SHS has been blown up.....now what?

[Krescan]

Ok the wife and I just finished season 3 (her first run) and what I'd hoped would happen has. She's become interested enough in Angel and Cordelia that she wants to watch Angel now as well. (Unfortunately glancing at the DVD covers at the store has already let her know that Cordelia will be there)

Anyway here's my question. Am I safe to start Buffy S4E1 then Angel S1E1 back to Buffy S4E2 and so and and so forth to catch all the crossovers in order?

I watched them myself in order of air dates but I don't remember if there was a week where Buffy was off and then 2 Angels before we saw the next one.

I'm sure somebody knows the answer.

Speaking of DVD covers, and the screens in the DVD before you hit watch episode, I wish they were a little less spoilerish. Episodes that Spike are going to show up aren't surprises anymore. Plus it lead to this quick thinking lie I had to tell.

Her: (Seeing a season 6 copy of the DVD at the store) What happened to Willow? Why is she all veiny and dark headed.

Me: Hmm? Oh, I'm not quite sure. That must be from a dream or something, I don't remember her looking like that.

I mean sure I'm getting smacked later for that one but at least it might still come as a surprise for her.

Anyway any help on the order is much appreciated.

[Iceeh★]

Well, I did a bit of googling, and found a list on the correct order of the episodes! ^^

www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80197

Hope it helps!

[dragonweaver]

I know what you're going through. I did the same thing with my boyfriend.

It's tricky with the crossovers, but I usually tried to stay even. For example I showed one disc (3 or 4 episodes) of Buffy and then one disc of Angel and tried not to get too far ahead with either show. That way when I knew a crossover was coming I could make adjustments to the order easily enough. To make things simple for the first crossover, show the first 2 episodes of Angel, then the first 3 of Buffy, and then go back to Angel and finish of the disc.

Of course that is just how I did it. Perhaps your wife will enjoy them more if you go in order of how they originally aired. I did it differently because it's a pain changing out the discs all the time, especially when the person your with wants to do a marathon of episodes.

Oh the lying thing...I'm with you. It's so hard to keep things secret. The images on the DVD are bad enough but you also have magazines, posters & the world wide web. I remember my boyfriend was spoiled about Buffy/Spike by an article in TV guide.

[snizapman6294]

if i were you, i would watch BS4E1, then AS1E1 and so on... it makes the storylines much easier to follow especially faith in season 7/Angel season 4...

[El Diablo Robotico]

Here's the guide I did about a year ago for this: www.slayalive.com/index.cgi?board=btvs&action=display&thread=6127

The short version goes like this:

BtVS S4/AtS S1: Alternate evenly between the two shows. Watch the first ep of "Buffy", then the first "Angel". The second "Buffy, the second "Angel", etc. (always watching the BtVS ep first!).

BtVS S5/AtS S2: Same as above.

BtVS S6/AtS S3: No real crossovers of any consequence this year. Watch "Carpe Noctem" (AtS 3.04) before "Flooded" (BtVS 6.04).

BtVS S7/AtS S4: The most annoying seasons to match up. Watch "Lies My Parents Told Me" (BtVS 7.17) before "Orpheus" (AtS 4.15), "Orpheus" before "Dirty Girls" (BtVS 7.18), and "Home" (AtS 4.22) before "End of Days" (BtVS 7.21).


Hope that helps.

[stakey]

I understand your frustration at the menu screens!

In UK they COMPLETELY screwed up the airing of angel so unlike buffy, when I was watching the dvds I was watching it for the first time. So everytime i came to a new episode Id close my eyes so the menu screen wouldnt ruin anything for me.

another annoyance is the 'previously on buffy' thing...that can give away what characters are gonna make an appearance, wish the buffy/angel dvds were like supernatural and you could turn off the recaps on the menu.

Luckily the region 2 dvd covers only have smg on the front and give away bugger all about the season, when I saw the reg 2 cover for season 6 I just couldnt figure out how completely f**king dumb they were for putting evil willow on the front. morons.

[Tyler Austin "tiewashere"]

Here's the complete time line in the correct sequence. I made it one day:
Buffy will be in italics.

