3rd slayer

[Malsad]

after buffy died in the end of season 5
why wasnt there a 3rd slayer called

[tms]

because the first time buffy was killed, she was legally dead long enough for another slayer to be called. After her ressurection, she was just /a/ slayer, while Kendra - and eventually faith - was /the/ slayer. So Buffy dying at the end of Season 5 wouldn't have brought forth another slayer; Faith would've have to die in order for another slayer to be called.

[jellymoff]

Sept 30, 2008 16:56:53 GMT -5 Malsad said:

after Buffy died in the end of season 5
why wasnt there a 3rd slayer called

Howdy. I actually posed this question a good while back, and got a variety of responses. There doesn't seem to be an official word on this. Some say that when Kendra was called, that was Buffy's replacement. She can never be replaced again. The next slayer would come from Faith dying, not Buffy. This is a perfectly good explanation, but in Season 6, Buffy repeatedly mentions that another would have been called if they didn't bring her back to life. I always wondered whey she kept saying that if it wasn't true, and if it is true, why wasn't someone called immediately. She was only dead for a few minutes in "Prophecy Girl" and Kendra was called. To me, this is one of the more glaring oversights of the show.

[tms]

Sept 30, 2008 17:13:09 GMT -5 jellymoff said:

Sept 30, 2008 16:56:53 GMT -5 Malsad said:

after Buffy died in the end of season 5
why wasnt there a 3rd slayer called

Howdy. I actually posed this question a good while back, and got a variety of responses. There doesn't seem to be an official word on this. Some say that when Kendra was called, that was Buffy's replacement. She can never be replaced again. The next slayer would come from Faith dying, not Buffy. This is a perfectly good explanation, but in Season 6, Buffy repeatedly mentions that another would have been called if they didn't bring her back to life. I always wondered whey she kept saying that if it wasn't true, and if it is true, why wasn't someone called immediately. She was only dead for a few minutes in "Prophecy Girl" and Kendra was called. To me, this is one of the more glaring oversights of the show.

I think she said this because
1- she didn't fully understand how the slayer lineage work (though it was breifly explained when Kendra was introduced, I think.)
2- She was told how the slayer lineage works (I think she was, I don't remember) but she forgot this minor detail those few years later.
One of those explinations seems to explain why she did this.

[siredbyspike]

I could be totally wrong here- But as well as Faith being THE slayer and her having to die for another to be called, i also thought there was slight mention that since Buffy's death was mystical, not natural that it wouldn't have called another slayer.

[tms]

Sept 30, 2008 18:33:04 GMT -5 siredbyspike said:

I could be totally wrong here- But as well as Faith being THE slayer and her having to die for another to be called, i also thought there was slight mention that since Buffy's death was mystical, not natural that it wouldn't have called another slayer.

Well, either way she died, and I don't think a mystical death would influence on wether a slayer is called or not.

[Malsad]

ok tks

[Skytteflickan88]

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5. Maybe that slayer is only half a slayer, or extra-demony and screwed up, because Willow messed with her powers when she brough back Buffy. I mean since she didn't consider that buffy might be in Heaven, Willow might have not thought about the possibility of a third slayer.

And about Buffy going on and on about being THE Chosen in season seven; Ego or ignorance.

Either she didn't want to consider Faith or she forgot the little detail about her dying once before. Or maybe she thought/knows that she didn't die the right way, which means if she died an unmystical death, she could still gove away her choosen-nes. (Or the writers screwed up, ignoring/forgetting the slayer mythology)

It's possible that in the past, in case a slayer died a mystical death, the council had to use other methods to "free" the slayer-power and choose another one. In that case, since Buffy's death was a secret, there was no chance for a new slayer to be chosen.

[wenxina]

Oct 3, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5. Maybe that slayer is only half a slayer, or extra-demony and screwed up, because Willow messed with her powers when she brough back Buffy. I mean since she didn't consider that buffy might be in Heaven, Willow might have not thought about the possibility of a third slayer.

It's never been established that a girl was called when Buffy died in "The Gift". It's actually never even been hinted at.

[Skytteflickan88]

Oct 3, 2008 11:30:26 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Oct 3, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5. Maybe that slayer is only half a slayer, or extra-demony and screwed up, because Willow messed with her powers when she brough back Buffy. I mean since she didn't consider that buffy might be in Heaven, Willow might have not thought about the possibility of a third slayer.

It's never been established that a girl was called when Buffy died in "The Gift". It's actually never even been hinted at.

I think you need to re-read my post again.

I never say "there is a 3rd slayer" in that passage or in the rest of my post. In that passage I say that I wish there was 3rd slayer, then I explain my thoughts on that slayer's potential powers.

