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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 17, 2009 19:53:21 GMT -5
Interesting theory Raz. I never thought about it before. But it doesn't make sense that her people would kill her, Slayers need to be alive and kicking (literally) to do the protecting. But it's a cool thought! I just think many of the things were said to parallel Buffy's own life.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 17, 2009 20:09:13 GMT -5
Tis true. It's an interesting theory. I wonder though, what was the specific spell that allowed her to be a living mummy? I haven't seen that episode for a while. Plus, she was a killer...and did not possess the strength and skill like a normal Slayer would. Buffy retained her abilities even after death. Why wouldn't the Inca Mummy Girl?
I changed the thread so people would know who you were talking about. In the episode they all called her Ampata.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Mar 17, 2009 20:18:26 GMT -5
when i first read this, i was like wtf? no. false statement... but i thought a little more and it seems very plausabile...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Mar 18, 2009 6:33:19 GMT -5
Interesting theory. But my guess is that she's like any other chosen sacrifice (like that baby in season 5 of Angel).
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Post by Greer on Mar 18, 2009 8:00:28 GMT -5
That's a good point Raz. I've never really thought of that before. I mean, obvi the writers are going to throw in choice words so that Buffy and the audience can relate to her, like using the word 'Chosen' but it also is really what happened to her. She could've been, but she didn't have any supernatural strength, did she? Maybe she wasn't to be Slayer-fied at the time of her death. But she did protect her people from the 'netherworld' which I totally take to be the supernatural baddies. That's something that would've been cool to find out if she was. I wish we could ask Joss!
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Post by Lady Tragic on Mar 18, 2009 13:10:59 GMT -5
I don't think 'Ampata" was a Slayer, just a sacrificial lamb with a well-deserved sense of injustice.
I mean, when you think about it, there have to be/have been about fifty million Chosen Ones, what with all the prophecies that seem to be floating around, everyone and his aunt is chosen for something.
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Post by Mothling on Mar 18, 2009 14:07:17 GMT -5
I don't think "Ampata" was a Slayer, yet her situation could very much relate to Buffy's present situation.
Another note; does anybody know the era when the Shadow Men empowered the First Slayer? Did this pre-date or come after Incan civilization?
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Post by ●B E N on Mar 18, 2009 14:31:52 GMT -5
The moment i saw that episode I thought... 'OMG was she a slayer?!' but i never questioned it. lol It was just a random thought. Now however, other people are agreeing so I will put in my two cents. ... Yeah i think she was a slayer.. or maybe even a potential slayer.. hmm someone should ask Joss.
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Post by Mothling on Mar 18, 2009 14:44:23 GMT -5
I think, at most, you could sway that she was a potential Slayer. But the facts just don't really add up for her to have actually been a Slayer.
Firstly, she didn't seem to display any of the abilities which Slayers possess; extraordinary strength, speed, stamina, and skill.
Secondly, I doubt they would've been able to force her into sacrificing herself in the first place if she had Slayer abilities, she probably could've easily escaped her fate.
And as an important footnote; "Ampata" never really died, she was trapped by the seal. Remember how she said she has seen so many places and countries; implying that she has been alive the whole time, laying in the coffin, but probably her 'soul' was trapped there by the seal.
So, if she had never died, then the Slayer line could not have passed onto somebody else, and so there would have been no present Slayers, or any after her.