Angel: Season 1 / Buffy Season 4
4.1 (Buffy) The Freshman: 5 October 1999
1.1 (Angel) City of...: 5 October 1999
4.2 (Buffy) Living Conditions: 12 October 1999
1.2 (Angel) Lonely Hearts: 12 October 1999
4.3 (Buffy) The Harsh Light of Day: 19 October 1999
1.3 (Angel) In The Dark: 19 October 1999
4.4 (Buffy) Fear, Itself: 26 October 1999
1.4 (Angel) I Fall to Pieces: 26 October 1999
4. 5 (Buffy) Beer Bad: 2 November 1999
1.5 (Angel) Rm w/a Vu: 2 November 1999
4.6 (Buffy) Wild at Heart: 9 November 1999
1.6 (Angel) Sense and Sensitivity: 9 November 1999
4.7 (Buffy) The Initiative: 16 November 1999
1.7 (Angel) The Bachelor Party: 16 November 1999
4.8 (Buffy) Pangs: 23 November 1999
1.8 (Angel) I Will Remember You: 23 November 1999
4.9 (Buffy) Something Blue: 30 November 1999
1.9 (Angel) Hero: 30 November 1999
4.10 (Buffy) Hush: 14 December 1999
1.10 (Angel) Parting Gifts: 14 December 1999
4.11 (Buffy) Doomed: 18 January 2000
1.11 (Angel) Somnambulist: 18 January 2000
4.12 (Buffy) A New Man 25 January 2000
1.12 (Angel) Expecting: 25 January 2000
4.13 (Buffy) The I in Team: 8 Febuary 2000
1.13 (Angel) She: 8 Febuary 2000
4.14 (Buffy) Goodbye Iowa: 15 Febuary 2000
1.14 (Angel) I've Got You Under My Skin: 15 Febuary 2000
4.15 (Buffy) This Years Girl: 22 Febuary 2000
1.15 (Angel) The Prodigal: 22 Febuary 2000
4.16 (Buffy) Who Are You?: 29 Febuary 2000
1.16 (Angel) The Ring: 29 Febuary 2000
4.17 (Buffy) Superstar: 4 April 2000
1.17 (Angel) Eternity: 4 April 2000
4.18 (Buffy) Where the Wild Things Are: 25 April 2000
1.18 (Angel) Five By Five: 25 April 2000
4.19 (Buffy) New Moon Rising: 2 May 2000
1.19 (Angel) Sanctuary: 2 May 2000
4.20 (Buffy) The Yoko Factor: 9 May 2000
1.20 (Angel) War Zone: 9 May 2000
4.21 (Buffy) Primeval: 16 May 2000
1.21 (Angel) Blind Date: 16 May 2000
4.22 (Buffy) Restless: 23 May 2000
1.22 (Angel) To Shanua in L.A.: 23 May 2000

Angel Season 2 / Buffy Season 5
5.1 (Buffy) Buffy vs. Dracula: 26 September 2000
2.1 (Angel) Judgment: 26 September 2000
5.2 (Buffy) Real Me: 3 October 2000
2.2 (Angel) Are You Now or Have You Ever Been: 3 October 2000
5.3 (Buffy) The Replacement: 10 October 2000
2.3 (Angel) First Impressions: 10 October 2000
5.4 (Buffy) Out of My Mind: 17 October 2000
2.4 (Angel) Untouched: 17 October 2000
5.5 (Buffy) No Place Like Home: 24 October 2000
2.5 (Angel) Dear Boy: 24 October 2000
5.6 (Buffy) Family: 7 November 2000
2.6 (Angel) Guise Will Be Guise: 7 November 2000
5.7 (Buffy) Fool for Love: 14 November 2000
2.7 (Angel) Darla: 14 November 2000
5.8 (Buffy) Shadow: 21 November 2000
2.8 (Angel) The Shroud of Rahmon: 21 November 2000
5.9 (Buffy) Listening to Fear: 28 November 2000
2.9 (Angel) The Trial: 28 November 2000
5.10 (Buffy) Into the Woods: 19 December 2000
2.10 (Angel) Reunion: 19 December 2000
5.11 (Buffy) Triangle: 9 January 20001
2.11 (Angel) Redefinition: 16 January 2001
5.12 (Buffy) Checkpoint: 23 January 2001
2.12 (Angel) Blood Money: 23 January 2001
5.13 (Buffy) Blood Ties: 6 February 2001
2.13 (Angel) Happy Anniversary: 6 February 2001
5.14 (Buffy) Crush: 13 February 2001
2.14 (Angel) The Thin Dead Line: 13 February 2001
5.15 (Buffy) I Was Made to Love You: 20 February 2001
2.15 (Angel) Reprise: 20 February 2001
5.16 (Buffy) The Body: 27 February 2001
2.16 (Angel) Epiphany: 27 February 2001
5.17 (Buffy) Forever: 17 April 2001
2.17 (Angel) Disharmony: 17 April 2001
5.18 (Buffy) Intervention: 24 April 2001
2.18 (Angel) Dead End: 24 April 2001
5.19 (Buffy) Tough Love: 1 May 2001
2.19 (Angel) Belonging: 1 May 2001
5.20 (Buffy) Spiral: 8 May 2001
2.20 (Angel) Over the Rainbow: 8 May 2001
5.21 (Buffy) The Weight of the World: 15 May 2001
2.21 (Angel) Through the Looking Glass: 15 May 2001
5.22 (Buffy) The Gift: 22 May 2001
2.22 (Angel) There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb: 22 May 2001

