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Post by Joe on May 28, 2008 17:10:53 GMT -5
At the end of issue#7 George reads the vampires mind to hear "slayer" being repeated. Well in Buffy season 3 episode "earshot". Buffy tries to read Angel's mind and finds out that you can't read vampires minds. So I was wondering if this was just a error, or if it's different for some reason. Brian, feel free to step in. It's just puzzling me.  |
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on May 28, 2008 17:18:10 GMT -5
Probably an error, but I'm sure it would have been written the same even if the "Earshot" thing had been taken into account. Buffy's mind-reading thing was kinda like a disease she caught. Betta George's POWER is to read minds, in that telepathy is as natural to him as breathing. Plus, he could control it--Buffy couldn't. And I think those two things make all the difference.
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Post by Emmie on May 28, 2008 18:12:32 GMT -5
It's something I've been wondering about Betta George's ability.
"It's like the mirror. The thoughts are there, but they create no reflection in you. You got the aspect of the demon." - Angel in Earshot
So this establishes that vampires' minds can't be read.
But this scene from 'The Gift' seems to contradict this as Willow understands what Spike is saying (she must be reading his thoughts since she's too far away to hear) in response to her telepathic communication:
WILLOW VOICEOVER: Spike. Can you hear me?
SPIKE: (frowns) Yeah, loud and clear.
WILLOW VOICEOVER: Is there someone up there with Dawn?
SPIKE: Yeah, can't tell who.
XANDER: Are you talking to us?
WILLOW VOICEOVER: Get up there. Go now.
SPIKE: Yeah, but-
WILLOW VOICEOVER: Go!
The ability to mind-read vampires seems like another discontinuity. I personally like the first explanation about vampires minds being impervious to telepathy.
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Post by buffysmglover on May 28, 2008 19:01:55 GMT -5
Willow's magicks could have easily made her capable of hearing Spike from such a far distance away. And I think that George's telepathy is a different brand of power than what Buffy caught from the demons in "Earshot". I know that sounds odd, and unlikely, but that's just what I'd like to believe.
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Post by Emmie on May 28, 2008 19:32:56 GMT -5
I wish I didn't notice these things that don't seem to line up...over 12 years of Buffyverse adds up to quite a number of discontinuity.
Maybe Willow did have a magical way to hear Spike since he was speaking out loud. But Betta George's mind reading a vampire goes against what Angel said about the nature of a vampire's mind. Although maybe BG's power is different enough that its possible, like how Angel has a reflection in the Pylean dimension. Maybe the power stretches or alters the rules somehow.
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Post by jessesopher on May 28, 2008 20:11:48 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the fact that telepathy and mind-reading are not the same thing. Mind-reading is a one-way connection, and telepathy is "The supposed ability to transmit thoughts directly to the mind of another, or to receive thoughts directly from the mind of another, without any normal causal interaction." So it's like a two-way connection. Maybe vamps can't be read, but if someone has the ability to initiate a telepathic communication, it's possible that the vampire mind allows that?
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Post by jellymoff on May 28, 2008 22:40:14 GMT -5
To add to the fire, Lorne can read Angel's destiny. It's not mind reading, but its empathic.
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Post by buffysmglover on May 28, 2008 22:46:45 GMT -5
I wish I didn't notice these things that don't seem to line up...over 12 years of Buffyverse adds up to quite a number of discontinuity. Maybe Willow did have a magical way to hear Spike since he was speaking out loud. But Betta George's mind reading a vampire goes against what Angel said about the nature of a vampire's mind. Although maybe BG's power is different enough that its possible, like how Angel has a reflection in the Pylean dimension. Maybe the power stretches or alters the rules somehow. I just thought of something: How would Angel even know for sure? Has he tried to read the thoughts of a vampire? LOL. |
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Post by Emmie on May 28, 2008 22:54:55 GMT -5
I found it interesting how Angel knew Buffy was trying to read his thoughts. Maybe he could feel her trying to probe his mind.
I'll settle for the theory that Betta George is so cool that he can even read vampire minds.
I guess such inconsistencies in the vampire mythos are the price for so many different authors writing the Buffyverse. Besides, consistency of characterization is more important.
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Post by buffysmglover on May 28, 2008 22:58:51 GMT -5
I'll settle for the theory that Betta George is so cool that he can even read vampire minds. Brian probably appreciates that. Betta George is beastly. Like Dracula in Issue 15 of Season Eight. But in a different way. |
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Post by Emmie on May 29, 2008 18:30:28 GMT -5
I'll settle for the theory that Betta George is so cool that he can even read vampire minds. Brian probably appreciates that. Betta George is beastly. Like Dracula in Issue 15 of Season Eight. But in a different way. Brian Lynch just confirmed in his third audioblog that Betta George can read vampires minds because he's super-powerful! Woot! We totally got it right. |
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Post by Brian Lynch on May 29, 2008 19:04:21 GMT -5
Betta George is able to read vampire's minds because if he couldn't, it would have been 4 issues of a fish staring at Spike for some weird reason.
Oh, and he's really powerful. You'll see...
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Post by buffysmglover on May 29, 2008 19:06:59 GMT -5
Betta George is able to read vampire's minds because if he couldn't, it would have been 4 issues of a fish staring at Spike for some weird reason. Oh, and he's really powerful. You'll see... Thanks! I need the comedy of a talented writer every once in a... day. |
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Post by mattitudev2 on May 29, 2008 23:04:53 GMT -5
I love Betta George! I didn't know what to think of him at first, but now I find him to be hilarious.
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Post by themaleslayer on May 31, 2008 20:49:23 GMT -5
Has anyone seen That 70's Show? When I try to imagine a voice for Betta George, I think of the hippie Leo, played by Tommy Chong.
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Post by balesthebloody on May 31, 2008 20:51:55 GMT -5
Has anyone seen That 70's Show? When I try to imagine a voice for Betta George, I think of the hippie Leo, played by Tommy Chong. That would be..... GREAT!!!! I love that show! |
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 31, 2008 20:52:37 GMT -5
Has anyone seen That 70's Show? When I try to imagine a voice for Betta George, I think of the hippie Leo, played by Tommy Chong. Haha, that is funny. I was always curious about how people imagined Betta George's voice. I just use some regular dude's voice, but kind of muffled, like they are talking underwater. |
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Post by Brian Lynch on May 31, 2008 22:31:25 GMT -5
Any voice you wanna picture is a-okay with me!
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Post by nathanoleary90 on Jun 1, 2008 17:28:52 GMT -5
I always imagine him having a real cool like stereotypical 'black' accent
I can't think of any actors who's voice i imagine, sort of gruff like Jeff Fahey (he plays Frank Lapidus on lost) and Uncle Phil from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
Lol
I wonder how the writers hear him!!!
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Post by nathanoleary90 on Jun 1, 2008 17:29:30 GMT -5
Also, i know jeff fahey isn't black, just the gruffness and tone from him lol
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