu's standpoint, it really doesn't matter at this point. Buffy isn't willing to be in a relationship with her, for the reason she gave in A Beautiful Sunset ("fine for me, bad for you"). And Satsu shouldn't live like a nun in the hope that will change someday. I'd have preferred to see her put that lipgloss in her dresser drawer than in the garbage, though. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 5, 2009 0:14:19 GMT -5
Anybody have any ideas as to what Satsu wants to go shopping for? New lipgloss, I'd assume, since she says: "It's time to stop being who we were... and get a new flavor". It kinda goes back to Kennedy telling her that although cinnamon may be a favorite, there are plenty of flavors out there to try. As literal as that, though? I got the impression when Satsu said "stop being who we were and get a new flavor" she was referring to her Slayers as much as her personal life. Maybe I misinterpreted, though. |
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Post by wenxina on Feb 5, 2009 0:18:19 GMT -5
As literal as that, though? I got the impression when Satsu said "stop being who we were and get a new flavor" she was referring to her Slayers as much as her personal life. Maybe I misinterpreted, though. Given that the last line is delivered with the shot of the lipgloss in the trash, I'd say yes, it's probably as literal as that. I say this, coupled with my impression that Satsu's throwing away of the lipgloss is not so much her being over Buffy, but rather taking an active initiative in getting over Buffy (as I mentioned in my long response to your earlier post, which is also what Emmie thinks, incidentally). |
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 5, 2009 0:19:39 GMT -5
1) The first one is probably particular to me, and the three other Buffy/Satsu shippers in the world. It was made clear in LWH that Satsu's love for Buffy was strong enough to register on a mystical level. After WatG Satsu decided to go to Tokyo specifically so she could be away from Buffy on a personal level and hopefully fall out of love with her. It was clear at the beginning of this issue that that hadn't happened yet. Kennedy's aggressive lobbying for Buffy's heterosexuality doesn't faze her. Yet in the final scene, Buffy speaks to her in a crisis-related video conference, all business like she's supposed to be. This is the way Satsu wanted it when she relocated to Tokyo. Yet somehow, this video conference causes Satsu to throw her love for Buffy in the trash. I also believe that you are seeing the metaphor the wrong way. When Satsu threw the cinnamon chap stick in the garbage, it was supposed to show that she was going to begin moving on with her life and try to get over Buffy. 2. As I said in an earlier post, it's hard to see how Satsu and Kennedy could have been close friends before this, but Kennedy volunteers to go to Japan and evaluate Satsu so she can give her unsolicited love advice. Why? And since Satsu voluntarily moved to Tokyo to break things off with Buffy, how did Kennedy know she was still carrying the torch? I just don't understand Kennedy's motives in any of this. I dont really see them as being close. I do see them as knowing eachother, but not close. My theory is that Willows whole thing with Saga Vasuki is possibly causing a rift between Willow and Kennedy and Kennedy might have a thing for Satsu. Her comment in this issue about how Satsu should find someone who can return the love really etched this into my mind. Im not saying this is true, but its a possibility. 3. A lot of people like the Vampy Cats because they seem to harken back to the old days of light-hearted "monster of the week" TV episodes. That's great, but season 8 is entirely uber-plot driven, and the Vampy Cats hardly seem worthy of a supervillain like Twilight is purported to be. I mean, it might have been different if they turned their victims into vampires or something (as I thought at first they did to Satsu)... but these things... turn girls into misogynistic stepford wives until something causes them to be vomited up, at which point they scream the Secret Plan at the top of their lungs and attack ineffectually. Hmm. Design flaw, there? I do understand what your saying about how these little demons do seem to be fairly un-intimidating when it comes to defeating Buffy which also leads me to believe that Twilight is working for someone ala the Beast and Cordy/Jasmine. However, this could all be a part of the scheme to defeat Buffys image in everyway possible. 