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Post by Wyndam on Oct 6, 2010 14:37:52 GMT -5
Probably the best issue since "A Beautiful Sunset."
'Nuff said, really. ;D
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Post by drywallman on Oct 6, 2010 14:44:55 GMT -5
Probably the best issue since "A Beautiful Sunset." 'Nuff said, really. ;D It doesn't seem like a very good issue to me. Buffy has feelings for Xander and yet she's all too ready and willing to jump Angels stick, and now she's set her sights on Spike. We're getting awful close to "Slut Queen of Sutdonia" territory here. Remember Joss said it, not me.
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Post by jellymoff on Oct 6, 2010 14:45:17 GMT -5
Ahhh! Exposition! More Questions! No resolutions! Good character moments! Lots of exclamation points from me!
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Post by Neil on Oct 6, 2010 14:49:43 GMT -5
Wow...haven't got the issue yet, but I've read a detailed summary. "father." Oh, I can´t read the issue in months but I´ve read all the comments and it sounds so interesting. Could you please post a link to the detailed summary? Please, please, please.
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Post by jellymoff on Oct 6, 2010 14:55:22 GMT -5
From Buffyfest:http://buffyfest.blogspot.com/2010/10/buffy-37-review-spoilers.html
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Post by Neil on Oct 6, 2010 15:39:21 GMT -5
Thank you *karma*
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Post by Without Passion on Oct 6, 2010 18:17:44 GMT -5
Probably the best issue since "A Beautiful Sunset." 'Nuff said, really. ;D It doesn't seem like a very good issue to me. Buffy has feelings for Xander and yet she's all too ready and willing to jump Angels stick, and now she's set her sights on Spike. We're getting awful close to "Slut Queen of Sutdonia" territory here. Remember Joss said it, not me. I don't see how she's a slut and it's not simple enough to summarize with that word. She just seems emotionally complex to me...pretty human. She's not acting on every desire that springs to mind....or wherever. Loved the Spuffy tease...so funny. Giles's and Faith's vague (yet seemingly predictable,) conversation made me sick to my stomach with nerves. Angel seems pretty screwed. I can't wait to see how messed up the Master's face will be in the next issue (and can't wait to see him dusted again). This issue was excellent.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 6, 2010 20:57:01 GMT -5
This issue kicked monumental ass. Loved all the character moments. Loved the dialogue. Loved Spike's "My hero" line.
It's definitely one of the best issues of the season.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 6, 2010 21:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, this was a good issue. If Scott wrote the bulk of it, he did a great job. I've been wondering where I've seen Angel's new "son" before, and then it hit me: ...it's the King of the Island of Misfit Toys. He has developed imperialist ambitions. So... Buffy's superpowers seem to have deserted her after she enters the Sunnydale crater. The Master is able to smack her around quite easily. Maybe it has something to do with her proximity to the Seed? She's lucky it didn't cut out on her while she was flying down from Spike's ship. Aluwyn said a lot of interesting things... I wonder if Willow remembers that she is a self-admitted constant liar? She says after the destruction of the world... "The Queen is dead, long live the Queen." If the dead Queen would be Buffy, as we've all assumed, who would be the new Queen who's supposed to live long? I'm quite certain now that Willow will be the betrayer. Aluwyn says (unless she's lying): "It's not only Twilight you have to stop, Willow." And then Willow immediately asks about who the betrayer is, and Aluwyn refuses to answer. So I think Willow knows. So who is "Mary" from the SlayAlive forums whose letter took up the entire letter column this issue? Scott used it to try and clear the air about his supposed Spike and Spuffy hatred. I have to say, though, for somebody who is rumored to hate Spike, he sure wrote him well.
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Post by droolingpumpkin on Oct 6, 2010 21:26:26 GMT -5
So I haven't read the issue yet, but I read a pretty extensive review. I was thinking that if Buffy finds out about the option of breaking the seed, maybe she'll want to do that. Willow would obviously fight her so she can't break it open. Apart from Angel there really isn't another character that I think is strong enough to engage in a one on one fight with Buffy.
That also might explain why FDW wanted Buffy to kill her in the future. If Willow has become so powerful that she can't die, and Buffy is responsible for removing all magic from the world, FDW might feel that Buffy owes it to her to put her out of her misery. I was also thinking that she may have shown Fray an image of Buffy breaking the seed.
Just a theory. Can't wait for the whole story :-).
