Paul
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Post by Paul on Sept 26, 2010 15:17:41 GMT -5
(An open question is why, since Glory's formula for opening the portal required bleeding the Key's body, she was so surprised to find out it was in the form of a living person?) Fanwank alert! It's been a while since I watched S5 but didn't the Scoobies find out about the blood thing from Doc's stuff? Maybe only Doc knew about the blood and he didn't contact Glory until after she already knew Dawn was the Key. We don't know much about the Glory/Doc relationship, do we?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 26, 2010 15:25:12 GMT -5
Re: the white energy ball. I take that to refer to the portal itself, not to the Key. If they were trying to make the point that the Key was leaking out of Dawn and forming a portal (a Key that's its own door?), they more likely would have had it be green, since the Key energy was repeatedly mentioned as being green.
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D'Hoffryn
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Post by D'Hoffryn on Sept 28, 2010 4:38:03 GMT -5
ok say the key is important here, but one thing always got me confused with season 7. If your the 1st evil and you want to release your army why dig for the one thing that could make you lose. The 1st had no use for the scythe that i am aware of, if buffy never knew about it she would of lost. Buffy said in S7 'we attack the vineyard, bad guys always go to where the power is'. So I think the scythe is going to be just as of more important than Dawn. MAYBE THE SCYTHE IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BREAK THE SEED OF WONDER
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 28, 2010 5:49:40 GMT -5
All humans have souls. An essence, as Willow put it in Bargaining. The monk claimed to have taken the Key, molded it to flesh, a human, and sent it to Buffy. Later Buffy randomly concluded that they shared the same blood. I always thought that part was a bit odd and out of left field personally. The point is, they turned the Key into a person. It must have taken strong magick to transform such an ancient energy into a person, so would it be so far a leap to think that the human soul for Dawn was also created in the process of turning the Key human? The Key isn't a force merely inside Dawn. She is the Key, not a recepticle housing it. It's been stated time and time again that if she died, so would the Keys magic/purpose. Yes, pretty nonsensical to turn such an energy into something so temporary and fragile as a human...but maybe that's the point.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 28, 2010 7:24:04 GMT -5
I can't remember ever not being of the opinion that the Key was a living being of energy, with a soul, and that its soul was also Dawn's soul.
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Post by richie on Sept 28, 2010 10:15:49 GMT -5
if we follow the logic of dawn still be the key, that what is looking for now(for mw at least) then things start to make more senses... there is a lot of portals... and the seed is magic.... maybe dawn will make contact with the seed, what makes her the key again(in case she's not), and the key could be the only way to close the portals and save the world... so dawn will make the ultimate sacriface and kill her self to close everything, banishing magic from the world... leaving the scoobies all broken(xander with anger, buffy desolate), with giles dead in the process... we know that willow will be powerfull AND alive in the future, so maybe, willow incorporate the seed to protect it from ever being used again.... giving her imortality(cause the seed is forever, as it looks right now) and power.... by the end of the season, all scoobies get apart and get their only comic in the beginning of season 9... (well im at work, so i didnt have the time to elaborate more about the season 9..... but thats my opinion about the end of season 8 for now(for now cause every issue things happens changes everthing)
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Post by Dorotea on Sept 28, 2010 11:13:35 GMT -5
Such a scenario has two weak points:
1. 'making contact with the Seed' likely to kill rather than make anybody the Key again - remember , the Seed is what's keeping the magic and the demons anchored on this plane, the Key used to be the opposite - the means to open other dimensions and start them melting into each other.
2. It does not explain how the Fray future ( without magic) will happen.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 28, 2010 11:39:47 GMT -5
Scott Allie confirmed that the Frayverse is the future of this world. But Jane Espenson made a mysterious reference to two different timelines... as in, two different Buffies. So who knows? Everything is a wild card at this point.
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Post by Neil on Sept 29, 2010 14:18:56 GMT -5
I didn´t know that and it sounds very interesting. Could you please post a link to the interview? That would be nice.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 29, 2010 14:28:24 GMT -5
I didn´t know that and it sounds very interesting. Could you please post a link to the interview? That would be nice. The Allie quote was in his DragonCon interview, I think... the clips are in this post, but I don't know which clip that exact quote is in. The Jane Espenson quote was from an interview on Buffyfest, which is here.
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Post by Neil on Oct 1, 2010 4:38:33 GMT -5
Thank you very much! *karma*
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Post by ThatEvilLawFirm on Oct 3, 2010 10:04:57 GMT -5
Hey! So I'm new to posting but I've been reading the boards FOREVER. This may not be the place for this and it's probably already been covered, but does anybody think that the whole "slayer depowering" could come into to play in this arc? I just had the revelation when rereading Twilight pt. 1 the other day that Giles said that Buffy upset the balance of the universe by creating a slayer army, and I'm pretty sure Angel said the same thing. Just so that Wolves at the Gate would have been something other than pointless (don't get me wrong, loved that arc!) wouldn't it make sense to "rebalance" the universe by removing a few slayers (and by a few, I mean all, save Buffy of course) by depowering them? Am I crazy or would that put us back on track for the Fraypocalypse?