[wenxina]

Oct 3, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5.

Maybe that's what you meant, but from this quote, it sounded like you assumed that there was a third Slayer, and that you wished that we would get a standalone issue about her.
There's nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.

[Connor]

I heard somewhere that a 3rd Slayer wasn't called because Dawn was made from Buffy so she actually was Buffy except from her looks, personality, Slayer strength etc.

[Skytteflickan88]

Oct 3, 2008 12:07:47 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Oct 3, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5.

Maybe that's what you meant, but from this quote, it sounded like you assumed that there was a third Slayer, and that you wished that we would get a standalone issue about her.
There's nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5. Maybe that slayer is only half a slayer, or extra-demony and screwed up, because Willow messed with her powers when she brough back Buffy. I mean since she didn't consider that buffy might be in Heaven, Willow might have not thought about the possibility of a third slayer.

Since I said "a slayer" not "the slayer that was chosen" I figured you would all get that I didn't say that I believed there was a third slayer, but that I wanted one. But since I wrote "Maybe that slayer is" instead of "Maybe that slayer would" I understand where you might be confused, but read the rest of the post.

And about Buffy going on and on about being THE Chosen in season seven; Ego or ignorance.

Either she didn't want to consider Faith or she forgot the little detail about her dying once before. Or maybe she thought/knows that she didn't die the right way, which means if she died an unmystical death, she could still gove away her choosen-nes. (Or the writers screwed up, ignoring/forgetting the slayer mythology)

When I mentioned Faith to show that Buffy was wrong about her being THE Chosen, shouldn't I have mentioned the 3rd slayer too, if I believed she existed?

It's possible that in the past, in case a slayer died a mystical death, the council had to use other methods to "free" the slayer-power and choose another one. In that case, since Buffy's death was a secret, there was no chance for a new slayer to be chosen.

Here I say how a 3rd slayer could have been chosen, but wasn't, due to the council's out of the know. This passage says nothing about if I believe there's a third slayer or not.

I understand why you misunderstood, but I think you shouldn't have misunderstood. You think that I was the one who was too unclear, while I think that I was ambigious, but still hinting at that I only wished for a third slayer.

I think you jumped to a conclusion, you don't think that.

[wenxina]

Oct 3, 2008 12:39:29 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I really wish that we would get a stand alone with a slayer that was chosen when Buffy died in season 5. Maybe that slayer is only half a slayer, or extra-demony and screwed up, because Willow messed with her powers when she brough back Buffy. I mean since she didn't consider that buffy might be in Heaven, Willow might have not thought about the possibility of a third slayer.

Since I said "a slayer" not "the slayer that was chosen" I figured you would all get that I didn't say that I believed there was a third slayer, but that I wanted one. But since I wrote "Maybe that slayer is" instead of "Maybe that slayer would" I understand where you might be confused, but read the rest of the post.

In any context, saying "a Slayer" vs. "the Slayer" doesn't really change anything. It still reads that you want to learn more about a Slayer called after Buffy's death in "The Gift". So thanks for understanding my confusion.

Oct 3, 2008 12:39:29 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

When I mentioned Faith to show that Buffy was wrong about her being THE Chosen, shouldn't I have mentioned the 3rd slayer too, if I believed she existed?

Not necessarily, since Faith's never died before, it's logical that the Slayer line is still carried through her. You could have mentioned the third Slayer if you so chose to, but in this context, you were making the case about Buffy's ego, or ignorance. So it could have been left out.

Here I say how a 3rd slayer could have been chosen, but wasn't, due to the council's out of the know. This passage says nothing about if I believe there's a third slayer or not.

I didn't take issue with this bit at all, only your opening sentence. However, I will point out that as far as I can remember, there is no distinction between a natural/supernatural death for a Slayer. One dies, another rises. Regardless of the way she died.

Oct 3, 2008 12:39:29 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I understand why you misunderstood, but I think you shouldn't have misunderstood. You think that I was the one who was too unclear, while I think that I was ambigious, but still hinting at that I only wished for a third slayer.

I think you jumped to a conclusion, you don't think that.

Here's where you lose me again. I agree that i was confused, that much I'd already admitted. But you're admitting to being ambiguous which falls in line with me saying that you were unclear. Given the circumstances, I'd say that I didn't jump to any conclusion... I was merely not following your ambiguous line of thought.

[Skytteflickan88]

I feel like we're splitting hairs now, put Iäll give it another try (btw, is that even an expression? Splitting hairs? Shouldn't it be hair-strands?)

I guess I just got ticked of because you assumed that I was saying something I wasn't. And we cleary read my post different ways, and that's that. Since we're not bestfriends and know how very well how the other one expresses themself(herself?himself?) and neither one of us is a thelepath, I should just let it go, shouldn't I?

