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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 18, 2009 15:04:54 GMT -5
I forget, do we ever find out what it was that was talking to Dawn? Was it the first, or her mother, or something else?
And the main thing that bugs me about Season 7 later on is that once they figure out that the first can appear to look like them and is incorporeal, they don't institute a hand-shaking policy! Its pretty obvious even if you haven't heard of it before, but youd' think that Xander at least would have seen enough sci fi to know what you do when there's a shapeshifter around.
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Post by Greer on Feb 18, 2009 15:08:01 GMT -5
slayalive.com/index.cgi?board=shows&action=display&thread=3619^This has been covered here before. It's been stated by the writers(I believe Jane and/or Joss) on the commentary that it was The First that was visiting Dawn, unfortunately. That's a good point about the hand-shaking policy, you'd think that they'd do that to just make sure all is well and only real people are around, but then it wouldn't make for as interesting a storyline as it was in some episodes where the First just appeared out of nowhere.
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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 19, 2009 12:30:26 GMT -5
Another question. The first bleeds Spike to open the seal of whatever. I thought vampires didn't bleed (just like they supposedly don't breathe even though they clearly get out of breath). If they do, why aren't they ever sucking blood from each other, even in an erotic way?
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Post by Greer on Feb 19, 2009 14:23:32 GMT -5
Good point. In theory, they shouldn't bleed, because they don't have any oxygen flowing through their bodies. I think that's something that is just something that in unavoidable but got worked in. Maybe it's a store of blood from all of the blood that they suck?
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Post by Spiked on Feb 19, 2009 15:35:20 GMT -5
Another question. The first bleeds Spike to open the seal of whatever. I thought vampires didn't bleed (just like they supposedly don't breathe even though they clearly get out of breath). If they do, why aren't they ever sucking blood from each other, even in an erotic way? My fanwank explanation was always that the blood they drank was stored in their bodies and magically circulated so that they could have sex and sire people. As for the reason why they wouldn't just suck blood from each other, I bet they do occasionally do it in a sexy way, but just feeding? I'm guessing it probably wouldn't taste as good if it had already been consumed. Plus, humans are much weaker than vampires, so they're easier to get blood from. As for the breathing thing, maybe it's just habit and their breath doesn't do any good for humans. Although I still do get a chuckle out of Angel's "I can't *pant pant* no breath *pant pant*" when he wants to resuscitate Buffy in Prophecy Girl. |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Feb 19, 2009 15:38:38 GMT -5
Darla and Angel sucked each others blood in an erotic way when they sired Dru (I think)
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Post by wenxina on Feb 19, 2009 15:40:10 GMT -5
Another question. The first bleeds Spike to open the seal of whatever. I thought vampires didn't bleed (just like they supposedly don't breathe even though they clearly get out of breath). If they do, why aren't they ever sucking blood from each other, even in an erotic way? Vampires clearly bleed... the fights that Angel and Spike have had usually leave them with cuts and bruises. That's where Spike's scar came from. And Angelus' blood was required to activate Acathla. The blood however, isn't theirs, as in, they didn't make it... it's from the victims. That's why Angelus had to drain a victim before activating Acathla. But using cutting a vampire to get blood... that does work. |
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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 19, 2009 16:35:24 GMT -5
Ok, I guess they do bleed in other episodes. It makes as much sense as anything else about them. But why would Spike have more blood than Jonathan? Oh, whatever.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 19, 2009 17:22:14 GMT -5
The First-as-Jonathan did say that Jonathan was anemic.  Maybe it's not so much the quantity as the quality... Andrew was trying to sacrifice a tiny piglet. lol |
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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 20, 2009 11:21:16 GMT -5
I'm watching Bring on the Night and I could swear the First-as-Drusilla just hit Spike in the face. What happened to non-corporeal? Or are we supposed to think that relaly is Drusilla all of a sudden?
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Post by Saturn 5 on Feb 20, 2009 12:19:01 GMT -5
Vamps very obviously have blood but they don't have any circulation. Which makes it rather weird that Spike can knock Dru out with a chokehold in Becoming pt2? But then he shouldn't be able to smoke or talk if he has no breath? As for his scar we see that inflicted by the Chinise Slayer in 'Fool for Love', presumably by some form of enchanted weapon so it doesn't heal like all his other wounds (like Faith partly blinding Kakistos in Faith, Hope and Trick)
Conversations with Dead People
The Good;
Everything with Dawn in it, especially her dancing and her anchovies song. 'Joyce's' appearance and everything she says. Buffy and Holden's fight and the reveal about Scott Hope (boy Buffy sure can pick them can't she?). The shock ending. All told an amazing 41 minutes of TV.
