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Post by Wyndam on May 26, 2008 10:22:28 GMT -5
I have a feeling that Wolves At The Gate part 4 might see the end of magic. Thus causing Buffy to go into the future to try and change what happened. To bring magic back. It probably won't happen but it might. I think that this whole "end of magic" thing will be resolved half way through the season, leading up to an even bigger storyline at the end of the season. If magic is banished before she goes to the future, how exactly will she get there?
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2008 12:37:15 GMT -5
^^ Well said.
I'm pretty sure that the battle resulting in the end of magic will happen as a season finale.
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Post by buffysmglover on May 26, 2008 13:26:15 GMT -5
^^ Well said. I'm pretty sure that the battle resulting in the end of magic will happen as a season finale. That's my way of thinking as well.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 26, 2008 14:50:44 GMT -5
End of magic in the end of season 8? No more magic, slayers, demons? That will make season 9 very boring.
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Post by buffysmglover on May 26, 2008 14:52:21 GMT -5
End of magic in the end of season 8? No more magic, slayers, demons? That will make season 9 very boring. I'm thinking the end of magic will be the finale to Season Nine and the end of the thousands of Slayers will be this season finale. Only Buffy and Faith will be left, again.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 26, 2008 15:36:56 GMT -5
End of magic in the end of season 8? No more magic, slayers, demons? That will make season 9 very boring. I'm thinking the end of magic will be the finale to Season Nine and the end of the thousands of Slayers will be this season finale. Only Buffy and Faith will be left, again. Yeah, that seems possible. I answered other's theories mentioned in this thread.
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2008 16:07:34 GMT -5
I'm thinking that the scotland-scythe slayers will be de-slayerized at the end of this arc.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2008 16:30:33 GMT -5
But why would it be that Buffy and Faith would keep their powers? If you think about it, they are all equals. Buffy's powers are no better than say, Satsu's. I do not think a de-powering spell would bypass Buffy and Faith, they would be affected too!
I think if anyone is de-powered it would be Buffy, that would be an interesting plot point to explore for a time.
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Post by Lukee on May 26, 2008 16:36:03 GMT -5
Yer i reckon the slayer population with be cut down after this arc but i don't think Magic will end with season 8. Also Buffy could turn the events of Fray out really differently. But i think if that happened then when the next Fray comes out it could be AU version then.. :\
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Post by ded1 on May 26, 2008 16:41:07 GMT -5
But why would it be that Buffy and Faith would keep their powers? If you think about it, they are all equals. Buffy's powers are no better than say, Satsu's. I do not think a de-powering spell would bypass Buffy and Faith, they would be affected too! I think that if the slayers are depowered through the scythe,then only those who were activated by the scythe would be deactivated. I like this idea.The dynamic between a depowered Buffy and the powered slayer army would be fascinating to explore.
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Post by jessesopher on May 26, 2008 17:51:06 GMT -5
But why would it be that Buffy and Faith would keep their powers? If you think about it, they are all equals. Buffy's powers are no better than say, Satsu's. I do not think a de-powering spell would bypass Buffy and Faith, they would be affected too! I think that if the slayers are depowered through the scythe,then only those who were activated by the scythe would be deactivated. Agreed. Buffy and Faith are natural slayers. They were actually called, no "spell" involved. But the rest are somewhat unequal to them in that they were called by Willow's spell. I don't think the scythe can de-power Buffy or Faith. Just my opinion. On a separate, but still semi-related note... is it just me, or does Buffy seem to have gotten super-strong since the spell? I was looking through the comics recently and realized that she can easily beat anything that she comes against (save Twilight...). Are you telling me that out of 2000 activated slayers, not one can beat her? She told them to "kick her ass" in the first issue (or second?), and she beat them in like 10 seconds. But when it comes to fighting even Faith (like in season 7), it was hard for her because they were too equally matched.... but she beat 3 other slayers she beat them all within seconds. So are Buffy and Faith stronger than the scythe activated slayers? Or is it just that B has been training and getting stronger during the time between Chosen and the comics?
