The battle of the chatbox.

[Skytteflickan88]

I had a very interesting discussion in the chatbox just a few minutes ago, and I wanted to post it here. Remember to read it from the bottom, and perhaps contribute with your opinion.

Btw. If you read the whole thing; WOW.


4 Aug 08, 07:45
Skytteflickan88: okay, I'll leave it at this: "Until proven that all demon-species are evi, I will not judge (i'm not counting vamps). pee-pee was a victim of Angel's cause, and i think Angel is aweful. Th end"

4 Aug 08, 07:45
angelsgirl: its worth a shot!

4 Aug 08, 07:45
Danner: Kim, did you see Emmie's first ad suggestion, though?

4 Aug 08, 07:45
kimtaro: *shrugs*

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: pointless?

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: what's the word I'm looking for

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: I think petitions are...uh,....

4 Aug 08, 07:44
angelsgirl: Yeah, Danner, petition great!

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: GRRRRRRRRR

4 Aug 08, 07:44
Danner: NEW PETITION.

4 Aug 08, 07:44
angelsgirl: Aaaarrrgggggh!!!!!!

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: regardless of how they live their lives

4 Aug 08, 07:44
Danner: So. New petition! I'm excited!

4 Aug 08, 07:44
kimtaro: Demons are just evil by nature.

4 Aug 08, 07:43
kimtaro: ugh.

4 Aug 08, 07:43
Skytteflickan88: bye KOC, thanks for the discussion

4 Aug 08, 07:43
Danner: Or I'll explode!

4 Aug 08, 07:43
Danner: Change topic!

4 Aug 08, 07:43
angelsgirl: bye King

4 Aug 08, 07:43
KingofCretins: later skytte

4 Aug 08, 07:43
Skytteflickan88: angelsgirl, you don't know that. And kim, how do you define evil? I have never seen Lorne kill an innocent.

4 Aug 08, 07:43
KingofCretins: later angelsgirl

4 Aug 08, 07:43
KingofCretins: thanks sexy foot

4 Aug 08, 07:43
KingofCretins: later Danner

4 Aug 08, 07:43
KingofCretins: later kim

4 Aug 08, 07:43
kimtaro: *smoochies*

4 Aug 08, 07:43
Danner: Bye KoC!

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: <3

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: I love you KoC!

4 Aug 08, 07:42
KingofCretins: later

4 Aug 08, 07:42
KingofCretins: have fun with this

4 Aug 08, 07:42
KingofCretins: okay, I'm gonna go to the garage

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: besides Spike and Angel

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: What demons have souls?

4 Aug 08, 07:42
angelsgirl: Demons don't have a soul, they have no conscience so whether or not they don't kill to start with, they will probably kill at some point!

4 Aug 08, 07:42
Skytteflickan88: Kim, how do you know that they come from hell?

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: just cuz he is civil doesn't mean he's not evil

4 Aug 08, 07:42
Danner: Even if they have souls, Kim?

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: he's a DEMON

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: Lorne is evil too

4 Aug 08, 07:42
kimtaro: hell = evil

4 Aug 08, 07:42
Skytteflickan88: Kim, what about lorne? if you want the rest of the arguments, scroo down. i don't have the eneergy to go over it again.

4 Aug 08, 07:41
kimtaro: they come from hell dimensions

4 Aug 08, 07:41
kimtaro: All demons are evil, Clem or not

4 Aug 08, 07:41
Danner: Yeah, I'd think that Drogyn is a more important topic moral-wise. xD

4 Aug 08, 07:41
angelsgirl: Drogyn was most definitely a pillar of good!

4 Aug 08, 07:41
Skytteflickan88: we can discuss him too, if you wanna.

4 Aug 08, 07:41
angelsgirl: ditto??!!!

4 Aug 08, 07:41
kimtaro: all demons are evil

4 Aug 08, 07:41
KingofCretins: which still boggles me that Pee Pee was more worth discussing than Drogyn, the Battlebrand

4 Aug 08, 07:41
Danner: Wow...

4 Aug 08, 07:40
angelsgirl: this whole discussion basically started with the rights and wrongs of Angel killing pee-pee

4 Aug 08, 07:40
Skytteflickan88: I am not going along with this "kill all the dmones you see"idea. I could kill a hundred demons and still feel shit about the one that didn't deserve it.

