Fredikins
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"Occasionally I am callous and strange," Willow.[Mo0:14]
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Post by Fredikins on Oct 16, 2008 0:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 16, 2008 13:01:01 GMT -5
We were talking about masturbation. Is that alowed? Can I even use that word? I'm not sure exactly what was over the top.
I mentioned a sex-toy. Was that what took it over the edge? Can I say "sex-toy"?
And to be honest, other than that I mentioned those two things, I don't remember much else about the post. Perhaps I was more graphic than I remember. Joe, do you remember, you quoted my post, didn't you?
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Post by wenxina on Oct 16, 2008 18:39:45 GMT -5
We were talking about masturbation. Is that alowed? Can I even use that word? I'm not sure exactly what was over the top. I mentioned a sex-toy. Was that what took it over the edge? Can I say "sex-toy"? And to be honest, other than that I mentioned those two things, I don't remember much else about the post. Perhaps I was more graphic than I remember. Joe, do you remember, you quoted my post, didn't you? Here's what I deemed inappropriate. Not the mention of the sex toy, but the gratuitous usage of the term. There's nothing that suggests that Willow used said object in order to reach Saga in #15 (or ever). For one, she was fully-clothed. For another, said object was nowhere to be seen. And finally, the scene was of a meditating Willow; a Willow very much in control, and not flying loose on the throes of having "o" face. So, what I'm essentially saying is that I didn't see your comment (or anyone else's, for that matter) on the sex toy as legitimately extending the conversation. It was just thrown in there for fun (I can't remember who started it, but I don't remember it being you), and then it snowballed from there, again, with no textual grounding whatsoever. I hope I made that clear enough... it may seem like splitting hairs, but I don't think it is. Personal opinion.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 16, 2008 19:06:50 GMT -5
Well said, wenxina. You eloquently expressed how I also view that situation. It was gratuitous use of an extremely adult topic that didn't further the discussion.
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Post by Jsebold87 on Oct 16, 2008 22:49:33 GMT -5
I explained the problem I had with some of your posts awhile back skytte. I deleted one of your 'sexual' posts a couple of times in the games section, because quite frankly that type of talk does NOT belong there. (It was explicit). I mean it's a game room, where many of our younger members visit, and they shouldn't see stuff like that. There was no need for it there, and it wasn't appropriate for the game at all.
Graphic talk about sex, or sexual items is too much for this forum, since anyone can read them. I wouldn't want a 10 year old to be searching through the forum and reading a really graphic post that you or someone else made.
Members should know by now what is appropriate and what isn't.
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Post by itmustbebunnies418 on Oct 17, 2008 2:30:40 GMT -5
I explained the problem I had with some of your posts awhile back skytte. I deleted one of your 'sexual' posts a couple of times in the games section, because quite frankly that type of talk does NOT belong there. (It was explicit). I mean it's a game room, where many of our younger members visit, and they shouldn't see stuff like that. There was no need for it there, and it wasn't appropriate for the game at all. Graphic talk about sex, or sexual items is too much for this forum, since anyone can read them. I wouldn't want a 10 year old to be searching through the forum and reading a really graphic post that you or someone else made. Members should know by now what is appropriate and what isn't. I agree with you on this, but at the same time, Buffy (and Angel) are both very sexual at times, sometime in a graphic sense. If a 10 year old is watching the show(s), I don't see how anything could shock them on this forum.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 17, 2008 11:21:30 GMT -5
I explained the problem I had with some of your posts awhile back skytte. I deleted one of your 'sexual' posts a couple of times in the games section, because quite frankly that type of talk does NOT belong there. (It was explicit). I mean it's a game room, where many of our younger members visit, and they shouldn't see stuff like that. There was no need for it there, and it wasn't appropriate for the game at all. Graphic talk about sex, or sexual items is too much for this forum, since anyone can read them. I wouldn't want a 10 year old to be searching through the forum and reading a really graphic post that you or someone else made. Members should know by now what is appropriate and what isn't. I agree with you on this, but at the same time, Buffy (and Angel) are both very sexual at times, sometime in a graphic sense. If a 10 year old is watching the show(s), I don't see how anything could shock them on this forum. The most important issue here which makes this whole discussion moot is this: our server forbids this type of online discussion that goes into R/NC-17 territory. Whenever there is fanfiction written with sex, it gets an NC-17 warning. If we cross this line, the