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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 16:54:55 GMT -5
So I'm one of those readers who enjoy reading stories that are told in a subtle way. I don't like it when the writers try to make a point too obvious. Again, in the last issue of BTVS, they made it pretty obvious that ANDREW IS PART OF THE FAMILY NOW. Yes! Yes! Yes, he is!
Ok so, where's the catch now? I'm just trying to figure it out and I'm thinking there's gotta be something bigger in store for us (and for him) beyond that.
So who thinks they made such a big fuss about him belonging to the Scoobies in the last issue just to kill him off later in the season and get more teary tears out of our eyes? Not that I'm gonna cry, I wouldn't cry over a comic.
And who thinks he might not be as good a person as everybody assumes he is? I mean, come on, he's still very immature and he has always dreamed of being the badass villain! I'm not saying he's necessarily Twilight but he could work for him or for another baddie.
And finally who thinks, nope, nothing of all the above. He's just become part of Buffy's family, period.
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Post by BennyTheKey on Mar 11, 2009 17:25:15 GMT -5
I think he actually is a good guy now...thats all I have to say lol
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 17:41:39 GMT -5
I think he actually is a good guy now...thats all I have to say lol Personnally I would not trust Andrew entirely. In season 7 he was just desperate for friends and he would have gone with anybody who would have paid a little attention to him. It just happened to be Buffy's gang... even though they never took him seriously. Until Season 8. I'm pretty sure he would be able in the long run to turn his back on them if he was offered a way better position someplace else, with somebody else... |
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Post by wenxina on Mar 11, 2009 17:57:28 GMT -5
I think he actually is a good guy now...thats all I have to say lol Personnally I would not trust Andrew entirely. In season 7 he was just desperate for friends and he would have gone with anybody who would have paid a little attention to him. It just happened to be Buffy's gang... even though they never took him seriously. Until Season 8. I'm pretty sure he would be able in the long run to turn his back on them if he was offered a way better position someplace else, with somebody else... That's your opinion, and I think there are some nuances in the text that could be used to argue otherwise quite convincingly. Perhaps the issue isn't as obvious as you think it is. Just offering a counter-opinion.  |
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Post by Essentially Yours on Mar 11, 2009 18:09:03 GMT -5
I voted "to better kill him off later". I thought it was already made clear that Andrew was part of the team at the end of season five in "Angel" when Andrew crossed over. The fact that Andrew was already put in charge of all of those slayers and was personally sent by Giles to collect another slayer, I'd say he was well accepted by the Scoobies by then. So why an issue so focussed upon him while hardly progressing the storyline of season eight?
Simply, I feel like it was for us to just like his character more. There was definite a feel of the "Family" ep. in this issue for me. Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I fear for Andrew now because of this acceptance... as I would any new Scoobie initiated in the gang.
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 19:05:41 GMT -5
I voted "to better kill him off later". I thought it was already made clear that Andrew was part of the team at the end of season five in "Angel" when Andrew crossed over. The fact that Andrew was already put in charge of all of those slayers and was personally sent by Giles to collect another slayer, I'd say he was well accepted by the Scoobies by then. So why an issue so focussed upon him while hardly progressing the storyline of season eight? Simply, I feel like it was for us to just like his character more. There was definite a feel of the "Family" ep. in this issue for me. Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I fear for Andrew now because of this acceptance... as I would any new Scoobie initiated in the gang. I feel like this theory would work too. I just can't seem to accept that they dedicated a whole issue to him for just making him part of the family. There's gotta be something more to come, or else it would not be Buffy the Vampire Slayer anymore. |
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 19:09:37 GMT -5
Personnally I would not trust Andrew entirely. In season 7 he was just desperate for friends and he would have gone with anybody who would have paid a little attention to him. It just happened to be Buffy's gang... even though they never took him seriously. Until Season 8. I'm pretty sure he would be able in the long run to turn his back on them if he was offered a way better position someplace else, with somebody else... That's your opinion, and I think there are some nuances in the text that could be used to argue otherwise quite convincingly. Perhaps the issue isn't as obvious as you think it is. Just offering a counter-opinion.  So what are the nuances that I missed? What makes you think for sure that Andrew is not on the dark side? Just because we have the corny face at the end? Not buying it. |
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Post by Joe on Mar 11, 2009 19:18:46 GMT -5
I would like to think that Andrew is part of the family now but after reading this issue I'm not sure. They made it pretty obvious the gang trusts him, that's not always a good thing in Jossverse. I think Andrew might betray them sooner of later by "trying to hard" as demonstrated by him in issue 23. In issue 23, Andrew is trying to keep the groups trust so much that he tries to fix his problem in a un-slayer-like manner.. and then lying to Buffy about it. I don't think we should consider him a 100% white-hat yet.