4 Aug 08, 07:40
Danner: I'm tempted, but I doubt it'd come out well.

4 Aug 08, 07:40
kimtaro: eh?

4 Aug 08, 07:40
KingofCretins: kim, skytte is a demon rights activist

4 Aug 08, 07:40
kimtaro: I'm gonna make a banner!!!

4 Aug 08, 07:39
Skytteflickan88: Now, I am open to the possibility.

4 Aug 08, 07:39
Danner: -Is excited about the new petition-

4 Aug 08, 07:39
kimtaro: what are we talking about???

4 Aug 08, 07:39
KingofCretins: and now argue in its defense

4 Aug 08, 07:39
KingofCretins: you've placed it there

4 Aug 08, 07:39
KingofCretins: he certainly never wrote of it

4 Aug 08, 07:39
KingofCretins: the demon culture you're describing doesn't exist in Joss' franchise

4 Aug 08, 07:39
kimtaro: YAY!

4 Aug 08, 07:39
kimtaro: *hugs Danner*

4 Aug 08, 07:39
Skytteflickan88: Yes, the intro explained that Buffy would be fighting demons. You're point being? It's proves nothing.

4 Aug 08, 07:39
Danner: KIM! <3

4 Aug 08, 07:38
angelsgirl: oh yes...big debate!

4 Aug 08, 07:38
kimtaro: <3


4 Aug 08, 07:38
kimtaro:

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: period

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: "the vampires, the demons, and the forces of darkness" -- three faces of evil

4 Aug 08, 07:38
angelsgirl: they're having a very deep discussion!

4 Aug 08, 07:38
Skytteflickan88: Hey kim, hope we don't scare you away.

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: hey kim

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: not Buffy

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: that's in the show to tell the AUDIENCE what the rules are

4 Aug 08, 07:38
kimtaro: *waits for KoC*

4 Aug 08, 07:38
KingofCretins: Skytte, you're denying the narrative integrity of why that's in the show

4 Aug 08, 07:37
Skytteflickan88: The dmosn came against her, she defended herself.

4 Aug 08, 07:37
Skytteflickan88: That book was writen by the council. The council are a bunch of bigots.

4 Aug 08, 07:37
KingofCretins: did she have to? nope

4 Aug 08, 07:37
KingofCretins: Skytte, did she *know* that demon in "Older and Far Away" was evil?

4 Aug 08, 07:37
KingofCretins: Skytte, even the old Giles intro to episodes pretty much throws your theory of a large and peacable demon population under the bus

4 Aug 08, 07:37
kimtaro: hi angelsgirl

4 Aug 08, 07:36
Skytteflickan88: King, that was silly said, she goes after the evil ones, not the slow ones. be reasonable.

4 Aug 08, 07:36
angelsgirl: hey Kim

4 Aug 08, 07:36
KingofCretins: no, she's pretty much looking for ones that don't run faster than she does

4 Aug 08, 07:36
kimtaro: hello!

4 Aug 08, 07:36
Skytteflickan88: If she was a DEMON HEALER, we would have seen nice demons.

4 Aug 08, 07:35
KingofCretins: salvageable demons are the extraordinarily rare exception unless or until he decides to present anything like the world you're imagining

4 Aug 08, 07:35
Skytteflickan88: He didn't say that all demons are evil right? And the show is called Buffy the vampire SLAYER. of course she is looking for the bad demons, not the good ones.

4 Aug 08, 07:35
KingofCretins: he never did

4 Aug 08, 07:35
KingofCretins: don't you think?

4 Aug 08, 07:35
Skytteflickan88: Show itself?

4 Aug 08, 07:35
KingofCretins: if Joss had conceived of a world where as much as 30 or 40 or 60% of demons were "okay", he'd have... brought it up at least ONCE

4 Aug 08, 07:34
angelsgirl: yeah, first example that came to mind

4 Aug 08, 07:34
Skytteflickan88: from the prom?

4 Aug 08, 07:34
KingofCretins: Skytte, I do simply because the show itself could care less about this moral dilemma you've invented

4 Aug 08, 07:34
Skytteflickan88: Hell hounds?

4 Aug 08, 07:34
Skytteflickan88: You don't know if that statistic ir right.

4 Aug 08, 07:34
angelsgirl: so for example...Hell Hounds, should we wait and see it licks or bites before we kill it?

4 Aug 08, 07:33
KingofCretins: Skytte, more like "all but one or two people in this city of 3 million have raped and killed"

4 Aug 08, 07:33
Skytteflickan88: You're acting like those evil-demons. they see a human, they eat it. you see a demon, you kill it. Shouldn't we try to be better???

