Chosen Question

[ladyparasyte]

Okay in the finale at the end we see girls across the globe becoming slayers.
Well, that seems to me that the first wasn't trying very hard to erase the Slayer line and wasn't even close to ending it.
Any thoughts?

[destor]

I think that everytime I see it. Wasn't very well thought out. If they couldn't find the heavy girl who couldn't get off her couch who else did they miss?

[willowswarlok]

yeh thats very true
theres lots of questions about chosen too
i mean, uno when buffy and buffy-first have the face off
and shes like "this mortal wound is all itchy" then Buffy tells her to "get out of her face" the first looks startled and like, backs off. so im wondering.

did the first achieve corporealisation even for a second. maybe at that point, evil was winning (the slayers were dying, buffy was on the floor) was the first actually in a corporeal state? but when buffy fought back and spike killed all the ubervamps, did it loose its "solidness"?

if any of the makes sense.

its just the look the first gives buffy when she tell her to get out of her face. why would an untouchable thing back off?

Wayne

[destor]

And destroy the Hellmouth...

[Ethros]

^ There is another one in Cleveland...

[artiswar]

For starters, the montage at the end of potential slayers (which was unbearably cheesey) seemed to me like most of them were too young to become slayers, at least some of them, like the girl playing baseball. Then again, it's not impossible to think that the Bringers would have missed a few. I mean, they only show them killing a few girls, but in reality how many potentials have they killed? My guess: several hundred to thousands. So it wouldn't be so weird that some were missed.

I think The First backed off because of her sheer determination, even when she should have been dead. But anyway, I think the main purpose was to destroy the first's army, cause without it he's basically screwed and cant infect every human on earth. so he was basically put back to square one. then again, it's possible the first was destroyed by Wolfram and Hart's amulet since they passed it on take care of their competition. they didn't want some hack taking their apocalypse so the amulet was their master plan to take it out of the picture, so it's possible that the amulet destroyed the first.

[artiswar]

Also, the whole 'shaking off the mortal wound' thing was retarded and always bugs me, but if I were to explain it, it would be like this: Season 7 is meant to come full circle from season 1. I think buffy's 'comeback' from the brink of death is a touch on Prophecy Girl. But anyway, I think the forces that brought her back to like in that episode and made her stronger, intervened again. These could be the same forces that allowed Angel to get into Kate's apartment without an invite, and protected Connor inside of Darla from any harm.

[Wyndam]

The First's army was destroyed, that was really the only way that Buffy could "fight" it.

[henzINNIT]

Yeah I hated that the potentials went from "just a handful" to what? 1800 was it in Season 8? The first was laaaaazy.

[ladyparasyte]

artiswar said:

Also, the whole 'shaking off the mortal wound' thing was retarded and always bugs me, but if I were to explain it, it would be like this: Season 7 is meant to come full circle from season 1. I think buffy's 'comeback' from the brink of death is a touch on Prophecy Girl. But anyway, I think the forces that brought her back to like in that episode and made her stronger, intervened again. These could be the same forces that allowed Angel to get into Kate's apartment without an invite, and protected Connor inside of Darla from any harm.

You know I thought him entering was due to other forces at work until I watched that episode again with my boyfriend and he was like"Oh, was she dead for minute?"

[Wyndam]

ladyparasyte said:

artiswar said:

Also, the whole 'shaking off the mortal wound' thing was retarded and always bugs me, but if I were to explain it, it would be like this: Season 7 is meant to come full circle from season 1. I think buffy's 'comeback' from the brink of death is a touch on Prophecy Girl. But anyway, I think the forces that brought her back to like in that episode and made her stronger, intervened again. These could be the same forces that allowed Angel to get into Kate's apartment without an invite, and protected Connor inside of Darla from any harm.

You know I thought him entering was due to other forces at work until I watched that episode again with my boyfriend and he was like"Oh, was she dead for minute?"

I think Kate says it herself that she never died. Plus if she had died, then I don't think Angel holding her underneath a shower head would have revived her. There were certainly other forces at work when Angel saved her.

[Ethros]

She wasn't dead, it was implied the Powers That Be let Angel in to save her

I'm not sure if it was the PTB who were protecting Connor in the womb though, as the whole purpose of Connor's existence was to father Jasmine, and bring about the apocalypse enslaving mankind.
I think it was Jasmine's power protecting Darla & ickle Connor

[Lukee]

When you reach a certain age didn't they once say that its near impossible for a the girl to be chosen? Your best chances are like when your 15 to like 17 or something. So maybe the first didn't bother trying with the older slayers to bes?
I think it would be pretty hard for the bringers to kill all the P.S their would be no way really of finding them all. Plus we saw our selfs their was not that many bringers really. And the first couldn't kill them its self.