site could be deleted from our server. So do we want to lose the forum because we engaged in graphic, adult content discussions that involved a minor? Or perhaps it could go even further and one of the parents of a minor could see such material, take offense and report us to legal authorities? Any questions on how seriously bad the issue could become? As for how graphic sexual situations became on BUFFY and ANGEL, in particular BtVS season 6 and AtS season 4, they have PG-13 warnings for the show and the convenient manner of depicting these situations while keeping some scrap of modesty (a sheet positioned here, clothes still on during, never using harsh graphic language to describe the sexual acts). Every single sex scene on these shows had something that kept if from being blatant. Yes, it's clear what they're doing in some scenes, but others were very discreet. For instance, in OMWF when Tara is singing "Complete" and Willow... And the producers were shocked that they got that one by the censors. The show blatantly pushed the censor's boundaries and sometimes got some extremely graphic material through. We don't have the luxury of having our posts' content pre-screened and deemed appropriate by a censor. Something inappropriate gets through, one strike and it's all over, folks. Site gone. Adult content and sexual situations can be discussed, just not graphically. If you are able to not cross that line, than you shouldn't feel restricted.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 17, 2008 12:11:55 GMT -5
Here's what I deemed inappropriate. Not the mention of the sex toy, but the gratuitous usage of the term. There's nothing that suggests that Willow used said object in order to reach Saga in #15 (or ever). For one, she was fully-clothed. For another, said object was nowhere to be seen. And finally, the scene was of a meditating Willow; a Willow very much in control, and not flying loose on the throes of having "o" face. I wasn't talking about the meditation in issue 15, I was asking myself "How did Willow contact Saga in the past?" I used the word **** to give the answer; "Did she please herself?" as an alternative to the question. True, I could have been more proper in the phrasing, but I didn't think it was that big deal. I caught the essense. I was trying to think outside the box. You can't tell me that none of you wonder a little how Willow contacted Saga before. I explained the problem I had with some of your posts awhile back skytte. I deleted one of your 'sexual' posts a couple of times in the games section, because quite frankly that type of talk does NOT belong there. (It was explicit). I mean it's a game room, where many of our younger members visit, and they shouldn't see stuff like that. There was no need for it there, and it wasn't appropriate for the game at all. Graphic talk about sex, or sexual items is too much for this forum, since anyone can read them. I wouldn't want a 10 year old to be searching through the forum and reading a really graphic post that you or someone else made. Members should know by now what is appropriate and what isn't. I'm not complaining about the game-posts that were deleted, looking back at it I can't believe I actually wrote that. I was talking about the posts in one of the Saga&Willow threads, and only that thread. I thought I made that clear in the first post of this thread. And about the server. If the server forbids it, there's nothing to do about it, there's no possibility of a sex-button. Now I know that and accept that no graphic stuff is allowed, but... Adult content and sexual situations can be discussed, just not graphically. If you are able to not cross that line, than you shouldn't feel restricted. I'm asking again; What part of my post was offensive? That I brought self-pleasing into the discussion or the sex toy? Exactly were does the line go? Can I talk about self-pleasing as long as I'm not graphic? Is mentioning a sex toy alowed, as long as you don't give advice on how to use it? I'm pretty sure I said "What , was she using a ***** when she couldn't use Kennedy? Or did she use a third person?" or something like that.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 17, 2008 12:24:10 GMT -5
Skytte,
My recollection of those posts is that there was graphic discussion of sexual acts. I remember being shocked reading that on the forum. It was gratuitious, in my opinion. And then the repeated quoting of that post further showed that the content held a high shock value.
I think I made it clear that graphic discussions of adult material are crossing a line. We have 10-year olds who come on to this site, so the topics you're wishing to discuss are inappropriate for them.
If you want to discuss them with other members who are like-minded, take it to PM's. It doesn't belong on the main forum.
To site the Forum Rules relevant to this discussion:
The posts were depictions of a lewd situation and therefore inappropriate.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 17, 2008 12:33:28 GMT -5
Emmie, is mentioning masturbation at all forbidden? I'm not exactly sure were the line is drawned, even after reading your posts.
And in case I was more graphic than that I mentioned a sex toy, I can't remember that. In case I was specific, I'm sorry. Then I understand why it was deleted. I thought I was vauge.
In case you can remember more exactly what I said, you're welcome to PM me.
