Xander and Once More With Feeling

[ladyparasyte]

You know, it seemed kind of messed up to me that Xander, who was responsible for summoning Sweet , didn't even get a slap on the wrist while Willow gets reamed a new one for Tabula Rasa. Now, granted Willow and Tara have had previous issues with Willow's magical use, regardless someone died(dancing till they burned) because Xander wanted to see if him and Anya would work out. Someone died because of his selfish actions and he nor anyone else is bothered by this.Just thought it was interesting.

[ladyparasyte]

mikey said:

But Xander didn't know anybody was going to get hurt. And for most of the musical, you could see he was in denial about why people were spontaneously combusting (he thought it might be unrelated).

True, but it still seemed like they sort of pick and choose who they pick on for immorality in the group. I would at least expect some remark from Giles.

[ladyparasyte]

Okay...how bout a stern finger pointing then

[commandercool]

People like to give Willow a hard time. Buffy doesn't admit it, but she kills people all the time (Caleb, for example). Willow kills just a few, who really deserved it, and she never hears the end of it. I loved the dialogue in issue 8 where Buffy is talking about what they're going to do when the army attacks. She's such a hypocrite. That's what makes her great.

[henzINNIT]

"Thats what makes her great" lol

One of the reasons I find Angel more fun to watch. Everything is more under-stated. No lectures from the boss.

[commandercool]

Buffy may be hypocritical and long-winded, but Angel is plain schizophrenic. He has more mood swings than should ever be considered possible for just one man. Which makes him fun to watch, too.

[postitnote]

Yeah...Angel was always was the one with PMS to me, while Buffy was the man in the relationship. LOL.

Xander should've known better, though. Magicks have consequences, and he's been on the receiving end of that lesson himself before...so he still should've known that something bad would've happened. Plus, how is using magicks a good example to teach Willow NOT to do so much magicks? If he uses it for his own personal gain (trying to see if he and Anya will work out), how is that teaching Willow to only use it when necessary, and not to change her clothes?

[commandercool]

Now she hovers 50 feet off the ground all the time for no reason. There's no way she really needs to fly all the time like that. It looks cool, though.

[dangerousbydesign]

I think Xander got off easy cause he didn't know what he was doing, Willow knew good and well what she was doing. Its not exactly fair, but in the story line WIllow's having "magic problems" and its more suiting to go after her for something as opposed to Xander who had no issues w/ the subject at all.

[commandercool]

Much truth. It wasn't very likely that Xander was going to turn into a musical junkie and be unable to control his summoning of song-and-dance related villains. Willow, on the other hand, has an incredibley addictive personality apparently.

[Lukee]

Xander did it not really realizing what he was going to get from it. He didn't know people where going to go poof on flames. Plus how can you be mad with some one that says "Does this mean that I have to... (gulp) be your queen?"
Plus Anya kinda gave I'm a 'tut tut' look.

commandercool how can you use Caleb as a example of Buffy killing humans to try to make Willow well Dark Willow not look as bad and such.
Caleb was not purely human, plus he was a killer, he killed lots of girls before SunnyD and during SunnyD. There was no way he could have been locked up or anything he could have easily broken out he was evil. She did right to kill him.
Buffy has always had problems with killing humans she doesn't like it and wouldn't really do it. But over the years shes learned that even humans can be evil. If she had to i think now she would kill a human but as a last result i mean look at Ben she couldn't kill him.

Willow well Dark Willow could and did.

[henzINNIT]

How about the knights of bullsh1tname from season 5? Buffy clearly murdered a couple of them with no second thoughts. They were human and good guys lol.

Xander got a lecture for using a love spell without knowing the consequences in season 2.. He got at least one person killed this time for doing the same thing and no-one says anything. Ironic that it isn't dealt with in a season that focuses on the mis-use of magic, and later one that tackles the cost of taking a human life.
There is a huge difference between his stupid idea and Willow's though. He did it to get the group singing and dancing and to make sure him and Anya were a happy couple; whereas Willow literally changed her friends to suit herself.

[commandercool]

Buffy killed a surprisingly high number of people, many of which weren't even evil (like those knight dudes). And yet she couldn't bring herself to kill Ben, even after he unleashed a really lame looking demon to murder crazy people. She has no priorities.

[buffysmglover]

commandercool said:

Now she hovers 50 feet off the ground all the time for no reason. There's no way she really needs to fly all the time like that..

Yay, someone agrees!

[Lukee]

What other times has Buffy just killed humans?
The knights, she was never intending to kill but if she needed to save Dawn i think she would have. They would have killed her and Dawn if Buffy didn't fight back.

And it wasn't Ben who unleashed the demon and such it was Glory. Ben even attempted to help them at one point.

[matthewblake]

**Vampire Dust Slayer**, commandercool is referring to the queller demon from "Listening to Fear," which *was* summoned by Ben to "clean up Glory's mess." (All the crazies)

Ben got a tough break having to share his body with Glory but in the end he only thought of himself. Instead of giving his own life for the greater good, he handed over Dawn without much hesitation.

[Lukee]

matthewblake said:

**Vampire Dust Slayer**, commandercool is referring to the queller demon from "Listening to Fear," which *was* summoned by Ben to "clean up Glory's mess." (All the crazies)

Ahhh my bad was thinking of the Snake demon for some reason

[balesthebloody]

I think the true reason nothing was ever said to Xander was because this was only like his 2nd slip up with magic. When Willow did what she did she had already used up her second chance long ago with the Scoobies and Tara. Plus Xander didn't think all this would get anyone killed, simple mistake. Willow truly did what she did for self-gain. Plus Willow was alway held to a higher standard than Xander was. Xander being the most human of the gang he was expected to slip up every now and then.

[alycat7]

willow should be held to a higher standard. she of all people should fully understand how magic has a tendency to backfire. to xander, it was just a spell.

[lee]

I think Xander made a little boo boo that had some messy consequences. His intentions were pure. Willow, on the other hand, was using magic for personal gain and manipulating other people for it. That's bound to be bad karma.