Also the First backing of from Buffy could have just been shock of some kind seeing her still fighting for her stand when she was down. Maybe it knew then it was going lose.

Also the whole point was that Buffy couldn't fight the first. It cant be killed. So when its army was killed it went away again hiding my guess is. Until it will strike again.

[BennyTheKey]

Wow, never thought of that, maybe it was because they wouldnt bother killing potentials so far away ? they would kill them all in sunnydale and w/e then once the First's army was complete released them, then they woulda died anyway ?

Writing that ^ made me think what was the point in the bringers, yeah i know to kill off the slayer line, but if they just made an army of uber vamps and released them, they would have all died !

[Skytteflickan88]

destor said:

I think that everytime I see it. Wasn't very well thought out. If they couldn't find the heavy girl who couldn't get off her couch who else did they miss?

I can't remember that girl... Is she in the comics?

[Slayer489]

Of course they would have missed a few! If they got them all I would of been shocked and it would of been a little unrealistic. And I think that Lukee is right in what he said about The First. It could of seen that it was going to lose and was shocked by how determined Buffy was.

[Skytteflickan88]

Perhaps there are different degrees of potential in people.

First degree: Rona, Kennedy,etc
Second degree: the ones the first missed but Willow detected because she had a connection with the schyte.

Perhaps the seconds were too powerless to be detected by the first, or to weak for him to care about.

It's a theory.

[dane5by5]

I always thought The First killed most of the potentials that had been located and trained by the Watchers Council. Giles said "there's only a handful left and they're on their way to Sunnydale" and now there are almost 2000, so thousands of girls had the potential to become a Slayer, just some exhibited it more than others and they were the ones located and trained and therefore the ones The First killed. That explanation also works on a more metaphorical/symbolic level and ties in with the theme of female empowerment that was an overarching theme in Buffy. More girls/women had the inner potential to become Slayers than anyone knew or expected.

I also don't think the montage at the end of Chosen was cheesy. I thought it was a really nice touch to the episode.

[wenxina]

Apr 10, 2008 10:21:51 GMT -5 dane5by5 said:

I always thought The First killed most of the potentials that had been located and trained by the Watchers Council. Giles said "there's only a handful left and they're on their way to Sunnydale" and now there are almost 2000, so thousands of girls had the potential to become a Slayer, just some exhibited it more than others and they were the ones located and trained and therefore the ones The First killed. That explanation also works on a more metaphorical/symbolic level and ties in with the theme of female empowerment that was an overarching theme in Buffy. More girls/women had the inner potential to become Slayers than anyone knew or expected.

I also don't think the montage at the end of Chosen was cheesy. I thought it was a really nice touch to the episode.

Agreed for pretty much the most part. I once made a comment about how being the First was grand and all, but it must have been a pain to not have corporeal hands as that would've made flipping through the Watchers' Council address book that much easier.
But in any case, it's perfectly logical that not all the girls would have been identified... new ones pop up every day, and since the Council was blown up by the earlier half of the season, it's not like they could've sent their operatives to collect the girls. In fact, it was probably good that they didn't... it's like having a tracer on your rear .
To go with your metaphorical/symbolic statement, I'll also add that Buffy's plan defied hundreds of generations of rules set by the Shadowmen. Instead of saying only one girl at a time was worthy of the gift, she said that anyone who had the potential, would be chosen, given purpose and destiny... things which people find so lacking in their lives. Hence, the whole women empowerment message.
I thought it was a great way to end a series that's been about flouting gender stereotypes.

[postitnote]

I always see it this way: these girls weren't defined as potentials yet, though it was underlying, so the First would have no way of knowing without the definition.

The girls in the montage were obviously incorporated outside the potential framework (shown at home, school, without a watcher, not training, scared, worried, beaten), so those particular girls shown were not yet placed, while the ones that the bringers (and the first) attacked were those that were already aware/defined/labeled as potentials. There will obviously be more than the Coven or Watchers could find. After all, wasn't that the whole purpose behind Buffy? That she wasn't found as a potential until she was grown up?? Then, bam...she's the slayer.