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Post by dane5by5 on Aug 15, 2009 8:16:03 GMT -5
This was very well done. Perhaps the best Harmony piece out of the three that Jane Espenson has written (Harmonic Divergence, Harmony Bites and Harmony Comes to the Nation), definitely the funniest. The Barbara Walters joke was classic Harmony. Poor Babs.
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Post by underworld on Aug 15, 2009 9:23:07 GMT -5
Sorry.......but vampires are cool......
Twilight.........
Joss really is having a dig at Stephanie Meyer isn't he?
Anyway, this little snippet was kind of fun, but I can't help but feel that the concept of Vampires being "out" is so much better than the execution.
Compared to the last two issues of the comic this kind of felt.....lacking.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 15, 2009 11:19:44 GMT -5
Haha. Interesting to see Harmony and Stephen Colbert together. I could easily hear both voices as I was reading. "I call these my Colbert bumps." Also, the whole thing about vampires being in the media and people thinking they're cool reminds me very much of True Blood. Yep, there is definitely a whole, "vampires yay" theme happening.
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Post by Marcos on Aug 15, 2009 22:23:26 GMT -5
Haha. Interesting to see Harmony and Stephen Colbert together. I could easily hear both voices as I was reading. "I call these my Colbert bumps." Also, the whole thing about vampires being in the media and people thinking they're cool reminds me very much of True Blood. Yep, there is definitely a whole, "vampires yay" theme happening. Actually, watch True Blood closely and you'll find that vamps are actually in a similar situation of how the black people were treated some decades ago, with the KKK, fighting for humans rights, and all that stuff. The church declared big fat war on vampires, and almost everyone fears them (best case scenario), or hate them. Of course, there are a minority of vamp-lovers out there (called fang-bangers), but most of those (not all) are driven by a deathy-wishy libido. That's what a call a realistic portrail of vampires-coming-out...
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Post by Secret Scoobie on Aug 16, 2009 8:18:31 GMT -5
Sorry to be the dumb one in this thread but can someone explain the references to me? I don't get most of it! Is it cos I'm no American? hehe. Well, let's see... Stephen Colbert is a comedian and interviewer who has a show called The Colbert Report (pronounced: Cole-Bare Re-Pore) on the Comedy Central channel. He's very popular and is known for interviewing major political figures. His popularity makes it almost mandatory for them to appear on his show, but he is feared by them for his ability to manipulate them into making fools of themselves and exposing their own hypocrisy or ignorance. All without ever breaking character or speaking a serious or confrontational word. The "banking industry" reference of course refers to the recent worldwide banking crisis sparked by "bloodsucking" speculators and unethical investment managers. "The View" is a fairly popular talk show in which a group of women sit around discussing (and often arguing about) current affairs. "Barbara" is veteran journalist Barbara Walters, the host of the show. The "Colbert bump" refers to the bump in popularity and notoriety people get after appearing on the Colbert Report. THANKS so much. Yeah it was the whole Colbert thing that was foreign to me. And the banking bit went over my head. The view was the only thing there on my radar. Haha. *karma for helps* Yeah I guess it's funnier now I know, but still it's not really up there with any of the other MDHP's or Buffy s8 related comics.... disappointing considering it was Jane!
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 16, 2009 13:13:54 GMT -5
I've always assumed Twilight was behind Harmony's show, but you're right... this is the most explicit confirmation so far of that connection. It's the first we've been told that Harmony wants to end magic, not just Slayers. But wouldn't such an act also take out Harmony too? I can maybe believe Warren and Amy cause they are driven by revenge and may not realise that consequences of their actions... but Harmony appears to explicitly know about Twilight's plan to end all magic and Slayers... wouldn't this also negate the vampire? Then again, it is Harmony we're talking about. You'd have to put it into words she'd understand: "no more unicorns!"
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Post by wenxina on Aug 16, 2009 13:24:54 GMT -5
You'd have to put it into words she'd understand: "no more unicorns!" I wanna be in the audience of The Oprah Winfrey show when that happens... I mean... Harmony is going to want to publish a biography of sorts soon ( No Harm in Dying anyone?), and who else to help peddle your tripe than Oprah? Not that Oprah picks lousy books, but the moment she says "Read this, it'll change your life!", you can bet that Barnes and Noble will be overstocking on the title. So just imagine Oprah finally dropping that bomb on Harmony...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 16, 2009 13:36:58 GMT -5
I think this exchange was a deliberate nod to the weirdness and illogic of the situation:
HARMONY: "I think it's time to give the world back to humanity. Because as a vampire, I think that magical powers are confusing and wrong."