Angel Season 3 / Buffy Season 6
3.1 (Angel) Heartthrob: 24 September 2001
3.2 (Angel) That Vision Thing: 1 October 2001
6.1/2 (Buffy) Bargaining: 2 October 2001
3.3 (Angel) That Old Gang of Mine: 8 October 2001
6.3 (Buffy) After Life: 9 october 2001
3.4 (Angel) Carpe Noctem: 15 October 2001
6.4 (Buffy) Flooded: 16 October 2001
3.5 (Angel) Fredless: 22 October 2001
6.5 (Buffy) Life Serial: 23 October 2001
3.6 (Angel) Billy: 29 October 2001
6.6 (Buffy) All the Way: 30 October 2001
3.7 (Angel) Offspring: 5 November 2001
6.7 (Buffy) Once More, with Feeling: 6 November 2001
3.8 (Angel) Quickening: 12 November 2001
6.8 (Buffy) Tabula Rasa: 13 November 2001
3.9 (Angel) Lullaby: 19 November 2001
6.9 (Buffy) Smashed: 20 November 2001
6.10 (Buffy) Wrecked: 27 November 2001
3.10 (Angel) Dad: 10 December 2001
6.11 (Buffy) Gone: 8 January 2002
3.11 (Angel) Birthday: 14 January 2002
3.12 (Angel) Provider: 21 January 2002
6.12 (Buffy) Doublemeat Palace: 29 January 2002
3.13 (Angel) Waiting in the Wings: 4 February 2002
6.13 (Buffy) Dead Things: 5 February 2002
6.14 (Buffy) Older and Far Away: 12 February 2002
3.14 (Angel) Couplet: 18 February 2002
3.15 (Angel) Loyalty: 25 February 2002
6.15 (Buffy) As You Were: 26 February 2002
3.16 (Angel) Sleep Tight: 4 March 2002
6.16 (Buffy) Hell's Bells: 5 March 2002
6.17 (Buffy) Normal Again: 12 March 2002
3.17 (Angel) Forgiving: 15 April 2002
3.18 (Angel) Double or Nothing: 22 April 2002
3.19 (Angel) The Price: 29 April 2002
6.18 (Buffy) Entropy: 30 April 2002
3.20 (Angel) A New World: 6 May 2002
6.19 (Buffy) Seeing Red: 7 May 2002
3.21 (Angel) Benediction: 13 May 2002
6.20 (Buffy) Villains: 14 May 2002
3.22 (Angel) Tomorrow: 20 May 2002
6.21 (Buffy) Two to Go: 21 May 2002
6.22 (Buffy) Grave: 21 May 2002

Angel Season 4 / Buffy Season 7
7.1 (Buffy) Lessons: 24 September 2002
7.2 (Buffy) Beneath You: 1 October 2002
4.1 (Angel) Deep Down : 6 October 2002
7.3 (Buffy) Same Time, Same Place: 8 October 2002
4.2 (Angel) Ground State: 13 October 2002
7.4 (Buffy) Help: 15 October 2002
4.3 (Angel) The House Always Wins: 20 October 2002
7.5 (Buffy) Selfless: 22 October 2002
4.4 (Angel) Slouching Toward Bethlehem: 27 October 2002
4.5 (Angel) Supersymmetry: 3 November 2002
7.6 (Buffy) Him: 5 November 2002
4.6 (Angel) Spin the Bottle: 10 November 2002
7.8 (Buffy) Conversations with Dead People: 12 November 2002
4.7 (Angel) Apocalypse, Nowish: 17 November 2002
7.9 (Buffy) Sleeper: 19 November 2002
7.10 (Buffy) Never Leave Me: 26 November 2002
7.11 (Buffy) Bring on the Night: 17 December 2002
7.12 (Buffy) Showtime: 7 January 2003
4.8 (Angel) Habeas Corpses: 15 January 2002
7.13 (Buffy) Potential: 21 January 2003
4.9 (Angel) Long Day's Journey: 22 January 2003
4.10 (Angel) Awakening: 29 January 2003
7.14 (Buffy) The Killer in Me: 4 February 2003
4.11 (Angel) Soulless: 5 February 2003
7.15 (Buffy) First Date: 11 February 2003
4.12 (Angel) Calvary: 12 February 2003
7.16 (Buffy) Get It Done: 18 February 2003
7.17 (Buffy) Storyteller: 25 February 2003
4.13 (Angel) Salvage: 5 March 2003
4.14 (Angel) Release: 12 March 2003
7.18 (Buffy) Lies My Parents Told Me: 19 March 2003
4.15 (Angel) Orpheus: 25 March 2003
4.16 (Angel) Players: 26 March 2003
4.17 (Angel) Inside Out: 2 April 2003
4.18 (Angel) Shiny Happy People: 9 April 2003
7.19 (Buffy) Dirty Girls: 15 April 2003
4.19 (Angel) The Magic Bullet: 16 April 2003
4.20 (Angel) Sacrifice: 23 April 2003
7.20 (Buffy) Empty Places: 29 April 2003
4.21 (Angel) Peace Out: 30 April 2003
7.21 (Buffy) Touched: 6 May 2003
4.22 (Angel) Home: 7 May 2003
7.22 (Buffy) End of Days: 13 May 2003
7.33 (Buffy) Chosen: 20 May 2003