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 3, 2010 10:24:27 GMT -5
thatevillawfirm - I also think that one of the main Joss' tasks is getting rid of the 2000 extras without compromising his feminist message in Chosen. "Wolves" arc could easily be a foreshadowing. Not only Joss revealed that slayer power can be taken away, he even showed the mechanism of depowering. And given how fuzzy are talks on The Seed of Wonder (it's the source of all magic, and also the cork in the portal and, at the same time, the whole world came from it), it looks like an all-purposes super-McGuffin. It can do anything Joss wants.
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Post by ThatEvilLawFirm on Oct 3, 2010 10:31:24 GMT -5
Hmmmm... I have this feeling the decimation of the slayer army is going to come from within... What if what FDW showed Fray in Time of Your Life is Buffy letting her army be depowered? Or worse, actively doing something to depower it herself? I've just always thought that Wolves at the Gate had to have a bigger role in the overall story, similar to how Triangle gave us the hammer Buffy used to defeat Glory, and how the Dagon Sphere was introduced like 15 episodes before it was actually used for anything.
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moscowwatcher
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 3, 2010 13:38:38 GMT -5
Hmmmm... I have this feeling the decimation of the slayer army is going to come from within... What if what FDW showed Fray in Time of Your Life is Buffy letting her army be depowered? Or worse, actively doing something to depower it herself? Pretty possible. so far I thought that she had shown her the space-frak that has caused an apocalypse - but maybe she showed something related to the slayer army. It makes a lot of sense.
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Post by stasab on Oct 6, 2010 11:44:33 GMT -5
Hm, I don't know what to think of this issue! It definately gives more insight into the lion thing, as it may be "the powers" that helped Angel become Twilight, or may be attempting to manipulate Angel by saying it was the vessels who talked to him. But seeing it's form, and reading Buffy's words "but right before it swallows me whole, the big smelly looks me right in the eyes and says, "the queen is dead.""
It also makes me think, Angel is possibly the betrayer. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but he kills a demon in this issue and states, "and now I smell like that thing." The big smelly? Ah, who knows!
Also, looking back at Anywhere But Here--I may be reading too much into it again--Dawn's wearing a neckless that somewhat resembles the seed. Somehow, I think something happens with Dawn, Willow, Xander, and Buffy as they are featured in Anywhere But Here, which heavily foreshadows the end of Season 8.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 6, 2010 12:09:29 GMT -5
Wow...haven't got the issue yet, but I've read a detailed summary.
We get a lot of exposition from Aluwyn. She explains that removing the Seed would allow Hell into the Earth, but destroying it would just seal off our world from all new otherworldly magic. However... the magic already here would stay. So the vampires would still be here, but unable to create any new vampires (apparently), and the Slayers would still be Slayers, but no new ones would be called.
Aluwyn also knows who the betrayer will be, and it makes her sad... which suggests that it will be Willow. (The only one of the Scoobies she has an emotional attachment to).
Most importantly... the thing that's been talking to Angel reveals itself. It's the lion creature Buffy saw in her vision, talking about the Queen being dead. He's NOT a good guy, he wants Angel to finish creating the new universe, and he calls Angel "father."
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Post by stasab on Oct 6, 2010 12:30:25 GMT -5
About the censored cover of Issue 39, I think Buffy is running from this creature. It keeps in line of her dream in No Future for You Part 1, where she states "no matter how hard [she] runs." Also, if you look closely in the bottom left corner of the revealed image, there appears to be some sort of flames, or light.
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Post by massivemassivefan on Oct 6, 2010 12:57:06 GMT -5
I haven't got mine yet. feel free to throw up spoilers lads, i cant wait 2 know wot happens
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Post by foxchyck on Oct 6, 2010 13:47:29 GMT -5
Most importantly... the thing that's been talking to Angel reveals itself. It's the lion creature Buffy saw in her vision, talking about the Queen being dead. My personal theory (or more like things-that-I-think-are-funny-only-because-of-the-caffeine-buzz) is that the lion creature is a manifestation of the rage of all the kittens that Buffy and Angel failed to save from poker winners. Nobody helped them when they were helpless, and they aren't gonna take it anymore. They are going to get their own universe where kittens are no longer used as currency. ...yeah, that sounds about as dorky as I thought it would. But my brain keeps going "Hee hee. 'Kitten poker'. Hee hee. Space Fracking. OMG the bad guy is a giant kitten!"
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