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Post by Mathieu on Apr 18, 2009 20:58:24 GMT -5
People do say what's up in the US too. I'll ask somebody what's up and they will say what's up back to me... nobody really expects an answer! Or most of the time you will say not much, or maybe it's just me and my uneventful life!
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Apr 21, 2009 10:13:58 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I live in the UK and when I said I watched Buffy someone said that.
I said back "define exactly what a girly show is?" and they said "I don't know". Its just teens being pathetic.
Anyway dont watch for the actresses or anything like that (or should I say actors because im gay) but I watch it because I genuingly love the show.
Its an amazing show with so much detail and imagination and its the kind of thing I have always been into. Im still at school (im 15) and everyone knows I love Buffy but they dont call it a girly show. Just say to them that it isnt and explain that half of the viewers are probably men.
Also ask them why they think its a girly show and I guarentee you they wont be able to give you a proper answer.
Plus if you use my advice let me know how it goes. It worked for me
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 13:39:54 GMT -5
I'm going to say this, and I'm probably going to be yelled at, sorry if this causes an outrage, but considering that probably half the viewership of Buffy is girls and the other half is guys among whom 50% are gay, maybe BTVS is a girly show after all, and that's ok with me!
I'm bisexual myself so I don't have a problem saying that. I know I'm going to be hated by all the straight male fans around here who will argue I'm dead wrong, but let's face it... Buffy is immensely popular in the gay community. If so many guys watch the show, it's because most of them are gay... don't you think?
75% of viewers being either girls (straight or gay) or gay guys? Sometimes I can understand why people call BTVS a girly show. That being said, I still think the show has every reason to also appeal to straight guys, if they only gave it a chance.
Now I'm ready to be yelled at!
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 14:47:00 GMT -5
I'm not gonna shout, but its a case of people steortyping gay guys into a girly category, I see were you're coming from. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, there will be no actual way of knowing that outside of this forum if there are more guy or gal viewers unless every Buffy fan steps up in a one off survey to identify who many people what Buffy. So if you want to go ahead and organise that...  I wish I could organize that. I love statistics. |
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Post by Wyndam on Apr 21, 2009 15:11:28 GMT -5
Without statistics you can't really say that Buffy is a girly show just because you think viewership is 50% female, 50% male and then 50% of those males being gay. That just doesn't work at all and just stereotypes a majority of the male viewership.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 15:29:05 GMT -5
Without statistics you can't really say that Buffy is a girly show just because you think viewership is 50% female, 50% male and then 50% of those males being gay. That just doesn't work at all and just stereotypes a majority of the male viewership. I know my statement is not based on any serious survey or statistics. I'm just assuming... but honestly, no matter what the split between male viewers and female viewers really is (60/40 or 50/50 or 40/60), there's still a relevant percentage of male viewers that are gay or bi. That, you can't deny. Does this officially make Buffy a girly show? I guess it would be very controversial to say yes. Because gay does not equal girly, right? But in the mind of many people, it probably does. |
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 18:07:21 GMT -5
I thought the unofficial statistic was one in ten people is homosexual. I do think it might be higher than that though. But there's a high probability that at least 3 people out of ten are bisexual. Anyway, this is probably off topic indeed.
Now that you mention the comics, I think you're getting onto something here. I guess most Buffy viewers were girls (maybe 65%) but comics are more a guy thing so while a wide share of the female viewers might have given up on Buffy completely, a majority of the guys continue to follow BTVS through season 8, and it actually evens things out in terms of how many girls and how many guys are still following Buffy, especially on Slayalive.
I know I'm refering to a bunch of stereotypes but these stereotypes are still accurate and applicable in our present society.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 18:23:07 GMT -5
I was not saying that males tend to use the Internet more or that there are more male fans on this website, I only assumed guys are generally more into comics and in the end, for the reasons I explained above, we pretty much end up having as many guys as we have girls on this forum.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 19:21:27 GMT -5
We're on the same page then! Not on the fact that Buffy is a girly show, but on all the rest ;-)
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Post by wenxina on Apr 21, 2009 19:59:03 GMT -5
If I may, the next time someone decides to make a sweeping statement about any group of people claiming statistics to be the be all and end all, I'd suggest they post a link to where they're citing their stats and conclusions from. Statistics mean crap without interpretation, and there are many interpretations of the same data set.