4 Aug 08, 07:32
Skytteflickan88: Now I'm not. it's like saying, 2a lot of people in this family have killed /rapedothers, let's kill everyone in the family"

4 Aug 08, 07:32
KingofCretins: you're treating it as they she would

4 Aug 08, 07:32
angelsgirl: so Buffy should stop everyone she sees and ask them if they are evil?

4 Aug 08, 07:32
KingofCretins: she doesn't get to know it's Lorne before she asks if it's Lorne

4 Aug 08, 07:32
KingofCretins: if she had stopped and asked the green skinned red-eyed horned demon if it was evil, it might HAVE BEEN and killed her

4 Aug 08, 07:31
KingofCretins: you're looking at it with a ridiculous benefit of hindsight

4 Aug 08, 07:31
angelsgirl: look at Selfless...Anay killed a dozen people...Buffy went to kill her!

4 Aug 08, 07:31
Skytteflickan88: It's not. if she had stopped, asked him "are you evil" it could have been avoided. it's not an accident if you don't care about the consequesnces.

4 Aug 08, 07:31
KingofCretins: the demons worth keeping around live in harm's way, that's just how it is

4 Aug 08, 07:30
KingofCretins: not a moral wrong

4 Aug 08, 07:30
KingofCretins: skytte, an unfortunate accident

4 Aug 08, 07:30
angelsgirl: that vamp had already shown his intentions

4 Aug 08, 07:30
KingofCretins: sigh

4 Aug 08, 07:30
Skytteflickan88: if Bufy killed Lorne, because she saw him walking on the street, you would be pissed, wouldn't you?

4 Aug 08, 07:30
KingofCretins: actually, if Buffy followed that, Willow dies in the pilot

4 Aug 08, 07:29
angelsgirl: Like i said before...buffy followed your theory of waiting to see if they did something bad

4 Aug 08, 07:29
Skytteflickan88: He's also part human, the specie to love to kill what whe don't understand. remember the crusades, terrorists and witch-burnings?

4 Aug 08, 07:29
KingofCretins: Buffy can kill any damn demon she wants

4 Aug 08, 07:29
KingofCretins: not her moral obligation not to

4 Aug 08, 07:29
KingofCretins: but it's her prerogative

4 Aug 08, 07:28
KingofCretins: not even Buffy killed all the demons she saw

4 Aug 08, 07:28
KingofCretins: Groo is part demon, and throws himself into the categorical killing of demons happily

4 Aug 08, 07:28
Skytteflickan88: I can't remember a bad kill Buffy did, only Angel. But he didn't kill all demons he saw. remember the demon-brothel in season 1?

4 Aug 08, 07:27
angelsgirl: I'm sure the kittens would see it differently

4 Aug 08, 07:27
KingofCretins: they're all demons who would disagree with you about the unilateral killing choices Buffy or Angel make

4 Aug 08, 07:27
Skytteflickan88: As long as demons settle with eating kittens, I'm fine with it. As long as they don't eat humans or other intelligent beings (other demons for example).

4 Aug 08, 07:26
Skytteflickan88: What about lorne and doyle and clem telling it's alright?

4 Aug 08, 07:26
angelsgirl: Animals have to kill to survive...they don't know any better

4 Aug 08, 07:26
Skytteflickan88: Huh?

4 Aug 08, 07:26
angelsgirl: Humans have no need to kill to live anymore! We're more advanced than that!

4 Aug 08, 07:25
KingofCretins: they know they are the *extraordinarily* rare exception

4 Aug 08, 07:25
Skytteflickan88: True. Humans kill to live. But can anyone blame us for rotting for our own specie?

4 Aug 08, 07:25
KingofCretins: it doesn't help your case that even demons don't agree with you. You never heard a word of uncertainty from Lorne, or Doyle, or Clem about who the champions killed and why

4 Aug 08, 07:24
KingofCretins: most enough of the time to use the rule of thumb

4 Aug 08, 07:24
Skytteflickan88: Yes. it's all gray. Demon=evil isn't true, not all the time.

4 Aug 08, 07:24
angelsgirl: Part of the circle of life is to kill to survive

4 Aug 08, 07:24
KingofCretins: that's how the taxonomy works, after all

4 Aug 08, 07:24
KingofCretins: vertabrates

4 Aug 08, 07:24
KingofCretins: sure

4 Aug 08, 07:24
Skytteflickan88: I mean, cat to a bird?

4 Aug 08, 07:24
angelsgirl: grey

4 Aug 08, 07:24
Skytteflickan88: A lot. as i said, vampires aare one race... OF THOUSANDS. Would you compare a cat to a lion?