The Bad;
Only thing that let's it down is that it's so very obviously supposed to be Tara meeting Willow but Amber wouldn't do it which is a great shame. Cassie is ok but no real substitute.
Best line;
"Mother's milk is red today" Jane was pleased with the line and she deserves to be.
Wheldon Cliches;
Character death; Alas poor Jonathon, he'll never fufill his ambition as one of the Scoobs. I guess Andrew gets to complete his journey for him? Plus Holden but Joss obviously likes the actor so we'll see him again in both Firefly and Angel
Shot;
Tied up;
Knocked out;
Women good/men bad; Buffy's dad cheated on Joyce
Kinky dinky; Buffy felt so guilty about her affair with Spike she felt she needed to be punished. Was that part of their sex games? Buffy says she hates the way vamps link pain, love, sex and death but she has her own darkness as we'll learn in 'Get It Done' which is maybe why she (and Faith?) have always been attracted to the darkside/kinky.
Calling Captain Subtext; actually reassuring for Buffy that Scott didn't dump her because of anything she did or didn't do, he simply dumped her because they were getting to the physical stage and she was the wrong gender. He probably dumped the girl he took to the prom for the same reason.
Questions and observations;
The only episode of Buffy without any Xander whatsoever. For the record Angel is by far the most prolific character in the Buffyverse appearing in 110eps of his own show plus 55 eps of Buffy. Willow comes second with 144 eps of Buffy and 3 eps of Angel and Buffy third with 144 eps of Buffy and 2 eps of Angel. Reputedly the idea was that they'd get Eric Balfour to come back as Jesse which would have been brilliant but unfortunately either time or the actors constraints wouldn't allow it (if Joss ever goes back and does Buffy special editions he should film that scene). Byebye Jonathon, another character who redeems himself at the last and dies trying to do the right thing. Dawn is still friends with Kit from Lessons. She also knows how to perform magic but then she was raised for over a year by Willow and Tara. The crazy guy Holden mentions, was that the one who took Xander's 'class clown' award? The First picturing Willow's suicide is too horrible but Will's right, Tara would never tell her to do this. Buffy says there's still no firm word on the existence of god. So I guess she didn't meet him in Heaven? Still if crosses work there must be something? (Joss is an avowed aethiest but the Buffyverse always hints at something there, crosses/holy water repelling vamps etc).
Hands up who doesn't want it to really be Joyce that visits Dawn? How wonderful if the mother we loved and lost could come back to us, if only for a moment. But at least Buffy and Dawn know that there's an afterlife and one day they'll see Joyce again. And rest in her arms, forever. (Don't be impressed, that was from a fanfic I read once that reduced me to tears). Holden knows Tae Kwan Do which is the Korean martial art SMG is a brown belt in. Presumably the Dartmouth her refers to is in the US and not Devon?
5 out of 5. no problem
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2009 20:15:37 GMT -5
Presumably the Dartmouth her refers to is in the US and not Devon? East coast of US, Ivy League I believe. There are so many flaws with the continuity of breathing that I just guess they can't be avoided. I know that I've seen Dru touch Spike while being the First, and I think it's in Bring on the Night. I've viewed it recently so I'm pretty sure it's the same one. I wish it was Joyce, but it wasn't.  |
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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 21, 2009 9:54:18 GMT -5
But Dru HIT Spike, and his head flew back. That's definitely corporeal. You know, I'll have to go back and check again, but I'm sure I saw that.
I'm not sure I noticed the first time around how much older Kennedy is than all the other potentials. She must be at least 20, and all the others are like 15 or 16. Buffy was that age when called, and it seems like most of the slayers have been. So, it makes me wonder if Kennedy actually had any chance of being the next slayer, or if the coven just sent here there so Willow could get a date ;-)
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Post by kittyfantastico on Feb 21, 2009 10:08:11 GMT -5
And yes, Dartmouth is a well known college in New Hampshire.
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