The resident science guy hath spoken. Carry on.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 20:16:50 GMT -5
If I may, the next time someone decides to make a sweeping statement about any group of people claiming statistics to be the be all and end all, I'd suggest they post a link to where they're citing their stats and conclusions from. Statistics mean crap without interpretation, and there are many interpretations of the same data set. The resident science guy hath spoken. Carry on. I don't have any link to give you. All the statistics I cited came from my take on the world. I don't have any sources. Those stats only relect my opinion and are not based on any scientific survey. They're basically crap, on that we can absolutely agree. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 21, 2009 20:25:02 GMT -5
They are not stats then.  If it's just your opinion, then it's just that, your opinion. No stats there. And that's fine. Just don't claim statistics. |
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 20:33:13 GMT -5
I wasn't claiming anything at all.
The thing I mentioned about one in ten people being gay was something that I did read a long time ago, so don't ask me the source! It was just a piece of paper that I came across someday about pointless statistics, probably far from accurate anyway.
I don't think it's such a big deal anyway. I like to use percentage in life to explain my point to others.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 21, 2009 20:48:35 GMT -5
Exactly my point as to why the term "statistics" shouldn't be thrown around loosely. If you use percentages (which is a statistic), then it is implied that you have actual stats to make a point. I have no problem with people throwing their "opinions", "assumptions", etc around, but do not use made up numbers just because you're trying to make a point, because it's inherently false. As for the 10% figure mathieu, I'm pretty sure it's a Kinsey thing.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 21:18:09 GMT -5
Exactly my point as to why the term "statistics" shouldn't be thrown around loosely. If you use percentages (which is a statistic), then it is implied that you have actual stats to make a point. I have no problem with people throwing their "opinions", "assumptions", etc around, but do not use made up numbers just because you're trying to make a point, because it's inherently false. As for the 10% figure mathieu, I'm pretty sure it's a Kinsey thing. Wow, you really don't kid about figures, do you? I guess I'll have to behave! It's going to be hard to restrain myself, I love percentages (even fake ones). You're probably right about the 10% thing, probably from a Kinsey study. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 21, 2009 21:51:53 GMT -5
Wow, you really don't kid about figures, do you? I guess I'll have to behave! It's going to be hard to restrain myself, I love percentages (even fake ones). You're probably right about the 10% thing, probably from a Kinsey study. Nope... in my line of work, figures are important, and it's even more important to get them right. So I don't take them lightly. Fake percentages are misleading as people may think that you are citing a reputable study. |
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 21, 2009 22:14:58 GMT -5
Wow, you really don't kid about figures, do you? I guess I'll have to behave! It's going to be hard to restrain myself, I love percentages (even fake ones). You're probably right about the 10% thing, probably from a Kinsey study. Nope... in my line of work, figures are important, and it's even more important to get them right. So I don't take them lightly. Fake percentages are misleading as people may think that you are citing a reputable study. Oh, I don't think anybody would take me seriously ;-) But technically, you are right. No more percentages unless I have a great source to cite. Also I could continue to cite made up percentages and have them followed by "(this is not based on a real study, I made that up to express my opinion)". It could become some sort of official label you have to use in that case. Or am I pushing it? :-p I've been using a lot of smileys today. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 21, 2009 23:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by gumgnome on Apr 22, 2009 5:17:18 GMT -5
Huh? That was weird. On the actual topic of the thread, I think it's pretty bizarre that the layman (by this i mean people who haven't watched Buffy) would assume 'girly-show'. In my experience of telling randomers that I am obsessed with Buffy, the immediate response is that i do so for all the eye-candy on display, which makes me think that they would think that it's a vehicle to watch SMG and CC etc jump around all sweaty like.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Apr 22, 2009 10:30:22 GMT -5
I'm not gonna shout, but its a case of people steortyping gay guys into a girly category I hate it when people do that. Just because were gay doesnt mean we love girly stuff. |
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