4 Aug 08, 07:23
angelsgirl: nothing is black or white...its all gray!

4 Aug 08, 07:23
KingofCretins: What about Artode, the Pylean-skin-jacket wearing demon?

4 Aug 08, 07:23
KingofCretins: what sense does that make?

4 Aug 08, 07:23
KingofCretins: but that's it

4 Aug 08, 07:23
KingofCretins: so you're willing to draw a categorical line for vampires

4 Aug 08, 07:23
Skytteflickan88: As I said, Spike should have been killed. I was so mad at the scoobioes thtrough the whole season 4-6.

4 Aug 08, 07:23
angelsgirl: Had no soul for 3 years but was still fighting on the side of good!

4 Aug 08, 07:22
angelsgirl: Spike??

4 Aug 08, 07:22
Skytteflickan88: As i said, vampires are a safe kill. Because so far, everysouless demon we have ever seen has been evil

4 Aug 08, 07:22
angelsgirl: Spike tried to eat here several times!

4 Aug 08, 07:22
KingofCretins: gotta give him the benefit of the doubt, after all

4 Aug 08, 07:22
KingofCretins: surely not everyone will be emotionally vulnerable around him

4 Aug 08, 07:22
KingofCretins: just because she opened up

4 Aug 08, 07:21
Skytteflickan88: Why, Holden tried to eat her?

4 Aug 08, 07:21
angelsgirl: I'm a vegetarian!

4 Aug 08, 07:21
KingofCretins: I suppose she should have let Holden leave, too

4 Aug 08, 07:21
Skytteflickan88: Chinese peopel eat kittens. And we eat adorable cows. your pint being?

4 Aug 08, 07:21
KingofCretins: you're so far out to lunch on this

4 Aug 08, 07:21
angelsgirl: the difference between Buffy and Angel is that Buffy tended to wait for something bad to happen, Angel was more pro-active (and experienced) he just did what needed to be done!

4 Aug 08, 07:20
Skytteflickan88: They diodn't seem friendly, but she shouldn't have killed them, because as far as she knew, they had never hurt anyone.

4 Aug 08, 07:20
KingofCretins: no big deal

4 Aug 08, 07:20
KingofCretins: but, again, if Buffy had gotten bored and cleared the room in "Life Serial"... oh well

4 Aug 08, 07:20
angelsgirl: anyone who eats kittens deserves to die!



4 Aug 08, 07:19
KingofCretins: Skytte, no because she watched the silly bastard play kitten poker

4 Aug 08, 07:19
Skytteflickan88: If he had atathced, what else could she do?

4 Aug 08, 07:19
KingofCretins: angelsgirl... if he'd been that stupid and ended up a pile of dust, she'd have had nothing to feel bad about

4 Aug 08, 07:19
Skytteflickan88: She has learned. She didn't kill Clem right? because she hadn't meet his specie before, so she didn't immedialty assume EVIL

4 Aug 08, 07:18
angelsgirl: If Angel had come at her in Welcome to the Hellmouth with his vamp face on, should she just have killed him???

4 Aug 08, 07:18
Skytteflickan88: We're 8 years after season 1.

4 Aug 08, 07:18
KingofCretins: 1.07 "Angel" still happened, right?

4 Aug 08, 07:18
Skytteflickan88: She trusts the council, and they told her that all vamps are evil. i do believe that many demons would agre

4 Aug 08, 07:18
KingofCretins: the hell?

4 Aug 08, 07:18
angelsgirl: errr.....no

4 Aug 08, 07:18
Skytteflickan88: Yes, she can, because so far, all the vamps she has ever seen are evil.

4 Aug 08, 07:17
KingofCretins: she has to wait for it to prove it's going to kill people

4 Aug 08, 07:17
KingofCretins: EVER

4 Aug 08, 07:17
KingofCretins: you realize, she can't kill a newly rising vampire under your rules

4 Aug 08, 07:17
angelsgirl: what if we all stopped fighting for a better world???

4 Aug 08, 07:17
Skytteflickan88: King, you don't know if he kiled for vengance or blood-thirst. Don't judge.

4 Aug 08, 07:17
KingofCretins: well, we'll call Buffy and tell her to shut it down, then

4 Aug 08, 07:17
Skytteflickan88: Eureka! you're right Angelsgirl, not all bad guys look like bad guys. Give the ugly demosn a cgance!