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Post by Wyndam on Oct 17, 2008 13:38:54 GMT -5
I think a pretty good rule of thumb that can be applied to this situation is the old saying "when in doubt, leave it out." We shouldn't really have to make a clear cut list of what is or isn't accepted on the forum, as that should be clear. Sexual discussion should not exceed what was seen on the shows, so basically referencing that characters have had sex is perfectly fine, but describing anything in further detail is forbidden. If you have to ask about whether or not a certain subject is allowed for discussion - chances are it isn't.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 17, 2008 16:03:35 GMT -5
If you have to ask about whether or not a certain subject is allowed for discussion - chances are it isn't. Well, that's just it, I didn't think it might be upsetting until it was deleted. In the future I will be more careful. I guess the chatbox got me accustomed to a more liberal language than was allowed. And since we were talking about Willow having sex with Saga, I didn't think it was inappropriate. And I still don't know when I crossed the line. Since none of us can remember the post exactly, I guess we'll never know. In my dreams, my button. In my dreams.
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Post by buffysmglover on Oct 18, 2008 15:57:23 GMT -5
This thread is really a waste of time. If one wants to ensure the safety of his or her membership 100% and still wants to talk dirty, he or she can do it elsewhere. No one is holding a person here for every minute of the day, and there are forums specifically created for that type of discussion.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 24, 2008 10:30:38 GMT -5
This thread is really a waste of time. If one wants to ensure the safety of his or her membership 100% and still wants to talk dirty, he or she can do it elsewhere. No one is holding a person here for every minute of the day, and there are forums specifically created for that type of discussion. Could you be ruder without using name-calling? I started this thread because I like to brain-storm, question rules and maybe create new better ones. If you think this thread is a waste of time, STAY OUT OF IT! No one is forcing you to take part in the discussion, which isn't about "talking dirty" anymore, it is about where the line should be drawn. What I want to know now is exactly how my post was offensive so that I can avoid getting deleted in the future. I have now accepted that the sex-button isn't possible, because of the server-limitations, but I still wonder when I crossed the line, considering that people are talking about blow-jobs in the "Tell me you love me." A Spuffy Fan Club!, including Cowbuyguy, and no post has been deleted. From what I remember, I wasn't more graphic than the posts in that thread. That really pisses me of. Mainly your "This thread is really a waste of time"-comment, a opinion you should have kept to yourself, and also that we can write about blow-jobs but not masturbation. I'm almost sorry for losing my temper Tim, everyone, but I needed to get it out.
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Post by Kara on Oct 24, 2008 18:45:56 GMT -5
Well I'm assuming since blow jobs were pretty obvious in one scene of Buffy then it's okay. We didn't talk about it in detail. We just mentioned it. Seems different to me. Then again I have no idea what you said. Don't you remember?
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Post by SlayerLV on Oct 24, 2008 23:01:01 GMT -5
Kara you are right, the discussion in the Spuffy thread is OK because in the scenes it was obvious and there was no graphic detail mentioned. What Sky had talked about and got posts deleted was graphic and in no way obvious or even clued to what could possibly happened.
OK now I'm gonna stop talking about this and leave it up to the other mods to decide what should be done with this thread.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 4:01:27 GMT -5
1. In case we mention blow jobs, then we should be able to mention masturbation, even if there was no scene with it in Buffy, because they're both ecually naughty. 2. I don't remember more than I said in the other posts; I asked "Maybe Willow used a ****. She didn't cheat because she was ***********" or something to that effect. Maybe I'm wrong and I was graphic. I just don't remember it that way. 3. SlayerLV, you seem to remember what I wrote in the Saga&Willow-thread. Could you answer the question I must have asked a million times by now; "What exactly did I say? How did I cross the line? Was I really that detailed?" 4. OK now I'm gonna stop talking about this and leave it up to the other mods to decide what should be done with this thread. STOP PICKING ON MY THREAD! So what, because I have questions that I want answered, my thread will be locked? Because that's what you're implying, isn't it??? if I don't stand in line, I will be punished? It's not like I'm breaking the rules, I'm just discussing them. And If you don't like my thread, don't read it. Simple as that. There's no need for it to be locked, or for you guys to say it's a waste of time.
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Post by Jsebold87 on Oct 25, 2008 11:51:21 GMT -5
First of all quit attacking the moderators. They have rights to say what they want to say here, just because you don't like what they have to say doesn't mean they shouldn't post here. You've written a lot of stuff a lot of us don't like, and yet we have to read it (moderators have to read all that goes on here to the best of their ability, so excuse us for doing our jobs and reading topics that we're supposed to), and well you're wanting answers but you're just apparently not liking what we have to say on the matter. You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand where the boundaries are on this topic.