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Post by buffysmglover on May 26, 2008 17:52:54 GMT -5
I think that if the slayers are depowered through the scythe,then only those who were activated by the scythe would be deactivated. Agreed. Buffy and Faith are natural slayers. They were actually called, no "spell" involved. But the rest are somewhat unequal to them in that they were called by Willow's spell. I don't think the scythe can de-power Buffy or Faith. Just my opinion. On a separate, but still semi-related note... is it just me, or does Buffy seem to have gotten super-strong since the spell? I was looking through the comics recently and realized that she can easily beat anything that she comes against (save Twilight...). Are you telling me that out of 2000 activated slayers, not one can beat her? She told them to "kick her ass" in the first issue (or second?), and she beat them in like 10 seconds. But when it comes to fighting even Faith (like in season 7), it was hard for her because they were too equally matched.... but she beat 3 other slayers she beat them all within seconds. So are Buffy and Faith stronger than the scythe activated slayers? Or is it just that B has been training and getting stronger during the time between Chosen and the comics? (Issue 2) I think its probably something that Joss hasn't given any thought to at all.
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Post by ded1 on May 26, 2008 18:24:34 GMT -5
Agreed. Buffy and Faith are natural slayers. They were actually called, no "spell" involved. But the rest are somewhat unequal to them in that they were called by Willow's spell. I don't think the scythe can de-power Buffy or Faith. Just my opinion. On a separate, but still semi-related note... is it just me, or does Buffy seem to have gotten super-strong since the spell? I was looking through the comics recently and realized that she can easily beat anything that she comes against (save Twilight...). Are you telling me that out of 2000 activated slayers, not one can beat her? She told them to "kick her ass" in the first issue (or second?), and she beat them in like 10 seconds. But when it comes to fighting even Faith (like in season 7), it was hard for her because they were too equally matched.... but she beat 3 other slayers she beat them all within seconds. So are Buffy and Faith stronger than the scythe activated slayers? Or is it just that B has been training and getting stronger during the time between Chosen and the comics? (Issue 2) I think its probably something that Joss hasn't given any thought to at all. I think that it was more training than greater strength. She was teaching the slayers how much stronger they were as a team than on their own.When she tells them to kick her ass,the three slayers charged her without any strategy between them.Buffy is far more experienced,thus able to beat them. I do think that strength may play a part as well.Buffy did get stronger as the years went on.The slayers have only been activated for about a year and a half to two years.
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Post by angelmonster on May 27, 2008 3:28:32 GMT -5
I brought this idea up a while ago in a Fray discussion topic. If Joss sticks with Fray and the storyline there then more than likely the end of magic is what Twilight is all about. Possibly at the end that is what is going to happen and the reason buffy either stops it form happening or doesn;t get trapped in the portal/dimension is because she goes into the future and learns what is going to happen to her from Fray.
As for Buffy being stronger she isn't stronger then the other Slayers, maybe some but not all. It is her experience and imagination that makes her the numero uno slayer. She has seven years up on every Slayer except Faith. she has faced death and has experience fighting gods, super vampires, the first evil,e tc etc. Plus almost every villain has said that she is so dangerous because, unlike past Slayers, buffy has a great imagination when in a fight and can adapt to her surroundings faster then other Slayers(Spike said so when he sent a vampire to tape her fight during the Halloween episode). That's why she seems to be so strong.
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Post by chronicboredom on May 29, 2008 20:17:12 GMT -5
I think that if it were to be, that the true slayer was left chosen and all the other lost there powers it would be Faith. Buffy time has actually past in the sense she is dead , so yeah, Faith being the single chosen one would be an interesting dynamic to see but I can't say I'd like it myself!
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Post by buffysmglover on May 31, 2008 2:34:17 GMT -5
That's an interesting concept: that since Buffy died, she too would be removed of her powers. It'd make for an interesting couple issues, but I like this reasoning behind why Buffy could lose her powers more than the "just because its new" reasoning, when technically its not new if we consider the episode in which the Council sent her against the vampire after Giles drugged her powers from her.