4 Aug 08, 07:16
angelsgirl: Angel himself was called Angelus for his angelic looks...look how dangerous he was!

4 Aug 08, 07:16
KingofCretins: the essential danger had passed

4 Aug 08, 07:16
KingofCretins: he killed because he could

4 Aug 08, 07:16
Skytteflickan88: Although i would believe that he's one of the demons that you shpould stay away from...

4 Aug 08, 07:16
angelsgirl: remember at the end of 'Lie to Me' when Giles says all the bad people wear signs...its not like that! its a lie

4 Aug 08, 07:16
Skytteflickan88: Perhaps that demon in caritas just killed because he was mad. i would have. Gunn's gang were evil

4 Aug 08, 07:15
KingofCretins: one of the ones they were trying to protect

4 Aug 08, 07:15
angelsgirl: can you say Capital Punishment!

4 Aug 08, 07:15
KingofCretins: For all the moral hand-wringing like in "That Old Gang of Mine", the worst monster in the whole episode was the simpering little "safe" demon in Caritas

4 Aug 08, 07:14
angelsgirl: what wait until they kill someone before you kill them??

4 Aug 08, 07:14
Skytteflickan88: No, just don't kill them until you know that they're dangerous.

4 Aug 08, 07:14
KingofCretins: vet them for killability?

4 Aug 08, 07:14
KingofCretins: interview them individually?

4 Aug 08, 07:14
Skytteflickan88: Huh?

4 Aug 08, 07:14
KingofCretins: Stop killing demons altogether?

4 Aug 08, 07:14
angelsgirl: and look at his dimension! He was one exception, the only exception!

4 Aug 08, 07:14
KingofCretins: Skytte, what would you have them do?

4 Aug 08, 07:13
Skytteflickan88: So there's no demon in Buffy's world that have a conscience? Of all the thousands???

4 Aug 08, 07:13
angelsgirl: he can't be included

4 Aug 08, 07:13
angelsgirl: Lorne wasn't from our dimension

4 Aug 08, 07:13
KingofCretins: blah

4 Aug 08, 07:13
KingofCretins: "

4 Aug 08, 07:13
Skytteflickan88: angelsgirl, do i have to bring up Lorne again?

4 Aug 08, 07:13
KingofCretins: :

4 Aug 08, 07:13
KingofCretins: "“They have help. The whole world is designed for them, so much that they have no idea what goes on around them after dark. They don’t see the weak ones lost in the night, - or the things that prey on them. And if I join them, maybe I’d stop seeing, too.”

4 Aug 08, 07:12
KingofCretins: Angel makes the distinction between the "rules" for humans and for demons, too...

4 Aug 08, 07:12
Skytteflickan88: sure, most demons seem to be more selfish, but i wouldn't be surprised if some worlds of demons are way nicer then this one...

4 Aug 08, 07:12
angelsgirl: demons look out for no.1

4 Aug 08, 07:12
KingofCretins: None that the champions of the "hapless, helpless human race" are beholden to

4 Aug 08, 07:12
angelsgirl: Demons don't have societies, they don't have the conscience for it

4 Aug 08, 07:12
Skytteflickan88: How? Don't you think demosn have societies?

4 Aug 08, 07:11
KingofCretins: that's the distinction between people and demons in the Buffyverse

4 Aug 08, 07:11
Skytteflickan88: Sweetie, you don't know that. Perhaps it's 50/50

4 Aug 08, 07:11
KingofCretins: "Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. We can't control the universe. If we were supposed to ... then the magic wouldn't change Willow the way it does. And ... we'd be able to bring Tara back."

