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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 11:36:09 GMT -5
I think Angel and Spike could both take on several Turok-Hans and kick their asses. And I'd expect Edward to take on several as well.
I'm judging from how I saw Buffy fight them and how I think Angel's, Spike's and Edward's strength compared to Buffy's.
But the thing is, it all depends who tells the story.
In case Joss wrote a cross-over story where Edward was evil, Angel or Spike would be able to take him, since they probably have more experience with fighting. But in case Angel lost his soul, I see Joss using Edwrad and his strength to help the AI or Scoobies to take Angelus out.
In case Meyer wrote the story, I think Edward would definitly win, considering the way she describes them as extremely hard to kill.
That element adds to how hard it is to judge.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 14:28:19 GMT -5
In case Meyer wrote the story, I think Edward would definitly win, considering the way she describes them as extremely hard to kill. Because is a human perspective (Bella), not supernatural. Besides the granite skin (Which for a Turok-Han is like a sheet of paper, apart from that their bones are same solid as steel (Anya said it)), Edward has the same skills as any vampire.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 15:12:25 GMT -5
nick, I really wish you would read the books before saying things like that. You have no idea if Bella's perspective is objective enough or not.
Why would you assume that steel could break Edward's skin? Steel can't break his skin, so even if the Turok-Hans was as strong as steel it wouldn't help. Maybe the Turok-han would just be able to give Edward a bruise. Now, if you gave the Turok-Han weapons of diamond, he might have a chance. But cosnidering how aninimalistic Turok-Hans are, and that Edward can react and move faster (as seen when Dawn overcomes the Turok-Hans who didn't figure out in time, or move fast enough before they were burning).
So even if you gave Turok-Hans diamond claws, I think Edward is both fast and smart enough to be able to take them out.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 16:48:22 GMT -5
Again, and again and again that excuse U_U.... I already saw the second movie (bored movie, but Jacob is cool), I doubt that the powers vary much on the book third or fourth... Solid steel bones is much more hard than the skin granite. (as seen when Dawn overcomes the Turok-Hans who didn't figure out in time, or move fast enough before they were burning) I quoted again this... buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Turok-Han_VampireA Turok-Han is super fast.... I can ignore the last two books, but your ignorance to the powers in the Buffyverse is complete. Chapter here Minute 20:00 The Turok-Han is running around Buffy, and she doesn't realize. (Buffy can take Angel, and Angel seems that is teleports, so you can imagine it) Angel Vs Edward can be questionable (Or not... ), but Edward Vs Turok-Han??? Excuse me?? A prehistoric vampire of millions old vs a teenager vampire of 108 old? It's unbelievable the legacy that left Meyers...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 17:06:21 GMT -5
I watched the clip in the ep and once more I say; Edward is faster. He would have been a blurr, while the turok-han looked just a bit faster than ordinary vamps.
It was a while since I saw the movie, so I can't use it to compare, but turok-han got nothing on the book's twilight-vampires.
Is there any twilight-readers out there who can give me a example of how fast they move? Couldn't they cross states in under a hour? I'm too lazy to flip through the books to be sure.
About the granite vs steel thing, I have to ask a expert, I just think that the way Edward's skin is described in the books makes it seem like almost nothing in that world could break it. Edward even had to use his own fangs, since he knew of nothing harder, to break another person's vampire skin (but that skin might have been extra hard, harder than other vamps, I have to check). So I doubt the Turok-han's steel-hard is anything compared to that.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 17:21:36 GMT -5
Angel isn't even a blur, directly seems that is teleports.
Granite is harder than ordinary steel (Solid steel I doubt it).... But only skin, don't.
Edward vs Angel was fun.... But this makes me crazy, think that a Turok-Han is weak vs Edward... It's unbelievable...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 17:37:33 GMT -5
Edward vs Angel was fun.... But this makes me crazy, think that a Turok-Han is weak vs Edward... It's unbelievable... When did Angel teleport? When no one was looking at him? In case they've been looking at him, I think they would have seen a blurr too. And this is the way it goes with Turok-Hans. Buffy could kill it after some preparation. I think with a little more effort, Angel could too, but probably not as fast. And since I think Edward could beat Buffy and Angel, I naturally think Edward could beat the Turok-Han. And about the Turok-Han being older than Edward isn't a argument, considering that 20-year olds beat very old creatures all the time in the Buffyverse. EDIT- Btw, where was it mentioned that it was old? Million's old at that. How are we sure The First didn't make it in Season 7?
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 17:47:58 GMT -5
When did Angel teleport? When no one was looking at him? In case they've been looking at him, I think they would have seen a blurr too. Don't distort the video, he seems that is teleports, is a fact. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9whyEjwl4And since I think Edward could beat Buffy and Angel, I naturally think Edward could beat the Turok-Han. This is what would tell Twilightfangirl. Unbelievable. And about the Turok-Han being older than Edward isn't a argument, considering that 20-year olds beat very old creatures all the time in the Buffyverse. Maybe yes, maybe not... I'm comparing the power of two vampires... Not the heroine vs the monsters. EDIT: My mistake... Millions don't xDD hundreds of thousands hehe Giles said: "As Neanderthals are to human beings, the Turok-Han are to vampires. They're a primordial, ferociously powerful killing machine, as single-minded as animals. They are the vampires that vampires fear. An ancient and entirely different race, and until this morning, I thought they were a myth."