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Post by 47kwest on Oct 6, 2010 21:29:29 GMT -5
Love the kitty theory!! However after having read the issue, all I can say is don't trust anything. Joss is known for spinning things 180 degrees. It's still too early to say where this is gonna go. Red Herring anyone?
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Post by The Night Lord on Oct 6, 2010 22:50:42 GMT -5
I want this issue!.....buuut, my comic supplier is away until the 17th and I don't really want to have to buy the issue from the UK or US, cause it takes like 2 weeks or so to reach me...and I wants it now!
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Post by Emmie on Oct 6, 2010 23:06:25 GMT -5
Yeah, this was a good issue. If Scott wrote the bulk of it, he did a great job. I don't think it's about Scott writing the bulk of it. From what I understand, Joss and he were working very closely on this together. It sounds like a true collaboration. This is Joss + Scott and the partnership is really, really good. Also, Scott "hating" Spike is so beyond silly. I think Scott really gets Spike actually. He doesn't idolize Spike, but he understands and appreciates Spike. And that means he can write a great Spike. Personally, I feel that the way Lynch overidentifies with Spike leads to him misunderstanding Spike's character, especially when it comes to Spike's relationship with Angel. I wanted to give a shoutout to Mary for her letter posted in the lettercol. You were very eloquent and expressed your viewpoint wonderfully. I loved the quotes you used and it was pure pleasure to read a Spuffy fan being so awesome.
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Post by BlueJay on Oct 6, 2010 23:08:18 GMT -5
I have it, NL =) It's probably THE BEST issue by far in terms of character dynamics. Buffy and Spike, Dawn and Xander, Willow and Saga Vasuki, Giles and Faith, Angel and the Universe, etc. Plotwise, I'm still confused over The Master. Buffy didn't seemed phased by his appearance.
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Post by veiriti on Oct 7, 2010 3:11:35 GMT -5
I’ll get my issue after a week, but here are very detailed summaries! Ohhh, I really can wait to have the issue in my hands! Finally, we the fans of Spike/Buffy relationship had got what we wanted – a confirmation of Buffy's romantic feelings to Spike and she doesn’t treat him only like a friend or a co-worker. As I said we got that we wanted and I loved the Joss's way - the love scene between Spike and Buffy was AWESOME even in a dream! And that is a Buffy’s dream in fact, not Spike’s! Loved it! Thank you Joss and Scott Allie! I’ve just took a look at the preview and the few scanned pages – the dialogue between Spike and Buffy is fantastic and I loved and the artwork! I have to admit G. Jeanty is making very good Spike – nice likeness with the original!
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Post by janas on Oct 7, 2010 5:18:14 GMT -5
then the glow is gone? Now Buffy is not OOC? I have not read it yet the Issue 37, but from your comments, it seems she is back Buffy. I hope to read soon ... I can not wait
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Post by sosa lola on Oct 7, 2010 6:40:36 GMT -5
Reaction and Observations to issue 37:
- Buffy and Spike are wearing similar colors: orange and jeans. It's been their thing since the show.
- Buffy has been criticized for calling Sunnydale "Suckydale", seeing as it was her home for seven years and in it are her mother's, Tara's, and Jenny's graves, as well as the bodies of Anya and Amanda and so many people that Buffy knew and loved. Buffy had lamented the loss of Sunnydale in #1, stating that she missed "home", she does have fond memories of Sunnydale, and her life in it, while difficult, was much simpler than it is now. I think calling it Suckydale has more to do with yet another crisis located there than the town itself. Sunnydale is where evil is born and keeps coming back to destroy the world, I can see why Buffy is a bit resentful.
- "Who never got a higher education," I never thought that Angel didn't get a higher education, but it fits with the way his father used to be so disappointed in him.
- I thought it was insensitive of Spike to say that to Buffy, but it shows how upset he is with her. I don't think it's just jealousy, but also disappointment. She's his hero and she made a gigantic mistake.
- Spike takes Xander's old role as Buffy's criticizer, and he does it exactly like Xander: harsh and straightforward. Unlike Willow who's gentler in her criticism of Buffy. It's seems fitting now that someone had to say something to Buffy seeing as Xander can't bring himself to criticize Buffy at all, and Willow saving all her anger for Angel.
- Buffy's fantasies about Spike are so funny, I don't know if it's her or just Twilight's affect. She really wants Spike to still have feelings for her and be jealous and pissed at Angel. It's far more flattering than her dream where Spike and Angel choose each other instead of her.