4 Aug 08, 07:11
KingofCretins: "Yeah, we all know how well those rules work."

4 Aug 08, 07:10
KingofCretins: "So the human world has its own rules for dealing with people like him."

4 Aug 08, 07:10
Skytteflickan88: No slavery in europe and America (lets not think about trafficing) woman vote, etctec

4 Aug 08, 07:10
angelsgirl: there are more b@st@rds than nice people

4 Aug 08, 07:10
angelsgirl: we can argue all we like but its never going to change

4 Aug 08, 07:09
Skytteflickan88: There there angelsgirl, atleast we argue for a better world.

4 Aug 08, 07:09
KingofCretins: no, "Villains"

4 Aug 08, 07:09
KingofCretins: "Two To Go", rather

4 Aug 08, 07:09
angelsgirl: see depressing world...don't think about it!

4 Aug 08, 07:07
KingofCretins: Angel covered it, slightly, in "In The Dark"

4 Aug 08, 07:06
KingofCretins: Buffy covered that in "Villains"

4 Aug 08, 07:06
Skytteflickan88: Sorry, i promosed to stop.

4 Aug 08, 07:06
Skytteflickan88: I mean, it's not like humans are all that nice. Yesterday when we talked in the chatbox, pretty much everyone talking knew rapists or rape-victims.

4 Aug 08, 07:05
Skytteflickan88: i will give this rest, but you see, I can't judge based on general assumption.

4 Aug 08, 07:04
KingofCretins: it's a "rebuttable presumption", to borrow a phrase from my field of study

4 Aug 08, 07:04
KingofCretins: that's why it's a presumption

4 Aug 08, 07:04
Skytteflickan88: Some species are bad (even tough the demon-body-guard in season 2 showed than even "evil races" could redeem themselves), some are good, some are in a gray are, etcetc

4 Aug 08, 07:03
Skytteflickan88: Why aren't they worth as much as humans? You can't compare one specie, humans, to thouhsands of demon-species.

4 Aug 08, 07:02
KingofCretins: Xander is almost too good a person to stop and stay with Buffy when she called him

4 Aug 08, 07:02
KingofCretins: Only time I actually really, really wanted Spike dusted was in "Seeing Red"

4 Aug 08, 07:02
Skytteflickan88: Spike should have been killed as soon as they ahd tied him up. He was a big danger who would kill them if he got the chance.

4 Aug 08, 07:01
KingofCretins: they are not entitled to the same standards of justification as people are

4 Aug 08, 07:01
KingofCretins: Skytte, like I said, they are *presumptively* killable

4 Aug 08, 07:01
Skytteflickan88: I doubt that there are any vampires that are good (be3cause of what i've seen on the show) but that demon wasn't a vamp.

4 Aug 08, 07:01
angelsgirl: *sticks fingers in ears and runs away until the death talk stops*

4 Aug 08, 07:01
KingofCretins: Buffy could have killed him after sex, a la Riley killing Sandy after a bite, for no actual *reason*

4 Aug 08, 07:00
KingofCretins: Even Spike, before he had a soul, IMO he could have killed without any moral hesitation at any point

4 Aug 08, 07:00
Skytteflickan88: King, for all we knew, and probably Angel too, that demon had never hurt anyone in it's entire life. If it was given a change, perhps it never would.

4 Aug 08, 06:59
angelsgirl: all i can do is 'do as i would be done by'...be nice, take care of others and one day you will get rewarded

4 Aug 08, 06:59
Skytteflickan88: There, there, it's not all bad.

4 Aug 08, 06:59
KingofCretins: demons are presumptively killable, frankly

4 Aug 08, 06:59
KingofCretins: Drogyn... champion... bigger deal

4 Aug 08, 06:59
KingofCretins: Skytte, always with the Pee-Pee demon, I don't get it

4 Aug 08, 06:59
angelsgirl: the world is a horrible place! If I think about it i get depressed and I can't get depressed....its all bad!

4 Aug 08, 06:58
KingofCretins: we don't hold police to the standards of Batman

4 Aug 08, 06:58
Skytteflickan88: You see, you don't like casualities. If you had known that slave, perhaps he would turn out to be one of the good demons, and you wouldn't want him to die

4 Aug 08, 06:58
KingofCretins: because the guy that carried out that mission is a hero, but a fictional hero like Angel can be idealized

4 Aug 08, 06:58
KingofCretins: well, I distinguish between that bombing attack and things like Angel

4 Aug 08, 06:58
angelsgirl: i know its unrealistic but i dont care!

4 Aug 08, 06:58
Skytteflickan88: And if not... I hope you don't run for president.

4 Aug 08, 06:57
angelsgirl: i prefer to live in a nice bubble where everything happens for a reason!

4 Aug 08, 06:57
angelsgirl: i don't watch the news for the exact reason of not liking to hear those horrible things!

4 Aug 08, 06:57
Skytteflickan88: Angelsgirl, I just don't think you've tghought about it that much. Isn't there any part of you that watches the knews, here about a succesful US bombing, but cringed when you heared about the innocent that died?

