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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2010 10:51:15 GMT -5
So...did Joss reveal nothing at his panel?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 24, 2010 12:33:44 GMT -5
I'm not disturbed by questions over Scott's writing ability. And he knows the story as intimately as anyone aside from Joss, so he's the logical choice.
My concern is that Scott is on record as saying he wasn't interested in writing Buffy, and doesn't think his strengths lie in that style. That causes me to believe that this is not a voluntary situation, but is caused by Joss not being able to finish the series before The Avengers starts eating up 100% of his time.
The timing couldn't be worse, but I trust Joss won't let any of these issues go out the door unless they are exactly the way he wants them.
I fully expect season 9 to get pushed back to 2012 as a result of The Avengers. On the plus side, though... if this movie is the major blockbuster everyone thinks it will be, Joss will have enough credit in Hollywood to make pretty much any movie he wants. Think about that and salivate.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 12:36:34 GMT -5
In regards to people worrying, I'm kinda wondering if we're going to have a case of the part of The Fellowship of the Ring (the book), where Bilbo asks his audience if they can tell which parts of a song were written by him, and which by Aragorn. Are people going to try and dissect a work to try and parse out which bits were written by Allie, and which by Joss himself? If the co-writing duties are executed well, it won't matter. It should be a seamless collaboration. The story is Joss'. And if there's something that doesn't please him, he's been known to rewrite entire chunks of scripts before, so this shouldn't be any different, I don't think. So...did Joss reveal nothing at his panel? Everything that we've gleaned so far is on the previous page. Some in spoiler tags.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jul 24, 2010 13:04:23 GMT -5
So...did Joss reveal nothing at his panel? He was surprised when Doc Jensen told him Dollhouse was canceled and said that Drogen was based on real life. He's been his usual, bouncy, storyteller self, though with the added weight of now being the official director for THE AVENGERS, which is eating up all of his time (such as that Internet thing he was doing with Warren Ellis - court artist's rendition of me shows signs of intrigue and slight drool). Everything that's about Joss has already been discussed the past few weeks - AVENGERS, MGM's money problems causing issues with CABIN IN THE WOODS, DR. HORRIBLE sequel... only thing that was a shocker was that he was working on that Internet thing WASTELANDERS with Ellis... now delayed because of, hey, AVENGERS! Nathan Fillion is now Ant Man, though. If Joss is to be believed at the tail end of his panel.
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Post by Emmie on Jul 24, 2010 13:05:41 GMT -5
My concern is that Scott is on record as saying he wasn't interested in writing Buffy, and doesn't think his strengths lie in that style. That causes me to believe that this is not a voluntary situation, but is caused by Joss not being able to finish the series before The Avengers starts eating up 100% of his time. Exactly. It's that this reads like such an emergency that Scott had to step in. And I do think it's interesting that Scott doesn't think his strengths lie in this style, as you're repeating his feelings. But it's how the situation reads like Whedon was having trouble in writing that worries me. ETA: Nah, HH, Nathan Fillion isn't Ant-Man. That was a joke. Nathan confirmed it was a joke on his Twitter.
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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2010 13:22:42 GMT -5
He was surprised when Doc Jensen told him Dollhouse was canceled and said that Drogen was based on real life. Ha! I guess I was just expecting something more, like a Ripper announcement or something. *shrug* Oh well!
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 13:23:39 GMT -5
In other Buffyverse news, Buffyfest has an exclusive scoop on a new Illyria miniseries. Click HERE to read the article. More details to follow in the IDW panel today. Link contains a rather gorgeous cover by Jenny Frison and some minor spoilers for the main ANGEL book, in terms of the timing of this series. The miniseries will be written by Mariah Huehner and Scott Tipton, and will be drawn by Elena Casagrande. First issue is scheduled for a November release. Oh, and I think Ripper is pretty much an RIP sitch by now.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 24, 2010 13:36:06 GMT -5
In other Buffyverse news, Buffyfest has an exclusive scoop on a new Illyria miniseries. Click HERE to read the article. More details to follow in the IDW panel today. Does it actually qualify as news when IDW announces yet another Angelverse title? Honestly, it's getting a little embarrassing. This level of money-grabbing is fairly tasteless, and it's really going to hurt the sales of the main Angel title (which have been dropping steadily every month) and of things like Brian's Spike ongoing.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 13:38:25 GMT -5
Hey, I just report whatever I find. Whether it's news or not, that's a personal assessment.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jul 24, 2010 13:42:12 GMT -5
In other Buffyverse news, Buffyfest has an exclusive scoop on a new Illyria miniseries. Click HERE to read the article. More details to follow in the IDW panel today. Does it actually qualify as news when IDW announces yet another Angelverse title? Honestly, it's getting a little embarrassing. This level of money-grabbing is fairly tasteless, and it's really going to hurt the sales of the main Angel title (which have been dropping steadily every month) and of things like Brian's Spike ongoing. Pretty sure all of this is a response to the floundering sales of the main Angel title. Frankly, though, the mini-series and Angelus tales have been much better than the on-going for a long time. I'm still pouring over Only Human, Barbary Coast was so much fun, and John Byrne should really be on the main title with Messina. But anyway. I got one: " Ripper is delayed even more... because I'm working on THE AVENGERS!" (This joke was not written or endorsed by Joss Whedon or Marvel Comics.)