You are not supposed to go into explicit content, as in describing in detail sexual acts. I'm not sure what you've written in that 1 particular thread, but I've seen other times where you've crossed the line to know enough that it probably was explicit enough.
I really think it is common sense what you can post or not. You have to remember this is a forum where 10 year olds can come to read posts, a lot of young people come here. I would hate for my 12 year old cousin to come on here and read some of the things that you've posted, let alone have their parent see the content that's been posted and report our forum to proboards and then our board would be magically gone one day. Plus not to mention the effect the sexual posts could have on a young kid.
And no explicit sex talk is not allowed in the chatbox. The same rules go for the chatbox as the rest of the forum, the problem is that there isn't a moderator on here 24 hours a day to moderate what is said there, but when we do see something that's out of hand the appropriate actions are taken. As to my knowledge, the chatbox has improved quite a bit in the past few days.
So please try to be kinder to the moderators here. We're not here to irritate you, we want to make sure this board functions properly, and we spend a lot of our own time doing it. Just show some respect. We're all entitled to our opinions.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 12:39:58 GMT -5
I did attack the buffysmglover & SlayerLV, true. But what would you do if someone posted this in one of your custom-threads ”I don't like this custom, this thread it a waste of space. I'll just leave it alone and see what the mods will do about it.” In case you don't yell back, I'll admire you and call you a saint, but don't tell me that they don't deserve to be yelled at. I accept constructive critisism, not inconsiderate whining. Who likes to hear that their thoughts and questions doesn't matter? And what I wrote in the Saga & Willow thread was not as excplit as in the game-thread. Have you not read my posts in this thread, explaining what I remember from the post? And " probably was explicit enough"? How dare you judge a post you haven't seen? How can you be so intolerant? I remember only one other post that have been deleted, the one in the game-thread, and I do think I apologised for that. I did learn from that experience. I have read and understood, as I have confirmed over and over in this thread, that details are not accepted. Why do you drag that up? Why do you mention, and several others of you, that it's common sense, kids an be hurt, when I have aknowledge those facts and written that I will be more careful in the future? A ”quick” summary; I'm not complaining about the game-posts that were deleted, looking back at it I can't believe I actually wrote that. I was talking about the posts in one of the Saga&Willow threads, and only that thread. I thought I made that clear in the first post of this thread. And about the server. If the server forbids it, there's nothing to do about it, there's no possibility of a sex-button. Now I know that and accept that no graphic stuff is allowed, but... And in case I was more graphic than that I mentioned a sex toy, I can't remember that. In case I was specific, I'm sorry. Then I understand why it was deleted. I thought I was vauge. If you have to ask about whether or not a certain subject is allowed for discussion - chances are it isn't. Well, that's just it, I didn't think it might be upsetting until it was deleted. In the future I will be more careful. No one is forcing you to take part in the discussion, which isn't about "talking dirty" anymore, it is about where the line should be drawn. What I want to know now is exactly how my post was offensive so that I can avoid getting deleted in the future. I have now accepted that the sex-button isn't possible, because of the server-limitations, As you see, I have said I'm sorry, multiple times and tried to figure out what I did wrong, so I can't do it again. Why can't anyone see that? Why do you all think I still want to write perverted stuff? The thread has moved on from that, but no one seems to get that, you all repeat each other and I'm tired of defending myself. I know that no details are allowed, no sex in the chatbox either, I know that now, I just want to know if anyone remember what was said in the post. I do understand your answers, and a lot of it makes sense, but there's no need to "threathen" and belittle the thread. You tell me to show respect when Tim basiclly tells me my thoughts and opinions are a waste of space, and several you just seem to skim though my posts and write the first thing that comes to mind, without seeing that we are all stuck in a circle. Btw, for your misunderstanding earlier in this thread, where you were talking about the game-thread instead of the Saga&Willow-thread, I accept your apology. Oh wait, I didn't get one. I know that irony isn't the best answer, and I know you are just trying to be a good mod J, as the others, but you are being prejudiced and tiring. I really don't want to repeat myself again, so please, if anyone has any constructive critisim (negative comments will be yelled at), be sure that I have not already addressed that issue.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Oct 25, 2008 12:56:54 GMT -5
Wow, blow-it-out-of-proportion much?
Want a clear answer?
Here ya go:
DON'T mention dildos, and masturbation in specifics.
There are ways to suggest it, without flat out saying it. You could have easily said 'Could she please herself to get to Saga?'
Don't be rude to the moderators and other members who have taken time to respond to this (multiple times).
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