4 Aug 08, 06:57
KingofCretins: and failed, can't forget that

4 Aug 08, 06:56
angelsgirl: i know...i'm too ill to try and fight

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: he is a big fan of Angel's insane plan

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: angelsgirl, you need Patxshand

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: it's not about a beatdown




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4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: awww

4 Aug 08, 06:56
Skytteflickan88: Stupid sacrifice, and stupid causialities.

4 Aug 08, 06:55
angelsgirl: i can see i'm gonna lose this...i'm not good with discussions...i back down

4 Aug 08, 06:55
Skytteflickan88: Angel knew that sooner or later W&H would be rebuilt. the thorns were just pawns.

4 Aug 08, 06:54
Skytteflickan88: Killing the slave was bad, and giving up and saying 2"o hell with it, i wanna die now"

4 Aug 08, 06:54
KingofCretins: and it was just as monumental a failure

4 Aug 08, 06:54
KingofCretins: Angel's big plan in "Not Fade Away" is basically coming from the exact same place as his attempt to attack the home office in "Reprise"

4 Aug 08, 06:54
Skytteflickan88: The whole idea of making alst stand is stupid, unless your dying. The whole gang could have left and killed more people than just a few thorns.

4 Aug 08, 06:53
KingofCretins: Holland Manners *told* him that straight out

4 Aug 08, 06:53
KingofCretins: angelsgirl, which was, in theory, something he learned to understand in *Season 2*

4 Aug 08, 06:53
angelsgirl: but the whole point to the ending of season 5 was to say 'we can't win! we can fight and try but we can never beat it, it will never go away'

4 Aug 08, 06:53
Skytteflickan88: In season 1, Angel would never have killed one to svae others. All or none. Didn't he?

4 Aug 08, 06:53
KingofCretins: what part of that covers murdering other champions to go undercover to make your empty-gesture suicide run work?

4 Aug 08, 06:52
KingofCretins: "we love as though the world were what it should be, to show it what it can be"

4 Aug 08, 06:52
KingofCretins: angelsgirl, that's only a "realization" in the sense that it rejects everything he ever stood for

4 Aug 08, 06:52
Skytteflickan88: I'm against causitiles. Even if you win the war, I don't think it's a victory if you have to say "okay, a couple of hundreds of innocents, thousands of bad guys killed"

4 Aug 08, 06:51
KingofCretins: Angel is 100% responsible for the circumstances that led to his death, even if he hadn't personally drained him and snapped his neck

4 Aug 08, 06:51
angelsgirl: what Angel realised is that sometimes innocents have to be sacrificed to save others...being right or wrong he knew what he had to do and he had the guts to do it!

4 Aug 08, 06:51
KingofCretins: Skytte, by setting him up to leave the Well

4 Aug 08, 06:51
Skytteflickan88: He lured drogyn? How?

4 Aug 08, 06:51
angelsgirl: just like Drogyn was a consequence of getting the thorns

4 Aug 08, 06:50
Skytteflickan88: I see how it was smart from a strategy-point of view, but he sunk to the level of the people he tried to kill

4 Aug 08, 06:50
KingofCretins: especially since his plan was so flawed and eventually unsuccessful anyway

4 Aug 08, 06:50
angelsgirl: and killing the slave was a consequence of killing the Arch Duke

4 Aug 08, 06:50
KingofCretins: absolutely nothing heroic in it

4 Aug 08, 06:50
KingofCretins: He lured Drogyn to his death

4 Aug 08, 06:49
Skytteflickan88: What he did to Drogan was forced. If he hadn't killed Drogyn, the thorns would have killed them both

4 Aug 08, 06:49
Skytteflickan88: I don't think you're evil, just that you haven't thought about it as much as me. it wasn't until a few months ago that i realized "Hey, Angel might a kill a completely innocent being!"

