jellymoff
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Post by jellymoff on May 26, 2009 14:59:54 GMT -5
Stand by my opinion. I saw Point Pleasant. I LOVED Point Pleasant.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:00:02 GMT -5
Yes people please keep posting, but lets keep it respectful to one another...as there should be no hurt feelings on the forum! We're all here for the same reason, let's not forget!
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Danner
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Post by Danner on May 26, 2009 15:09:28 GMT -5
I don't... understand this. Are they just making a new story in the Buffy universe, or are they re-inventing Buffy herself AND the world she lives in? Either way, I'm extremely disappointed. I feel a bit betrayed, really, because the storyline I've loved will be changed so drastically. (Though, I do imagine that this was how the fans of the original Buffy movie felt after the TV show aired, even though the two stories could be vaguely linked). I just think this is an awful idea. Yes, the story behind Buffy is great, but pulling away all of the things that made it as great as it was is definitely not good strategy.
Gah. I might make a more coherent post when I'm less upset about this. This and prop 8 have pretty much put me in the worst mood of my life.
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 15:12:21 GMT -5
Not commenting on the posts, merely to say I know how you feel Danner, regarding Prop 8. Not gay myself but have friends who are and this is just a really bad day for justice and common sense.
Anyway, that's all I'm saying.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:15:26 GMT -5
I don't... understand this. Are they just making a new story in the Buffy universe, or are they re-inventing Buffy herself and the world she lives in? Either way, I'm extremely disappointed. I feel a bit betrayed, really, because the storyline I've loved will be changed so drastically. (Though, I do imagine that this was how the fans of the original Buffy movie felt after the TV show aired, even though the two stories could be vaguely linked). I just think this is an awful idea. Yes, the story behind Buffy is great, but pulling away all of the things that made it as great as it was is definitely not good strategy. Gah. I might make a more coherent post when I'm less upset about this. This and prop 8 have pretty much put me in the worst mood of my life. Me too Danner. And here I was trying to take a break from the forum for personal reasons. I am so annoyed I could die! I wanna add that a new Buffy movie is a dream to me, but I never expected it would come like this. It seems like of all the fandoms, ours is always shat on. No joke. Anything set during Buffy's life in Sunnydale, as well as things like a Nikki Wood movie would be made of FAIL. Why see a movie about a chick we already know dies at the hand of Spike? Anything set in the time of Buffy Summers is doomed because we all know she is the one, other stories don't matter if she lives. It's always been about her. Even in Fray's time! Come on VERTIGO! Come CORRECT with this shit. Get JOSS, Sarah, the cast, the writers back and do this properly and it will be a hit like we haven't seen.
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 26, 2009 15:19:49 GMT -5
Come on VERTIGO! Come CORRECT with this shit. Get JOSS, Sarah, the cast, the writers back and do this properly and it will be a hit like we haven't seen. This is exactly what I don't understand! Why the Kazuis? This might be wrong, but I can't get over how selfish this seems. They were given credit for every episode of Buffy and Angel without even lifting a finger, they got paid for crying out loud. If they want to start a franchise, why can't they come up with something out of their own brains, not mooching off of something that another man created. This just seems extremely disrespectful.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:23:07 GMT -5
I hope FOX sees our fandom going ape, and says "hey there's massive coverage of this and media interest! hey they want Joss and company back! hey Vertigo, do that!"
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Danner
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Post by Danner on May 26, 2009 15:23:39 GMT -5
A small part of me is hoping that if we make enough of an uproar, the plans will be altered. I would LOVE to see the old cast and writers come together and make a kickass movie. This, though... Well, it seems surreal and ridiculous. I'm not going to completely reserve myself to any extreme opinions of the movie until more information is released, but my initial impressions are definitely not good.
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Post by FiveByFiveFVS on May 26, 2009 15:24:20 GMT -5
This is exactly what I don't understand! Why the Kazuis? This might be wrong, but I can't get over how selfish this seems. They were given credit for every episode of Buffy and Angel without even lifting a finger, they got paid for crying out loud. If they want to start a franchise, why can't they come up with something out of their own brains, not mooching off of something that another man created. This just seems extremely disrespectful. Agreed. This is just a lame attempt to make money. Damn Twilight for making vampires popular for the wrong reasons!