4. I just don't buy the idea that people in general could know vampires and exist and somehow miss the fact that they're all merciless, constant killers. It's just not plausible. It's even less plausible than the idea that people could go all this time without knowing about vamps in the first place. The only thing that might make it work is a global perception-changing spell on the level of Jonathan is a superstar/Dawn has always been here/Connor has always lived with his middle-class suburban family. But if Twilight has access to a spell so powerful it can make all of humanity ignore the fact they're being hunted and killed on a nightly basis by monsters who live among us and look like us, then the game is already over. Twilight can just wave his hand and cast a spell to make all the Slayers commit suicide. People want to believe what they want to believe. Im sure that people were at least semi aware of their presence in the first place but who knows. Besides, at this point we dont really know how long it is before or after Angel returns from Hell. Angels return could be what shifts the tide back towards Buffys side. 5. Can we please get some hints as to who the REAL Big Bad is this season? Cause it ain't Twilight. Twilight is a pompous twit who flies around in a Darth Vader suit and Mexican luchador mask, talking like a professional wrestler, throwing churches at people like a bad Silver Age supervillain, claiming to want to end magic and vampires and demons while using nothing but magic and vampires and demons, and failing miserably in each and every one of his plots, with the possible and inexplicable exception of Harmony's show and its PR value. He is, so far, the worst Big Bad ever. Which is why I'm increasingly certain he's just a distraction from the real one. I agree with you on this. However, it was difficult to type this because I found this passage hysterical. 6. Speaking of the PR war... is a few sour words from Larry King the full extent of this? I was thinking this whole "vamps good/Slayers bad" thing would lead to Guantanamo Bay and midnight raids, not irate editorials. You would think. But from what we know, nothing is what it seems in the Buffyverse. 7. Satsu calls Kennedy "the other lesbian Slayer." So out of 500+ in the organization... two are gay? Really? Really?I think its just that they are the two closest gay Slayers which are tied to the core group. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 5, 2009 0:26:47 GMT -5
Given that the last line is delivered with the shot of the lipgloss in the trash, I'd say yes, it's probably as literal as that. I say this, coupled with my impression that Satsu's throwing away of the lipgloss is not so much her being over Buffy, but rather taking an active initiative in getting over Buffy (as I mentioned in my long response to your earlier post, which is also what Emmie thinks, incidentally). That's certainly on plot, but I still wonder what it was about that conversation with Buffy that motivated this epiphany. And I'm still scratching my head over why Kennedy thought Buffy might have been expected to discuss the state of her gayness just now, in this venue. |
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Post by wenxina on Feb 5, 2009 0:39:02 GMT -5
That's certainly on plot, but I still wonder what it was about that conversation with Buffy that motivated this epiphany. And I'm still scratching my head over why Kennedy thought Buffy might have been expected to discuss the state of her gayness just now, in this venue. The way I read it, it was the stuff that wasn't said that brought about the epiphany. There were no pleasantries, no "How's Tokyo treatin' ya?". Granted we enter that scene mid-convo, but I doubt that the tone was any different in the earlier segment. Plus, Buffy's closing remark to Satsu was more of a command ("Keep the sub handy. I think we're going to need it."), when she could have at least indicated some tenderness; i.e. telling Satsu to be careful, congratulating her on a mission well-accomplished, etc. And Kennedy's remark about it not being the "hey-guess-what?-you-turned-me-gay" speech was just her saying that even between the lines, there was no love. I don't think it was meant in the way of a literal confession about Buffy's sexual orientation, but more of a "Well, see there... no more romance, you didn't turn her gay, what you had is over, so it's time to move on". |
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Post by Emmie on Feb 5, 2009 1:40:45 GMT -5