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Post by ded1 on May 31, 2008 10:17:47 GMT -5
That's an interesting concept: that since Buffy died, she too would be removed of her powers. It'd make for an interesting couple issues, but I like this reasoning behind why Buffy could lose her powers more than the "just because its new" reasoning, when technically its not new if we consider the episode in which the Council sent her against the vampire after Giles drugged her powers from her. Of course,they could always use that to find out that Buffy is a unique kind of slayer(they expect her to lose her powers,but she doesn't)When Xander revives her in Prophecy Girl,she states that she felt different,stronger.We never really found out what that meant(as they never followed up on it).Perhaps we may find that Buffy is removed from the slayer line and was,in fact,a unique type of slayer(perhaps a slayer whose destiny has always been to end magic)This could also explain why she doesn't feel a connection with the other slayers
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Post by jessesopher on May 31, 2008 10:34:43 GMT -5
Buffy is still a "natural" slayer. She received her powers normally. When she died and came back, she still had those powers. So she's not a "special" kind of slayer, or one that is disconnected from the slayer line. Quite the opposite. She is a part of the slayer line. The scythe activated slayers, however, are slayers merely because of a spell. They are the ones who are disconnected. They may have all of the powers, dreams, etc. But they are not the same as Faith, Buffy, and the thousands of slayers who came before. I don't think Buffy or Faith can lose their powers as a result of the spell they are using to depower the slayers. Only the scythe-activated slayers can be deactivated by the scythe. I just don't think it's possible that Buffy or Faith can lose their powers....
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Post by Lukee on May 31, 2008 16:49:38 GMT -5
Buffy and Faith are pure slayers there not ones that have been activated by the Scythe so if the spell was used to deactivate the slayers it would only the scythe active ones like its been said.
I like the idea some one said a few posts ago about Buffy being a unique slayer. Maybe there is a reason to why she was brought back twice [or three if you count when Darth Willow took the bullet from her] maybe its because she holds the key for ending all magics.... I think it would make sense i mean why has Buffy been so special.. as far as we know she has been one of the longest slayers in the slayer time lines shes feared world wide... shes the bogeymen for demons.. Theres gotta be something that makes her so epic..
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 2, 2008 11:38:27 GMT -5
Buffy and Faith are pure slayers there not ones that have been activated by the Scythe so if the spell was used to deactivate the slayers it would only the scythe active ones like its been said. I like the idea some one said a few posts ago about Buffy being a unique slayer. Maybe there is a reason to why she was brought back twice [or three if you count when Darth Willow took the bullet from her] maybe its because she holds the key for ending all magics.... I think it would make sense i mean why has Buffy been so special.. as far as we know she has been one of the longest slayers in the slayer time lines shes feared world wide... shes the bogeymen for demons.. Theres gotta be something that makes her so epic.. I also like the idea of Buffy being unique as a slayer, something that sets her apart from Faith. - It's true that if Buffy died, she wouldn't activate any potentials (if there were any).
- She's the longest living slayer today, which makes her the strongest as well.
- She has effectively died twice since Prophecy Girl:
It's possible that with each death, she is endowed with even more slayer power. If her line is isolated to just Buffy now, and the slayer mojo is still programmed to endow power with death, it would go straight to Buffy.
Bringing this back to Fray... We know that magic ends centuries before her time, and vampires made their way back to the earth dimension shortly before her activation. I don't think that is a coincidence. I believe that magic existing on another dimension punched its way back to earth, probably from a character we already know (Issue #17 spoiler). I think Willow is banished from this dimension as well with the expulsion of magic, and I think she has something to do with the hole-punching. You may be thinking... wait, this happened centuries later! Well, you may remember that dimensions operate at different speeds, and centuries may pass on earth but only hours may pass on another dimension. It's possible that Season 8 may end with the end of magic, being Twilight's objective and him being the big bad of the season, and Season 9 being their adventures in Fray's time. Just throwing out theories. Ooh! Ooh! Just had an idea: what would happen to Xander if that is how it goes down? He certainly wouldn't be sucked into another dimension, being fully human and not magical at all. He'd live out his days without his friends or the life-fulfillment of battling evil. But what if he was sucked out along with Willow and Buffy? He'd need some demon in him... maybe he's made part demon similar to Cordy at some time in Season 8... maybe that's the big shocker at the end of Issue 15.
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