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 14:18:38 GMT -5
Just announced on the IDW panel: The cameo Lynch hinted at on his SPIKE series is the most obvious choice: Willow
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Post by patxshand on Jul 24, 2010 14:19:58 GMT -5
I'm trying to be cautious with how I phrase this for a number of reasons. Scott Allie has actually seemed like a somewhat decent guy of late, and I do think he handled the Twigate scandal with an impressive amount of grace. But... for me, he still doesn't seem to have a great grasp on the Buffyverse, and the his Con-behavior was unfortunately really off-putting when I was at NYCC. But again, things have changed since then, and he has been making an effort to be nice in recent interviews.
But... CO-WRITING the season finale? I mean, what? They took off *months* so that this could be written by Joss. And now it's being shared with Scott Allie? The series had arcs by Brian K. Vaughan, the biggest name in comics. It had Brad Meltzer, who is as talented as he is famous. As crappy as her work on the series was, it had Jane Espenson, whose name is practically synonymous with Buffy. It's been written by dudes who worked on the show and the biggest names in comics and novels.
...and now Scott Allie is co-writing the finale.
I'd been super excited for this, but now I'm kinda "whahuh!?"
I hope this makes sense soon, because I really don't know what to think.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 14:24:10 GMT -5
Ryall just announced that "Huehner and Tischman would be taking over the writing chores on the book. Tischman noted, "It's about redemption and saving the world and reasons for saving the world. Our first issue is #39.""
Guess Willingham is off the book. Probably so that IDW can sync up their stuff with the current S8 story (since Willingham expressed his unwillingness to work with Joss before).
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Post by patxshand on Jul 24, 2010 14:25:56 GMT -5
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Sorry. I mean, cool.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 24, 2010 14:36:11 GMT -5
Ryall just announced that "Huehner and Tischman would be taking over the writing chores on the book. Tischman noted, "It's about redemption and saving the world and reasons for saving the world. Our first issue is #39."" Guess Willingham is off the book. Probably so that IDW can sync up their stuff with the current S8 story (since Willingham expressed his unwillingness to work with Joss before). Have they said that they're explicitly syncing the Angel series with season 8? Because "redemption and saving the world" is pretty much a 180 compared to what Angel has been doing there. I think if somebody has to help Joss with the final arc, Scott is probably the best choice to do it. People like Brian Vaughan and Jane Espenson are busy and not able to jump in on a project on such short notice... also, they haven't really been privy to every detail of where the story is going. Scott has. Yes, it is a little frustrating that Joss couldn't get the scripts done even with a 3-month cushion, especially at the most important, pivotal point of a story that's taken 5 years to tell. But there's not much we can do about it. I fear for season 9 a little. I don't expect that Joss will be writing any of it at all. Hopefully his involvement will be sufficient that we can comfortably call it canonical.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 24, 2010 14:37:59 GMT -5
Buffyfest just TWEETED: Brian Lynch Re: Spike's arrival in Buffy comic. Spike/Buffy to coincide,Spike=canon,takes place 1 yr before Buffy,will address "Space Sex" I fear for season 9 a little. I don't expect that Joss will be writing any of it at all. Hopefully his involvement will be sufficient that we can comfortably call it canonical. He'll still Executive Produce the thing. Nothing really new there in Joss not being as involved, since Allie did more or less say that in one of his previous interviews/Con appearances/or something. IIRC, Allie stated that Joss may not write as much, or any at all, but he will Executive Produce the book. And hey, if Joss says it's canon, then I guess it is. Regardless of the degree of his involvement.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 24, 2010 14:40:17 GMT -5
Buffyfest just TWEETED: Brian Lynch Re: Spike's arrival in Buffy comic. Spike/Buffy to coincide,Spike=canon,takes place 1 yr before Buffy,will address "Space Sex" Huh? The Spike series is going to be canon? Well. That's interesting.
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Post by patxshand on Jul 24, 2010 14:40:42 GMT -5
I fear a bit for Season Nine as well. But I can't get behind Scott Allie being the best choice. Brian Lynch. Drew Goddard. Literally any of the writers who wrote for this before. Brad Meltzer. Call anyone.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jul 24, 2010 14:41:32 GMT -5
Buffyfest just TWEETED: Brian Lynch Re: Spike's arrival in Buffy comic. Spike/Buffy to coincide,Spike=canon,takes place 1 yr before Buffy,will address "Space Sex" Buffyfest gives good tweet. Spike taking place a year before Season Eight is... interesting.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 24, 2010 14:48:27 GMT -5
I fear a bit for Season Nine as well. But I can't get behind Scott Allie being the best choice. Brian Lynch. Drew Goddard. Literally any of the writers who wrote for this before. Brad Meltzer. Call anyone. I don't think "call anyone" is really the philosophy they want to be going with at this point. All of those people are very busy and would need months of lead time to do a comic arc, if they're available at all. And they'd need to be carefully briefed on what's going on with the story. Every single word of this arc has to be perfect. Scott may not have the celebrity resume some of the season 8 writers have, but he's right there with Joss re: what has to happen in this arc, and how it has to happen.
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