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:24:50 GMT -5
A small part of me is hoping that if we make enough of an uproar, the plans will be altered. I would LOVE to see the old cast and writers come together and make a kickass movie. This, though... Well, it seems surreal and ridiculous. I'm not going to completely reserve myself to any extreme opinions of the movie until more information is released, but my initial impressions are definitely not good. Exactly. Let's hope the media coverage of this, paired with our disdain for the idea causes the people behind this to re-format their plans and come correct!
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Post by Emmie on May 26, 2009 15:29:45 GMT -5
For better or worse, big-budget movies are not geared towards fans and mainstream audiences will not care about Joss' involvement. That's just it though. It's being suggested that this won't be "big budget". But it's too soon to tell. I think it is perfectly fine to judge this movie before hearing more information about it. All this movie is, it's only purpose is to cash in on the recent success of Vampire literature and film, as well as the recent trend of series reboots and re-imaginings. And the fact that the Kuzuis' bank account has been dwindling since Angel went off the air, and Joss hasn't made any new Buffy spinoffs for them to leech off of. Like I said... a vampire is a parasite who feeds off the blood and energy of someone with a life. And Fox has a closet full of sharp stakes in their legal department. THIS. This is exactly it. The Kuzui's finally have a way to make their rights on the Buffy character a sound investment again. And who cares if what the make is utter shit. They made the first movie and then leeched off the TV show's success (hello DVD sales, etc) for years. Now they have a way to shake the goose and make it lay more eggs. Problem is the goose wasn't ready to lay eggs so...premature labor = cracked, gross eggs. I said the lack of Joss doesn't break the movie, the involvement of the Kuzui's does. I agree completely. It's the Kuzui's involvement that's galling. How can Joss or anyone else involved with the show be sickened about a Buffy reboot that hasn't even been written yet, let alone cast and filmed? i really don't get this animosity. Because Buffy the Vampire Slayer is his baby and has been for 15 years. You might not get that, but the vast majority of the fandom... and I daresay almost everyone involved in the show... does. Joss and Buffy are inextricably linked. That's just the way it is. Taking Buffy away from him would be j ust wrong.Not to mention ALL of the media right now. The media is exploding with disapproval about this too.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:35:23 GMT -5
Never have we seen such outrage I don't think. Especially from the media, who are agreeing with the fans on this! Tis a refreshing thing to see.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 15:37:33 GMT -5
Heh. Even the columnists who don't know much about Buffy are saying "...this doesn't sound right..."
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 26, 2009 15:39:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Buffy has gotten so much buzz in years, not including the Paley Reunion. Like you mentioned earlier, I just hope all this buzz changes the outcome of things. I love how Entertainment Weekly has a poll, and the choice "when and where is the riot" is winning by a landslide.
