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Post by buffysmglover on Jul 11, 2008 13:56:51 GMT -5
Scott, thanks for all the info! So, is Long Night's Journey canon? I mean, is there anything not in the original list in this thread that should be?
I've updated the original post with a quote from Joss about The Origin's canon.
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Post by patxshand on Jul 11, 2008 13:57:57 GMT -5
Thanks a lot, Scott! Until this point, I couldn't work out the "Long Night's Journey" and "Fray," thing. I'd always thought "Long Night's Journey" came out first, so always assumed that Joss just plotted that. Thanks a lot for clearing that up!
Awesome that writers/editors/artists come here to interact with fans and set things straight when they need setting straight. SlayAlive ftw!
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Post by Emmie on Jul 11, 2008 15:10:45 GMT -5
If his outline is very detailed, I'd want a cowriting credit. If he contributes a significant amount of dialogue, he'll get a cowriting credit. If he merely works out the outline with the writer, and edits the scripts, as he's done on every issue of Season Eight, we won't credit him as writer. I would not want to put Joss's name above Drew Goddard's name on Wolves at the Gate, when Drew did the heavy lifting—even though they broke the story together, plotted it, and Joss no doubt tweaked some dialogue, assisted with some of the comics storytelling of it. But that was his job on the TV show, as Exec Prod, and the writers got their writer credits there. These are important distinctions to me—so please understand the level of his involvement. His Exec Prod role on Season Eight is time consuming and unique; he doesn't do that anywhere else. Everything else he does for me, he writes or cowrites. But either way, I think it all has to be canon, as his intent is to see his stories continue in this medium. This is absolutely fascinating to me. Thank you, Scott, for sharing the process with us. It's very interesting to understand how Joss is involved in the creation of Buffy Season 8.
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Post by jellymoff on Jul 11, 2008 17:05:08 GMT -5
This is always a funny conversation to have. It never fails that there are still people who say "I don't consider this canon but I do consider this one canon." With canon, it is not up to us. Joss created the show, he decides what is canon. As fans, we can make up our own minds as to what stories we like and don't like. No matter what our feelings are, it doesn't change the "canonocity" of something.
There's been a debate about Asylum and Shadow Puppets. We now know that Mosaic is canon, and Beta George is canon. I guess we will have to wait and see if Spike and George ever meet up. If they recognize each other, then their previous relationship becomes canon.
No matter what I say read what you want to read. If you like it then enjoy it. If you want it to be real in your world then go for it. Don't let the canon issue stop you from reading some good explorations for your favorite characters. Many of the original Buffy comics are not that great in my opinion, even though I have read every omnibus so far. I like them OK but thye do not quite capture the essence of Buffy. There are some stories though-"Ring of Fire" and "Bad Blood" for example, that are well worth your time.
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Post by theonetruebix on Jul 11, 2008 18:10:49 GMT -5
As a reader I agree that canon shouldn't matter. I find that it matters to me as a reader, depending on which reader I happen to be at the time. For example, it matters to me as a reader (or a viewer) what Joss' picture of Buffy or Firefly canon might happen to be, so I know the scope and context of the story HE wants to tell. On the other hand, that doesn't prevent me from enjoying a Buffy or Serenity story outside of that context. (Hell, I have an as-yet-unpublished SerenityTales fan comic that obviously isn't canon, but that didn't stop me from writing it.)
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