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Post by wenxina on Mar 11, 2009 19:21:36 GMT -5
I'm not asking you to "buy it". I'm saying that one could construct the argument that Andrew isn't glad to be part of the family because he needs a place to cling to. I say this because of his efforts in righting his mistakes. Yes, his speech about the needs of the many outweighing his own is a throwback to the Andrew of "Storyteller", but it is the effort he makes after the fact that makes me think that perhaps he's actually found a good place to be, and not just out of convenience. The "corny face" at the end just affirms that he's actually glad to be part of the family, and not just one of the team. More so because it's coming from Buffy.
I'm not sure that Andrew isn't faking. I just said that you could argue that he isn't.
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 19:25:00 GMT -5
I'm not asking you to "buy it". I'm saying that one could construct the argument that Andrew isn't glad to be part of the family because he needs a place to cling to. I say this because of his efforts in righting his mistakes. Yes, his speech about the needs of the many outweighing his own is a throwback to the Andrew of "Storyteller", but it is the effort he makes after the fact that makes me think that perhaps he's actually found a good place to be, and not just out of convenience. The "corny face" at the end just affirms that he's actually glad to be part of the family, and not just one of the team. More so because it's coming from Buffy. I'm not sure that Andrew isn't faking. I just said that you could argue that he isn't. I mostly agree with what you say, I mean that's the natural first impression that you get while reading the issue, that he's trying very hard to make up for his past behavior and stuff, that he really wants to belong to the group and having Buffy's recognition means the world to him... now that being said, it seems too easy. So we will agree it's open for speculations! |
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Post by Joe on Mar 11, 2009 19:30:52 GMT -5
I like my theory but I could easily see both sides of this argument happening.
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 19:35:26 GMT -5
I like my theory but I could easily see both sides of this argument happening. Hi Joe, sorry I had missed your post. I agree with your statement that it seems like he's trying too hard. But at the same time, he's supposed to be so stupid and naive that I have a hard time picturing him as the evil genius... Oh well, I guess they just want to kill him off. |
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 11, 2009 20:58:01 GMT -5
I like those last bold votes that were cast.... Thanks for weighing in!
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Post by Joe on Mar 12, 2009 7:12:02 GMT -5
I like my theory but I could easily see both sides of this argument happening. Hi Joe, sorry I had missed your post. I agree with your statement that it seems like he's trying too hard. But at the same time, he's supposed to be so stupid and naive that I have a hard time picturing him as the evil genius... Oh well, I guess they just want to kill him off. He may not be an evil genius but he can easily be manipulated by the other side, aka Warren. |
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 12, 2009 18:14:02 GMT -5
Hi Joe, sorry I had missed your post. I agree with your statement that it seems like he's trying too hard. But at the same time, he's supposed to be so stupid and naive that I have a hard time picturing him as the evil genius... Oh well, I guess they just want to kill him off. He may not be an evil genius but he can easily be manipulated by the other side, aka Warren. Ahaha, that's right. I forgot he could easily be manipulated. He might still be a bad guy and not even know about it. |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Mar 12, 2009 18:15:35 GMT -5
To better kill him off later in the season; ... I really hope they do!
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 12, 2009 18:49:55 GMT -5
Ok, my bad. So I'm basically the only one here who actually thinks Andrew cannot be completely trusted and that he might turn his back on Buffy next time around. Man, I would love to turn out to be right in the future. We could then come back to this poll and I would sure brag big time.
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Post by loveisabird on Mar 16, 2009 11:33:24 GMT -5
Im hoping that he has just been officially accepted. I personally would roll my eyes if he was working with Twilight or was killed. I know its Joss style to kill someone off that fans love but after offing Tara and Anya, Ive begun to find it old. Andrew isnt even on the level of adoration that Tara and Anya were at so I definately think he isnt going to be killed because it wouldnt make an impact either.
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Post by Joe on Mar 19, 2009 5:31:35 GMT -5
Ok, my bad. So I'm basically the only one here who actually thinks Andrew cannot be completely trusted and that he might turn his back on Buffy next time around. Man, I would love to turn out to be right in the future. We could then come back to this poll and I would sure brag big time. Aren't you reading my posts? I'm not completely against your idea! lol I said I could easily see both of these arguments happening. |
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Post by Mathieu on Mar 19, 2009 6:12:27 GMT -5
Ok, my bad. So I'm basically the only one here who actually thinks Andrew cannot be completely trusted and that he might turn his back on Buffy next time around. Man, I would love to turn out to be right in the future. We could then come back to this poll and I would sure brag big time. Aren't you reading my posts? I'm not completely against your idea! lol I said I could easily see both of these arguments happening. Sorry Joe, I guess I'm very forgetful!! We're on the same team then! |
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