-Spike seems to be over her, though I don't think so, his cheap shots at her show how jealous and disappointed he is.
- The Xander/Dawn scene oozes of Xander/Anya in The Gift, and I know it's all about a couple being too happy until Joss tears them apart. I should go "Awww" now, but as Xander said, it's too soon. And I'm still waiting for Joss to explore this ship.
- The guy eavesdropping on them is the general who was with Warren and Amy. I wonder what's up with that.
- Spike is rather suspicious, and only Xander noticed that. It seems that with Spike arriving with all the information and a chance to save the world, the other characters are so happy they don't wanna question anything. Xander, being the one who sees, noticed that something is off about Spike's know-it-all attitude. Even Spike's three words didn't answer Xander's question.
- The fact that Xander doesn't get upset and call Spike names after Spike called him "Little Man" shows how much he'd grown past the petty name-calling –which I greatly miss, I like a little immaturity in Xander- and it started since S7. Xander's character growth moves constantly and gradually forward ever since Seeing Red, and it's something that S8 gets so right.
- I'm not sure Spike can be the betrayer, unless there's a twist. He's hiding something all right, but he seems so devoted to Buffy it's hard to imagine him as the betrayer.
- Willow, on the other hand, learns that the Seed of Wonder is the source of all magic. It's what Twilight wants to get rid of, we knew about that since the beginning. Willow asks about the betrayer, and it seems that it's going to be Willow, which is a call back to: "Is it you?" Buffy asked Willow in Anywhere But Here. "No. I won't betray you."
- I'm a little disappointed in the Giles/Faith scene. I thought they were going to discuss Giles lying to Faith and using her to search for the Queen and kill her. Instead they're talking about Faith's retirement and playing teacher to the other troubled slayers. Their scene is similar to Xander/Dawn, it promises a future after this, where Faith can be happy guiding lost girls.
- "There'll still be girls to help. To guide." "Sure hope so." Hmmm, I can see a reverse in Buffy's spell in Chosen. Perhaps S9 will probably be a return to Buffy and Faith being the only slayers.
- Spike is back to the guy who never leaves Buffy alone. Wherever she goes, he's there. He follows her everywhere offering help, support and company.
- "Take us home." I would've loved it more if it was just Xander and Willow, because Sunnydale is literally their home, they were born and raised there.
- Xander demanding he goes with Willow can be seen as contrast to refusing to accompany Buffy in #4. But in #4 it was stated that the portal that will take them to "Sunnydale" can only take two, and Xander rationally asked Buffy to take someone who's a better fighter, because saving Willow is more important. Here, anyone can go, and Buffy needs all the help she can get, and Xander is going to help.
- Aww, I loved Spike's "Did I do that?" Adorable.
- I also enjoy Spike acting tough and ending up in the mercy of the Master until his hero, Buffy, comes and saves his life. There are so many scenes like this in the show, except replace Spike with Xander. "My hero." Aww, all these similarities between Xander and Spike make my heart melt.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 7, 2010 7:55:00 GMT -5
- Buffy has been criticized for calling Sunnydale "Suckydale", seeing as it was her home for seven years and in it are her mother's, Tara's, and Jenny's graves, as well as the bodies of Anya and Amanda and so many people that Buffy knew and loved. Well... that does kind of suck. - "Who never got a higher education," I never thought that Angel didn't get a higher education, but it fits with the way his father used to be so disappointed in him. I'm guessing his father didn't get a higher education, either. In those days and in that place, a university education was only normally available to you if you were a) British, b) wealthy, and c) Anglican. An English-hating Irish merchant's son was not going to be welcomed at Oxford or Cambridge, or even Trinity. (Angel's family was probably Protestant, but in those days the dislike between English and Irish was not primarily religious.) - I thought it was insensitive of Spike to say that to Buffy, but it shows how upset he is with her. I don't think it's just jealousy, but also disappointment. She's his hero and she made a gigantic mistake. Spike's line... "Nobody's saying that except me right now to your face"... is possibly my favorite line of season 8 so far. Buffy desperately needed a reality check, and Spike gave it to her. I wanted to jump up and yell "So say we all!" and I'm not even a BSG fan. - The Xander/Dawn scene oozes of Xander/Anya in The Gift, and I know it's all about a couple being too happy until Joss tears them apart. I should go "Awww" now, but as Xander said, it's too soon. And I'm still waiting for Joss to explore this ship. The situation reminded me a little of Xander and Anya's