4 Aug 08, 06:48
angelsgirl: surely what he did to drogan was worse???

4 Aug 08, 06:48
angelsgirl: i can see your point but you can see why angel did it...how else could he get to someone so powerful??

4 Aug 08, 06:47
Skytteflickan88: The slave had no opportunity to fight for the grater good, he was enslaved.

4 Aug 08, 06:47
Skytteflickan88: *can't see the*

4 Aug 08, 06:47
Skytteflickan88: I just can see the difference. A demon can be a good person, and a human can be a monster (lindsey, lilah, nox)

4 Aug 08, 06:46
angelsgirl: Lorne was working for the greater good...he had a worth while life!

4 Aug 08, 06:46
Skytteflickan88: angel's part demon, Buffy too. oz, etctec

4 Aug 08, 06:46
angelsgirl: i never even battered an eyelid over that guys death...its not that i'm evil i just didn't think it was bad

4 Aug 08, 06:46
Skytteflickan88: Lorne was a demon...

4 Aug 08, 06:45
angelsgirl: probably not...but he was a demon!

4 Aug 08, 06:45
Skytteflickan88: I'm just saying, if it had been a human-slave, he wouldn't have killed him.

4 Aug 08, 06:45
angelsgirl: hey! please don't mention that name around me

4 Aug 08, 06:45
Skytteflickan88: *wasn't*

4 Aug 08, 06:44
Skytteflickan88: Want that hitler's argument?

4 Aug 08, 06:44
angelsgirl: plus what kind of a life was that poor little guy leading!

4 Aug 08, 06:44
angelsgirl: oh come on...that killing was for the greater good...

4 Aug 08, 06:44
Skytteflickan88: hey King

4 Aug 08, 06:43
Skytteflickan88: Angel always seemed so full of himself, and after he killed the demon-slave, i really dislike him

[Iceeh★]

I just read the whole thing xD

Best Part:

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: angelsgirl, you need Patxshand

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: he is a big fan of Angel's insane plan

Brings back the 3 hour long argument King and Pat had one day about the plan

[Skytteflickan88]

Aug 4, 2008 19:51:45 GMT -5 Iceeh★ said:

I just read the whole thing xD

Best Part:

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: angelsgirl, you need Patxshand

4 Aug 08, 06:56
KingofCretins: he is a big fan of Angel's insane plan

Brings back the 3 hour long argument King and Pat had one day about the plan

3 hours? Wow.

[Angelsgirl]

Thats certainly a bit longer than our hour long discussion! lol

[Tyler Austin "tiewashere"]

Lmfao awesome.

[Kara]

OMG. Pat and Kingsley can argue forever.

[Danner]

xD Notice how I ruined the whole discussion. Brilliant.

[Angelsgirl]

I thought it was a very tactful intervention on your part Danner! lol! Goodness knows how long we would have continued if someone hadn't stepped in!

[Skytteflickan88]

Aug 8, 2008 20:03:58 GMT -5 Danner said:

xD Notice how I ruined the whole discussion. Brilliant.

Ah piffle, or however Spike would say.

We were going nowhere, no one was going to change their mind. And the fact that someone new came into the conversation made me realize that I was too tired to explaining all over again, so I lost the energy to argue anymore. Which I guess was good considering that I got sadder(is that a word) by the minute.

[Angelsgirl]

Ah Sky You weren't supposed to be sad.

I thought we were just enjoying a healthy discussion...I'm sorry if we made you sad *hugs*

[Skytteflickan88]

Aug 12, 2008 8:35:54 GMT -5 Angelsgirl said:

Ah Sky You weren't supposed to be sad.

I thought we were just enjoying a healthy discussion...I'm sorry if we made you sad *hugs*

That's okay. People have different views on causalities, and as long as you don't kill any people in real life because they *might* be dangerous, that's fine. Angel's just fiction.

But if I do get turned into a demon or infected by an alien virus, I'm going to erase my account here on slayalive and go underground. No offence.

[Angelsgirl]

But if I do get turned into a demon or infected by an alien virus, I'm going to erase my account here on slayalive and go underground. No offence.

I do not blame you...we'd all be gunning for you if you got turned!

[Emmie]

You guys make me grin. All of you. ;D

[Rachster]

Aug 13, 2008 8:07:55 GMT -5 Emmie said:

You guys make me grin. All of you. ;D

I second that ;D