STEPHEN: "Yes, I don't see any conflict in that at all..."
In the course of these two pages, Harmony said no fewer than four completely astonishing things:
1. Said she wants to give the world back to humanity. (A strange ethic for a vampire).
2. Said she wants to end magic, despite obviously depending on magic for her existence.
3. Openly admitted to being evil.
4. Openly admitted that vampires kill people as an integral part of their nature.
And if Harmony knows about the campaign to end magic and is willing to talk about it on a TV show... that means all of Twilight's other magical minions know it too. Including Amy, who would be nothing without magic, and Warren... who would be dead without it.
I just... can't figure out how any of this makes sense. Either there's a very big and complex blanket spell at work here, or this is by far the most careless bit of plotting in the history of Whedonverse canon. I have to assume it's the former... I just can't imagine Joss allowing such a stupendous plot hole out into the wild with his name attached to it.
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 16, 2009 17:47:05 GMT -5
Agree. It's stupid to brush Amy and Warren under the rug as "meh they're bad guys" - this is Buffy not Power Rangers! It's ridiculous if they don't explain why Warren especially would want an end to magic as it would indeed kill him. Amy you could argue has issues about wanting to be the most powerful witch ever, and so is even willing to deny magic to the world so she's no longer inadequate. Harmony is just a halfwit so she is explained. But Warren's situation is bizarre.
Unless Twilight's end goal is rid the world of magic, save himself - making him a god. I refuse to believe that Twilight's angle is just that he wants to restore balance in the universe by cancelling all magic. Maybe I'm skeptical of his 'altruism', but there's always an angle. What other one is there other than a deeper urge to get revenge on Buffy for some reason?
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Aug 16, 2009 17:52:33 GMT -5
Wow, Season 8 has really "Jumped the shark", as much as I love Harmony, I'm not really into the Vamps coming out storyline.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 16, 2009 18:09:16 GMT -5
Roden, back in NFFY, claimed Twilight had promised to exempt him from the magical ban in payment for his service... and I have to assume that most if not all of his other magical minions have been promised something similar. Harmony may have been promised to be the only vampire left on earth, with all of humanity to choose from for food and playthings. Of course, T will have promised the same thing to all the other vamps who serve him.
If so, then it is indeed a case of T telling the world "I want to end all magic in the world" but really meaning "...except for me and my army of demons, sorcerers and vampires."
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Aug 16, 2009 22:23:39 GMT -5
Yeah, this is kind of the vibe I'm getting from all this. And if THAT'S true, then the "I want to end magic" deal is just a lie meant to draw in supporters. Or maybe just a lie based in some form of truth.
Ack, I don't even know anymore. I'll come back to this after I've studied Season Eight more intensely.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 16, 2009 22:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah, this is kind of the vibe I'm getting from all this. And if THAT'S true, then the "I want to end magic" deal is just a lie meant to draw in supporters. Or maybe just a lie based in some form of truth. Ack, I don't even know anymore. I'll come back to this after I've studied Season Eight more intensely. After NFFY Twilight told Lt. Molter that Gigi and Roden being killed suited his plans... that he was only using them and, as a Slayer and a sorcerer, he fully intended them to die when their usefulness was over. It may be he intends to betray all his magical minions that way... or that may just be what he tells his non-magical supporters, so they continue to believe he intends to banish magic (which is why they're supporting him). If so, it's a dangerously complex web of lies he's spinning here.
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 17, 2009 2:00:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm thinking either web of lies from Twilight or he isn't really going to end magic at all, and we'll see his true motivations revealed in the near future.
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 17, 2009 13:17:34 GMT -5
Like I said - they always have an angle. If Twilight was good he'd have tried to reach out to Buffy first about the Slayer thing. He didn't. He's a bad guy. And bad guys are evil. He wants something... I doubt he wants money... I'm going for power. He wants to reign supreme with magic that only he can use.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Aug 22, 2009 15:43:19 GMT -5
Not that Oprah picks lousy books, but the moment she says "Read this, it'll change your life!", you can bet that Barnes and Noble will be overstocking on the title. Try having everyone think you're related to the woman. It's pure madness! Anyway, I just read this and I thought it was hilarious. I think Jane nails Stephen Colbert's character even better than Harmony's! She's clearly a fan.
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