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 18:02:24 GMT -5
When did Angel teleport? When no one was looking at him? In case they've been looking at him, I think they would have seen a blurr too. Don't distort the video, he seems that is teleports, is a fact. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9whyEjwl4Have you been listening to me? I have already said that it can seem like Angel teleports. He's very very fast. But in that video, we don't see if he is blurry when moving or not, because he doesn't move on screen, we, the audience, don't get to see exactly how fast it moves, if it's a blurr or not. That was what I said. So my guess is, WHEN HE MOVES HE LOOKS BLURRY. That was uncalled for. You are once again attacking my person. I don't know much of your culture or personality, so maybe you don't think you're rude, but on this forum we are suppose to argue opinions, not to call each other bad names. It only mentions that their race came before the ordinary vampires, not that that single Turok-Han was old. EDIT- Nevermind, I see that when I said "When did Angel teleport?" it could seem as if I denied that it happened, not that I was asking for the scene where it happened. That was what I meant.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 18:27:29 GMT -5
Have you been listening to me? I have already said that it can seem like Angel teleports. He's very very fast. But in that video, we don't see if he is blurry when moving or not, because he doesn't move on screen, we, the audience, don't get to see exactly how fast it moves, if it's a blurr or not. That was what I said. So my guess is, WHEN HE MOVES HE LOOKS BLURRY. But he don't look blurry, in a split second he moves so fast that neither the blur appears. That was uncalled for. You are once again attacking my person. I don't know much of your culture or personality, so maybe you don't think you're rude, but on this forum we are suppose to argue opinions, not to call each other bad names. My apologies, but that's how I feel about you, when I say "Twilightfangirl" I don't mean you're a stupid girl, indeed you're someone who knows argue very properly, I mean that you are so blinded by the Twilight, that you don't see obvious things,.... Personal tastes are subjective, I love Angel, but he couldn't objectively with a Turok-Han, he is much weaker (I mean to level of powers... Not strategies etc)... And Edward hasn't shown overcome to Angel apart of the granite skin easily breakable for someone with super strength (Another thing would be to be like The Beast, composed entirely of rock and magma... Even so Angel can (Barely) resist his knocking). It only mentions that their race came before the ordinary vampires, not that that single Turok-Han was old. Turok-Han are neanderthal vampires.... The first proto-Neanderthal traits appeared in Europe as early as 600,000–350,000 years ago. EDIT: Okey, then we agree
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 18:48:10 GMT -5
We don't know if Angel was blurry or not, because the movement happened off screen. We don't see him move from point A to point B, so we can only guess what he looked like.
I think you misunderstood what Giles meant. He meant that at first, there were Turok-Hans. Then they eventually evolved into ordinary vampires, just like neanderthal's eventually developed into us. That doesn't mean that the Turok-Hans appeared at the same time as the human neanderthals.
But that's not what I was pointing out. The turok-hans the scoobies were fighting could have been created recently, no matter when the race was created.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 19:10:59 GMT -5
We don't know if Angel was blurry or not, because the movement happened off screen. We don't see him move from point A to point B, so we can only guess what he looked like. Well, the camera's plane doesn't change, and the time is a normal course. Even Lilah look back. Other example: The doors's car are closed and remain closed when he's went, he's gone so fast that neither Lilah noticed of that. ///////////// About Turok-Han things, Giles explains that are as old as the Neanderthals. Maybe even more if they believed they were a myth. But that's not what I was pointing out. The turok-hans the scoobies were fighting could have been created recently, no matter when the race was created. Also could that they would like playing the xbox 360, we'll never know. Seriously, they remained on the Hellmouth for thousands of years, because in that case, The First could have created more Turok-Hans.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 19:14:50 GMT -5
About Turok-Han things, Giles explains that are as old as the Neanderthals. Maybe even more if they believed they were a myth. He does not say that. He just compared the turok-hans to neanderthals, he didn't say they were as old. That is a possibility, yes. Or the first used dark magic to bring them back.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 19:27:46 GMT -5
He does not say that. He just compared the turok-hans to neanderthals, he didn't say they were as old. . But if Giles compares the Turok-Hans to Neanderthals... He's refered that they have the same old. That is a possibility, yes. Or the first used dark magic to bring them back. I repeat it again, why The First don't make the abrakadabra again? It's more logical to think they were always there.... Whatever, the rookies Turok-Hans have the same power as old Turok-Hans in that case.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 19:34:57 GMT -5
He does not say that. He just compared the turok-hans to neanderthals, he didn't say they were as old. . But if Giles compares the Turok-Hans to Neanderthals... He's refered that they have the same old. I really don't think that's what he meant, I think he meant that the turok-hans were a older version of ordinary vampires, just like neanderthals are older versions of humans.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 19:41:21 GMT -5
That's the point. It's a literal meaning, not metaphorically, is an ancient species of vampire analogous to Neanderthal man.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 19:57:21 GMT -5
That's the point. It's a literal meaning, not metaphorically, is an ancient species of vampire analogous to Neanderthal man. I'm not sure if either one's of our guesses are literal or metaphorical. As Giles said, they're primordial. Primordial to vampires, just like neanderthals are primordial to us. www.answers.com/topic/primordial
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 20:04:04 GMT -5
Skytte if they are primordials, they have stayed here since always, so they can be even much old hahaha xDDDD
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 25, 2009 20:17:55 GMT -5
Skytte if they are primordials, they have stayed here since always, so they can be even much old hahaha xDDDD Not necassarily. Primordial could also refer to the beginning of the vampire race, not time. I see that we'll get nowhere with this. It's not like it's entirely unlikely that you're right, since Giles mentions that they're a different race. It is a ambigious line, but I don't think the writers meant it the way you think.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 20:26:26 GMT -5
It's assumed that they were the firsts vampires. It is a ambigious line, but I don't think the writers meant it the way you think. I think totally the opposite, if the writers take these examples is that in reality are just as old, or even more. I see that we'll get nowhere with this. I agree with that. ;D
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