[darthrosenberg9]

Mar 30, 2009 18:06:03 GMT -5 stakey said:

another annoyance is the 'previously on buffy' thing...that can give away what characters are gonna make an appearance, wish the buffy/angel dvds were like supernatural and you could turn off the recaps on the menu.
.

That's funny! The region 1 DVDs don't have the recaps on them! That would be really spoilery!! That's too bad!

[El Diablo Robotico]

Mar 30, 2009 21:52:19 GMT -5 Tyler Austin "tiewashere" said:

Here's the complete time line in the correct sequence. I made it one day:
Buffy will be in italics.

...

Looks pretty accurate to me. Even with the italics, tho, it's difficult to read a huge chunk of text like that, which is why I formatted mine the way I did (2 columns, blue and red text), and also provided a summary after each season with just the most relevant parts (the crossovers).

The only mistake I noticed had nothing to do with the order, but with the airdates: "Lies My Parents Told Me" aired on March 25 of '03, not the 19th. The only reason I noticed that is because most people who put these sorts of lists together make the mistake of just using the airdates, and in this case UPN pushed "Lies..." back a couple of weeks and ended up airing it after the WB aired "Orpheus".

Mar 31, 2009 0:24:03 GMT -5 darthrosenberg9 said:

That's funny! The region 1 DVDs don't have the recaps on them! That would be really spoilery!! That's too bad!

I wish they at least had them as a menu option that you could watch if you wanted too, tho (like the "Deadwood" DVDs do). Especially since whoever was responsible for cutting them out went a little too far on "End of Days" and actually ended up cutting off the beginning of the episode!

Maybe when the BluRays come out...

[iamthewalrus]

the only menu i can think of atm is that Faith appears on the menu screen of disk 5, season 7 (i think), before she's even come back

[Krescan]

thanks all i knew i'd get the answers i was needing

[Tyler Austin "tiewashere"]

Yeah, I went with the IMDB air dates. It worked out, though. Yeah, on my computer I have Buffy in red and Angel in blue. I was going to bold Buffy...but I thought either way it'd be hard to read.

People can save it to their computer and format it however they like.

[birdandbear]

If you're watching the special features, be very careful. There's some kind of panel discussion on the third disc of season 6 where they discuss the death of Tara extensively - half a season before it happens. If you're into special features I'd suggest saving everything but episode commentaries until you've finished the season.

[Skytteflickan88]

I think episode commentaries could be spoilery too. I can't recall any spoilers, but you never know.

[gumgnome]

I wouldn't watch commentaries until i've seen the whole series through - you'll miss the actual content of the episodes for one thing. But a specific example of spoiler: in the commentary for Consequences (S3_15) Michael Gershwin describes in detail the filming of the subway fight between Spike and Robin's mother in Fool for Love (S5_7).

[Krescan]

good points, she doesn't care much for the special features so i watch them on my own so no worries there, and i'm not really big on commentaries, i tend to get distracted with the show or the commentary and i miss out on both

[Just Willow]

*is too lazy to read the whole thread*

i just wanted to comment on the spoilery menus and stuff. I remember seeing Willow on season 6, but i honestly didn't recognize her. i was just like "sweet. a new big bad. looks cool." lol. and i had a friend who was watching everything, and since i'm a big geek and know what;s on every menu, i would always stand i n front of the TV so she couldn't see anything until i started the episode

[gumgnome]

^^Now that's going the extra mile for someone else's watching benefit. Karma.