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Post by ●B E N on Mar 18, 2009 14:50:04 GMT -5
I always thought that after her death she stopped being the slayer and became a mummy. I haven't seen the episode in forever... but didn't she fight Buffy hand to hand? I think she did...which would make her pretty darn strong. Hmm
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Mar 18, 2009 14:50:55 GMT -5
Firstly, she didn't seem to display any of the abilities which Slayers possess; extraordinary strength, speed, stamina, and skill. Secondly, I doubt they would've been able to force her into sacrificing herself in the first place if she had Slayer abilities, she probably could've easily escaped her fate. She did take down her guard without too much effort. And in case I was about to be sacrificed by my people, I might freeze. Specially if I don't know that I can fight back. Perhaps she just accepted her destiny without a fight. |
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Post by Mothling on Mar 18, 2009 16:20:29 GMT -5
I always thought that after her death she stopped being the slayer and became a mummy. I haven't seen the episode in forever... but didn't she fight Buffy hand to hand? I think she did...which would make her pretty darn strong. Hmm It's never 100% confirmed that she did actually die. Yes, she begins to rot away, yet as we can see, she can get right back up again when the seal is broken. I'd need more confirmation before I believe that she ever actually physically died in the first place. And if she did, how can ressurect in the first place? I would highly doubt the Incans would kill her, ressurect her, then bind her with a seal. What purpose would that serve exactly? |
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Post by buffystar on Mar 18, 2009 20:56:24 GMT -5
"Ampata"...a Slayer? Hmm...this reminds me of the Indian Princess Slayer. I know she wasn't mentioned on the show. But she is still mentioned in other canon comics like Fray, The Origin, and the ToTS short story "Tales".
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Post by NileQT87 on Mar 20, 2009 1:22:28 GMT -5
The Indian princess Slayer is definitely an "Indian" from India rather than Peru. In fact, she's shown in canon to be from colonial British India with a British watcher circa Rudyard Kipling's era (late 1800s) complete with khaki and monocles.
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Post by Lukee on Mar 20, 2009 11:13:01 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty blates obvs that she was a slayer......
The writers made it out as though she was one... i thought it when i first saw the episode when it aired.
Just because she didn't have the slayer strength doesn't mean she wasn't a slayer. I mean Joss didn't know all the way back then that Buffy was going to die and get brought back so he wouldn't have thought about what happens when a slayer dies and is brought back do they still have their power so it could have just been a error plus they were both brought back completely different. But i can see the argument as to if she wasn't a slayer i mean she could have just been a girl chosen to be fed to the wolfs and thought as a savior.
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Post by Mothling on Mar 20, 2009 15:59:05 GMT -5
I think if she were meant to have been a Slayer it would've been actually stated. never was it said that she was a Slayer, just that she was 'Chosen', and to me that always implied that she was chosen to be the sacrifice.
I saw her character as a parallel to Buffy, somebody she could relate with, as they were both chosen against their will for the "greater good".
Again, my mind just can't get past the fact that it was never stated that she was specifically a Slayer, plus there are so many anomalies adding to the fact that she can't have been.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Mar 20, 2009 17:24:27 GMT -5
Like what 'Mothling' is saying... I have never thought of her as a slayer but someone chosen and sacrificed...but hey, she still could have been a slayer...
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 20, 2009 20:22:53 GMT -5
I thought she was sacrificed because she was the most beautiful virgin in the village, whether they said that much or not, I cannot remember. But I'm pretty sure that although Buffy and Faith (and Kendra) are "hot chicks with super powers", Ampata's beauty didn't necessarily render her a slayer, and the odds of such are quite low.
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Post by kimtaro on Mar 21, 2009 1:49:02 GMT -5
I think if she was a slayer, Giles might have recalled reading something about her being sacrificed in the watchers' journals...but also, she could have been a potential, and her people could tell she was special and sacrificed her.
then again, incans and other ancient civilizations sacrificed people at the drop of a hat. lol
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Post by Secret Scoobie on Mar 27, 2009 7:49:32 GMT -5
I don't think she was slayer, because if she was it would've come up sooner or later in the canon-verse.
^ I agree that Giles would of known SOMETHING and also, I think maybe INCAN people lived before the 'shadowmen' that created the slayer (Just a thought). Joss would of put better clues than 'chosen' if it was true. Might have even been a TOTS story about her if she was.
I think she was just a conduit for a symbolic representation - a mirror of Buffy's situation, but not so obviously (Not a slayer, but a girl who lived a life she did not choose, but chose her)
The show never had any trouble pointing out actual slayers (via Giles, vamps and books) and they did research on "Ampata" and didn't find annything about her. IF she was a slayer there would have been a story somewhere, for as long as there has been slayers there was WATCHERS! (First the shadowmen) so someone would have wrote SOMETHING down.
Yes, it could be if she was a slayer than her watcher was killed tryin to protect her and all his records destroyed but then Joss would have done something to make this story a reality, not just lots of speculative clues.
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