bathroom conversation in "As You Were," although the topic of the discussion was different. - The guy eavesdropping on them is the general who was with Warren and Amy. I wonder what's up with that. We know he (and Warren and Amy) intend to kill the Scoobies eventually, somehow. If I had to guess, I'd say he is largely responsible for Dawn's condition on the cover of next month's issue. - Spike is rather suspicious, and only Xander noticed that. It seems that with Spike arriving with all the information and a chance to save the world, the other characters are so happy they don't wanna question anything. Xander, being the one who sees, noticed that something is off about Spike's know-it-all attitude. Even Spike's three words didn't answer Xander's question. If the day ever comes when Xander is not suspicious of Spike, I'll know that the true Apocalypse has arrived. I think Spike is on the level here. Even Aluwyn includes him among the heroes who will save the world from the present crisis. (But of course, she is a liar.) - The fact that Xander doesn't get upset and call Spike names after Spike called him "Little Man" shows how much he'd grown past the petty name-calling –which I greatly miss, I like a little immaturity in Xander- and it started since S7. Xander's character growth moves constantly and gradually forward ever since Seeing Red, and it's something that S8 gets so right. I think maybe he's been a little bit too mature this season for his own good. He's been so stoic and soldier-like this season... especially regarding the loss of Renee on top of everything else... that I keep wondering when it's all going to come boiling out. - I'm not sure Spike can be the betrayer, unless there's a twist. He's hiding something all right, but he seems so devoted to Buffy it's hard to imagine him as the betrayer. - Willow, on the other hand, learns that the Seed of Wonder is the source of all magic. It's what Twilight wants to get rid of, we knew about that since the beginning. Willow asks about the betrayer, and it seems that it's going to be Willow, which is a call back to: "Is it you?" Buffy asked Willow in Anywhere But Here. "No. I won't betray you." As I said above, I think Willow's conversation with Aluwyn really points to Willow being the betrayer. Buffy is going to realize that breaking the Seed will enable her to accomplish her mission at long last... and to accomplish the 5,000-year-long mission of all the Slayers, finally giving her a chance for a somewhat peaceful life. But Willow will not want to lose the magic. Hence, they will find themselves in opposition at the end. - "There'll still be girls to help. To guide." "Sure hope so." Hmmm, I can see a reverse in Buffy's spell in Chosen. Perhaps S9 will probably be a return to Buffy and Faith being the only slayers. As per Aluwyn's exposition, I don't believe the existing Slayers will be de-powered. No new ones will be called, but there will still be the demons and vampires to fight who are were already here when the Seed gets broken. This enables Joss to solve the problem of how we get to the one-Slayer world of "Fray," without conveying the message that all those girls need to be punished for "choosing to be strong." - I also enjoy Spike acting tough and ending up in the mercy of the Master until his hero, Buffy, comes and saves his life. I still want to know why the Master is able to hurt her.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 7, 2010 7:58:40 GMT -5
- "There'll still be girls to help. To guide." "Sure hope so." Hmmm, I can see a reverse in Buffy's spell in Chosen. Perhaps S9 will probably be a return to Buffy and Faith being the only slayers. Not necessarily so. Should the Seed break, according to Aluwyn, magic will be lost, but there'll be vestiges. Vampires, the Slayers already Called... but it sounds like no more will be Called. Which is what happened in Fray's future. No Slayers were Called for over 200+ years... there were many with the potential, but none with the power. If Fray's future is our future, as Allie put it... then I'm going to venture a guess and say that the Seed will break, but how that will play out, and the true aftermath of that single event will definitely be something that's dealt with in S9.
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Post by Mr. Savath Bunny on Oct 7, 2010 17:57:44 GMT -5
Little idea that popped into my mind... The "seed of wonder" is the pathway for magic into Earth - so, like Aluwyn said, with it "broken" the wine is trapped, blah blah, no more magic (enter Fray story). So what if new universe-child-lion-bird-thingy does something that robs Angel of his soul... so Angelus happens, to FORCE Angel to do more bad stuff (since good Angel, though he was fooled once to be Twilight, won't be fooled twice to do more evil). If the seed is crack and magic STOPS. How will a magic-less Willow ever re-in-soul (insoul? ensoul? meh) Angel? He'll be trapped as Angelus forever. Just a horrible thought (since I'm a big Bangel fan).
Lemme now what you think?
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