Oct 3, 2008 15:14:16 GMT -5 wenxina said:

However, I will point out that as far as I can remember, there is no distinction between a natural/supernatural death for a Slayer. One dies, another rises. Regardless of the way she died.

That's true. I'm just saying that it's possible that it matters, how a slayer dies. Not likely, but I really want a third slayer so I'm going to hold on to that theory, just in case.

[wenxina]

Yes, the expression is splitting hairs. I think it's implied that you're splitting hair strands. But that's English for you.
And yes, please, let's BOTH let it go.
And hey, you're the third (or fourth) person I know from Sweden, so we can be best friends if you want. Online ones that is.
One of the other Swedes will be here in the US in less than a week, and I'm pumped... he's hilarious!
Why bother with a third, when you have 2000? Besides, if such a girl had existed, the WC would have found her (if she wasn't already being trained by a Watcher or operative), and she would probably have been on her way to either Sunnydale, or one of the other Hellmouths. While they may not have been alerted to Buffy's death, the prophetic dreams and super-strength would probably have been a dead giveaway.

PS: What kind of mood is "moist" anyway? Is that a PG-13 term?

[Skytteflickan88]

Oct 3, 2008 15:51:13 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Why bother with a third, when you have 2000? Besides, if such a girl had existed, the WC would have found her (if she wasn't already being trained by a Watcher or operative), and she would probably have been on her way to either Sunnydale, or one of the other Hellmouths. While they may not have been alerted to Buffy's death, the prophetic dreams and super-strength would probably have been a dead giveaway.

Yeah, the council could probably have tracked her down, sadly enough. It's weird if they couldn't have, since they found all the others.... But maybe they weren't looking, since they thought that both Faith and Buffy was alive. Aha! I can still hope.

PS: What kind of mood is "moist" anyway? Is that a PG-13 term?

Not a 100% what pg-13 contains, but yeah, it's... graphic. It's the naughty-est word I could find at the list.

And that funny Swede; any chance that you heard him talk over a web-cam or something and thought his voice was hilarious, and everytime he makes a joke, you laugh, not because a joke is funny, but because you remember the accent?

You have no idea how embarrasing it is to hear other Swedes speak English, we sound horrible.

[wenxina]

Oct 3, 2008 16:05:52 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

Not a 100% what pg-13 contains, but yeah, it's... graphic. It's the naughty-est word I could find at the list.

And that funny Swede; any chance that you heard him talk over a web-cam or something and thought his voice was hilarious, and everytime he makes a joke, you laugh, not because a joke is funny, but because you remember the accent?

You have no idea how embarrasing it is to hear other Swedes speak English, we sound horrible.

The funny Swede has been back and forth a few times now. I met him the last time he was here for about 3 1/2 weeks. His accent is actually virtually non-existent... only a few words sound kinda funny sometimes. But he has mentioned that the accent is a regional thing... certain areas have heavier accents than others.

[glorylover]

Sept 30, 2008 17:07:43 GMT -5 @tms said:

because the first time buffy was killed, she was legally dead long enough for another slayer to be called. After her ressurection, she was just /a/ slayer, while Kendra - and eventually faith - was /the/ slayer. So Buffy dying at the end of Season 5 wouldn't have brought forth another slayer; Faith would've have to die in order for another slayer to be called.

That pretty much explains it all well enough for me

[Zombierella]

My thoughts on the subject are just this:

Buffy was killed by the master, Kendra was called. Kendra was killed by Drusilla, so Faith was called. At this point we have two slayers. Since Buffy died I believe that Kendra was supposed to replace her. When Kendra died, Faith was supposed to replace Kendra.

So another words, Another slayer wouldn't be called unless Faith died. It's the only thing that makes sense. Buffy died in The Gift, and a 3rd slayer wasn't called. If Faith had died in S7 in the vinyard when she took the potentials, Then another slayer would have been called. Like Faith this new *hypothetical* slayer would become the chosen one. Not Buffy.

I'd have to say that Buffy dying and coming back to life screwed up the whole slayer line. She's no longer "THE" chosen one, However, She is a slayer. At the same time Faith was far too unstable to perform her slayer duties, and even if she wasn't, I think it's safe to say that Buffy wouldn't give up fighting the big bads.

Another thing that confuses me is in Season 5 Episode 1: Buffy VS Dracula, Dracula knows Buffy as THE vampire slayer. But does he know about Faith? You'd assume he would, But even so, Does he know that Faith is actually the "real" chosen one, and technically Buffy should be dead? lol.

The whole thing is a huge mess. As far as slayers go, It has been a huge mess since Prophecy Girl!