Yes. I'm sorry my first contribution here is such a negative-sounding one. The truth is, I love the season 8 comics with an almost inappropriate love, so when one doesn't grab me I guess I kind of react strongly... Bwah! Silly, no no no. It's not negative at all. Discussion is always worthy and you have well thought out reasons for why you feel the way you do about the issue. I've enjoyed it and I'm sure Xi did also. Don't be discouraged. We're always really happy to have anyone who thinks deeply about these issues...of the issue.  So you think Buffy will be the Big Bad? An eight-season heroic journey will end in failure and defeat? I don't know if I could talk myself into enjoying that, even from Joss. Not really sure. But sadly Buffy is going down a corrupt, misguided path. I don't think she'll ultimately be the villain, but... |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 5, 2009 9:20:13 GMT -5
So you think Buffy will be the Big Bad? An eight-season heroic journey will end in failure and defeat? I don't know if I could talk myself into enjoying that, even from Joss. Not really sure. But sadly Buffy is going down a corrupt, misguided path. I don't think she'll ultimately be the villain, but... I'm thinking along the lines of the real villain being Buffy's own paralyzing doubt and isolation. This will lead to the possibility that Twilight could carry off his agenda despite the fact that he's pretty much an unworthy opponent. If there's one thing "Swell" brings home, it's that not only is Buffy not Cookies, but the dough is starting to revert to its original ingredients, and those ingredient are crawling back into the cupboard to wait for their expiration date. Want to travel in outer space? Fall in love with Buffy. The force with which she pushes you away will probably be enough to reach escape velocity. I was hoping Satsu might end up being one of Buffy's lifelines in her final battle with herself (along with Faith, and maybe Willow and maybe Giles), but now it looks to me like they're going to end up on opposite sides. I wish Joss and Drew hadn't made me fall in love with the idea of them together. The fact that All Love Is Tragic is really the thing I like least about JW's storytelling style. |
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 5, 2009 10:57:57 GMT -5
I wouldnt be pleased if Buffy turned out to be the villain. That wouldnt be tasteful after 8 years. (technically more)
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Post by bishopcruz on Feb 5, 2009 11:13:19 GMT -5
It would have had to have happened well over a year ago by this point. No time passed whatsoever in the hell dimension (at least in the real world) so it seems that the actual beginnings of the outing happened in AtF, and Harm just got Vampires themselves into the public eye. It kinda makes sense, because if you notice in S8 there seems to be absolutely no attempt to keep things on the DL, people in Tokyo weren't particularly surprised about the giant battle in the streets for example.
Agree on that last part but I really don' think that Buffy and Satsu are going to end up on different sides, you speak of it as if it were a foregone conclusion.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 5, 2009 12:20:29 GMT -5
Agree on that last part but I really don' think that Buffy and Satsu are going to end up on different sides, you speak of it as if it were a foregone conclusion. I might be misinterpreting the foreshadowing, I suppose. But there's also the fact that (if we accept that Riley is working for Twilight) every single one of Buffy's sexual partners have been her enemy at some point. |
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Post by Malsad on Feb 5, 2009 14:51:16 GMT -5
going off topic for a sec
Wen, did u seriously say
how closed minded of you
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 5, 2009 15:08:06 GMT -5
going off topic for a sec Wen, did u seriously say how closed minded of you didn't say it, one of the Vampy Cats did. Just discussing something that was said in the comic. |
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2009 15:14:10 GMT -5
I enjoyed it, Pat! You're my favorite reviewer. |
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Post by wenxina on Feb 5, 2009 15:23:57 GMT -5
going off topic for a sec Wen, did u seriously say how closed minded of you lol... no... the Vampy Cat in Satsu did. I was quoting, hence the quote marks around the entire section. EDIT: Oh wait... you meant did I just equate the term "conservative" with the whole nonsensical tirade about girls kissing boys and having babies... If that's it, I can see where one may take offense, but I meant conservative as in "modest". The outfit was very traditional, and its significance is very rooted in Japanese culture. So no, I wasn't calling conservatives proponents of the "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" agenda. Though... there are quite a few of those out there too. |
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