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Post by wenxina on May 26, 2009 15:41:26 GMT -5
I echo the tweet that went :"Oy" I left home this morning before 6am to drive my boyfriend 4 hours north to the airport (gone to Germany for 2.5 months). This thread was barely half a page long then. As I drove, I listened to random Prop 8 bits on NPR, but then shut it off after I dropped the boy off. Good thing I did. Depression might have been a bit too much to take. Anyway, I get home, and this bloody thread is 8 pages long, with essentially repetitive arguments, snide remarks, offensive language, need I go on. Charming. Here's where I weigh in. No, not having Joss' involvement doesn't equal a bad movie. No, not having any of the original cast members doesn't guarantee a bad movie. No, even the Kuzuis involvement may not (see the trepidation?) make a bad movie. But the fundamental question that's been asked several times now, and gone unanswered, is "Why Buffy? And why now?" And making a movie based on certain premises of a very successful, albeit niched TV show to suit the tastes of casual fans, non-fans, or complete newcomers to the series has to be beyond the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Why risk alienating the fanbase that WILL flock to the theaters multiple times to see their beloved show, as long as it was done right? Yeah, making a movie with Joss and Co. involved may still result in a disastrous endeavor; I personally have no desire for the franchise to be moved back to the moving picture format, but there are many who do. However, rebooting the series without at least the consent of the creator is just economical suicide. You're risking a box-office bomb, and while earnings in no way reflect the quality of a film, it's a pretty big factor in determining its success. Reading the posted article, I can't but wonder if it's a hoax. Right after the Twilight film was certified a success, people were buzzing about the potential for a BtVS movie, simply based on the premise that both BtVS and Twilight shared protagonists that loved vampires. Pretty myopic, I'd say. The quality of the article is questionable as well, given that the details are confusing: Is it just a BtVS reboot, but without the Scoobies, and original TV cast, or is it about a new Slayer? Read it carefully, and it sounds like the former, but clumsily worded. Not to be arch, but if they ever wanted to make a movie where Buffy is pregnant, strike now while the baby bump is real... Oh, and mathieu. Clearly you forgot yet another option in that poll of yours. lol.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 15:48:32 GMT -5
Chat is open for people who want to talk about this freely! Look in the navbar, and make sure you are also logged in!
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Paul
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Post by Paul on May 26, 2009 16:22:23 GMT -5
I wanna add that a new Buffy movie is a dream to me, but I never expected it would come like this. It seems like of all the fandoms, ours is always shat on. No joke. I think that's a overly pessimistic to be honest, we have twelve seasons of amazing televison and comic book continuations overseen by the original creator. As fandoms go, we're pretty lucky. You think we get shat on, you've obviously never heard of Spider-Man: One More Day. I'm going to drop this discussion for now, I think I've made my feelings clear. Basically, I don't know if the movie will be any good, but I'm not going to join the torch-wielding villagers just yet.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 16:39:12 GMT -5
Alright... now that I'm home, let's see what the legal documentation says.
The most recent Buffy product is the "Time of Your Life" trade paperback. On the copyright block it says:
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TM) & (c) 1998, 2008, 2009 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. Buffy (TM) and all other prominently featured characters are trademarks of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. Fray (TM) & (c) 2008, Joss Whedon. All rights reserved."
And then it goes on into Dark Horse's copyrights. No mention of Kuzuis.
On the box of the Buffy season 7 DVD set, we have this:
"Mutant Enemy, Inc. / Kuzui Enterprises, Inc. / Sandollar Television, Inc., in association with Twentieth Century Fox Television. (c) 2002, 2003, Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "Twentieth Century Fox," "Fox," "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and their associated logos and wordmarks are trademarks of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. (c) 2006 Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, LLC. All rights reserved." And then Fox's address.
Mutant Enemy, Kuzui Enterprises and Sandollar Television, and Fox Television are all listed *before* the copyright. That means it's a production credit, not a copyright credit. Copyright and trademark holders are listed *after* the copyright and/or trademark symbol.
So Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation is the SOLE owner of the Buffy intellectual property. Neither the Kuzuis nor Joss own any part of it. Therefore, this movie can only happen if Fox is willing to kick Joss and his loyal fans to the curb to make this movie. Considering they weren't willing to greenlight a movie for Joss himself, I find that unlikely.
(I'm pasting this message to other boards and sites. Everyone should feel free to spread this message, and post back here if you find anyone knowledgeable who can contradict this conclusion.)
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Post by mikey on May 26, 2009 16:46:37 GMT -5
I don't think a boycott is necessary. Buffy has an audience already, and the majority of them wouldn't want to see a reboot. They'd find it insulting, I think. I don't see there being a "new audience" for Buffy. If there is, they would just watch the show on DVD.
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 26, 2009 16:51:48 GMT -5
Joss speaks! Click Here!
"What do you think about this Buffy movie they're making without you? JOSS WHEDON: I hope it's cool."Well... seems like his sarcastic humor. Hopefully he elaborates more in the future.
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