Evil is evil.

[Skytteflickan88]

Evil is evil right, no matter what form it is in?

I'm all for the death penalty, and so is obviously Buffy and our other heroes, since they're killing demons, sometimes without good enough reasons(okay, mostly it's just beating up demons without cause).
I bet it hasn't passed anyone that the scoobies are rascists. They're all; "You're a demon? You die?. Oh, you're human? You can go, unless we have enough evidence to send you to trial".

Here are some examples, on the top of my head;
Some assembly required, Buffy, season 2.
Eric & Chris. Chris needs to be in a mental hospital, I can give him a second chance, But Eric, that camera-freak needs to be put down.
Lie to me, Buffy, season 2.
Buffy should have kicked Ford's ass when she found out that he locked them in there, but she looked as if she just thought that therapy would set him straight.
Help, Buffy, season 7
I seriosuly doubt that Buffy killed those guys that were trying to sacrifice Cassie.
Doppelgängland, Buffy, season 3.
No matter how much I came to feel for the character, Anya should have been killed back then. Willow was almost killed by that bitch and Anya must have killed more people than Angelus & Spike put togheter, but no, she's a human, a girl, so naturally, she gets a second chance, after a millenia of slaughter.
Shells, Angel, season 5
Knox. Need I say more? Wesley took care of him, but later on in the season, Wesley showed regret over this, which I think is unnessacary. Human and admirable, but unnessacary.
A new man, Buffy, season 4.
Giles haves a drink with they guy who almost got Buffy killed on Halloween, who almost let those babies be eaten in Band Candy. I bet Giles knows about a lot of other sins of Ethan's as well.
The gift, Buffy, season 5.
Buffy wanted to let Ben live, but thank good Giles stepped up.
Lies my parents told me, Buffy, season 7.
I think Robin and Giles should have atleast been sent away, if not killed. Buffy had to trust her people right? Although Giles made a good point, Spike was a danger, but with Giles contacts he could have put Spike in a temporary coma and sent him of to one of his contacts for safekeeping, until the war was over. He would have done it with a potentially dangerous human.

I myself can't think like that. Evil is evil, if demons deserve to die, then humans do too. The racisim didn't pass Joss either, as anyone who watched That old gang of mine (season 3, Angel) could see which adresses the fact that goods guys are sometimes acting like bad guys and that demons can be the cutest innocent things (I love the slurpy-demon).

I understand why they don't want to kill people, hell, my uncle was a rapist and I didn't kill him, although I wanted to laugh ot loud when he died of skeletoncancer(I'm counting on that his fosterchild didn't lie).

I was mostly afraid to get caught tough, it wasn't just my conscience. They scoobies shouldn't be, they've been getting away for murder for years. They could clean the street of molesters and murderers, but nay, they choose to be racists. I get the need to side with your own specie, but it doesn't make it right.

You can say; "Let a jury decide" and perhaps they're will be a conviction. Then, after a while, the humans might be let out on the streets again. But demons, they don't get a second chance. A demons who looks like it might want to kill or hurt people is dead, a human gets a speech.

The scoobies are just humans I know, and mercy is a great gift, but not everyone deserves it.


You're thought on this? Don't hesitate to argue anything in my list, I expect this to be a pretty open thread.

[artiswar]

My impression has always been that Buffy's main goal is to fight for mankind. She doesn't kill vamps and demons everyday because they're evil but because they pose a threat to mankind. This is why she let's Spike and Anya live and so on. She is the champion of humans, so to speak.

[commandercool]

Evil is not evil. Which is to say, evil is not just evil. There are shades of evil. Kind of like white housepaint.

[Emmie]

Right. Buffy's understanding of her duty is to kill demons and protect humans. Even evil humans. She's the champion of humanity. The slayer is needed to fight demons because human society can't handle them nor are they even really aware of them. There's no societal structure to deal with demons, but there is for human criminals. What really needed to happen was a lot more scenes with phone calls to the police.

[Whedon Fan]

Faith was evil but then turned back to good. The things she done was evil but you could easily argue that she was being manipulated by The Mayor.

[balesthebloody]

The world is not black and white. It is full of shades of gray!

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 20, 2008 14:05:11 GMT -5 commandercool said:

Evil is not evil. Which is to say, evil is not just evil. There are shades of evil. Kind of like white housepaint.

Jun 20, 2008 15:28:13 GMT -5 balesthebloody said:

The world is not black and white. It is full of shades of gray!

I meant that "Evil is who evil does", that it doesn't matter if the person is human or not, an evil deed is an evil deed.

And as Emmie said, more phone calls to police would have been good.

And of course there is shades. For example, I'd rather be tortured by Spike than Angelus any day, not only because Spike would get bored faster, but also because Angelus is more evil.

The world isn't black and white, but sometimes you have to take a step back and say; "Okay, that person/demon is to dark gray/evil and needs to be killed, for all our saftey".

[Skytteflickan88]

Jun 20, 2008 14:47:54 GMT -5 Whedon Fan said:

Faith was evil but then turned back to good. The things she done was evil but you could easily argue that she was being manipulated by The Mayor.

Faith is a hard case. In season 3, I was all for killing her before she killed someon else. But apperently, Angel, Buffy and the others saw what I didn't see, that Faith was in denial and not in touch with her conscience. Now when I look back, I see that she was nice, but desperate to belong.

She killed two people in cold blood, a demon and a human and almost killed Angel and wanted to kill Willow, etcetc, but I don't think I could say today that she should have been killed. It would have been the best option at the time, but considering the good that she has done, I want her alive.