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Post by ded1 on Jun 2, 2008 18:12:09 GMT -5
Ooh! Ooh! Just had an idea: what would happen to Xander if that is how it goes down? He certainly wouldn't be sucked into another dimension, being fully human and not magical at all. He'd live out his days without his friends or the life-fulfillment of battling evil. But what if he was sucked out along with Willow and Buffy? He'd need some demon in him... maybe he's made part demon similar to Cordy at some time in Season 8... maybe that's the big shocker at the end of Issue 15. This is an interesting idea.Xander accepting something that makes him less human to be of more use in the fight.I could also see him accidentally getting sucked into another dimension(or,perhaps jumping in if everyone he cared about got sucked in) |
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Post by Emmie on Jun 2, 2008 18:32:42 GMT -5
Ooh! Ooh! Just had an idea: what would happen to Xander if that is how it goes down? He certainly wouldn't be sucked into another dimension, being fully human and not magical at all. He'd live out his days without his friends or the life-fulfillment of battling evil. But what if he was sucked out along with Willow and Buffy? He'd need some demon in him... maybe he's made part demon similar to Cordy at some time in Season 8... maybe that's the big shocker at the end of Issue 15. This is an interesting idea.Xander accepting something that makes him less human to be of more use in the fight.I could also see him accidentally getting sucked into another dimension(or,perhaps jumping in if everyone he cared about got sucked in) I really hope Xander doesn't get demonized, it would ruin the strength of his character as a human in the core group. Plus Cordy getting demonized was the beginning of a slippery slope for me. I don't think putting a little demon in everybody should be a catch-all solution. Besides, wouldn't Xander hate being part demon? |
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Post by Rebecca on Jun 2, 2008 18:50:08 GMT -5
That I really wouldn't know. I remember in Potential, Xander seemed very comfortable in his role as the non-special member of the scoobies. But the question whether Xander would be comfortable being part demon? I guess they'd write him so if that were to come about, or it would be something he would struggle with . Plus it would open the door for more Bander... the whole demonic boyfriend thing.
I don't know how they would bring that about, I doubt the circumstances would be similar to Cordy's.
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Post by macleod on Jun 3, 2008 6:35:06 GMT -5
I'm certain that there will come a time (possibly at the end of season 8) where it will become necessary to depower the slayer army. Maybe as a trade-off to preventing (or at least delaying) the end of magic. It's possible that this may be done in such a way as to control who remains a slayer though. Maybe a small number of the slayers (Buffy, Faith, Kennedy, Vi, Satsu and whoever else Joss wants to keep writing for, I guess) will be able to retain their abilities with a little help from Willow. Basically it will depend on what Joss wants to do and whether he wants to go back to the original Chosen One (or Chosen Two, if Faith remains a slayer too) premise.
So I'm guessing that season 8 will likely end up with most of the slayers as normal girls again and that season 9 will then build up to the final battle that leads to Fray's time. Whether Joss will choose to let it play out as predicted or have Buffy find a way to alter future history, who knows?
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 23, 2008 19:50:02 GMT -5
At the risk of bringing back an old thread, here goes.
I believe that Willow is the big bad this season.
• Apocalyptic Demon Army vs. Slayer Army Battle spoken of in Fray which ends in the banishment of demons and magick from the earthly dimension.
• Willow is ‘the betrayer’ from ABH (see: Issue #18, page 7)
• Prediction, based on Saga not wanting Willow to look into the future, that FDW will die at the hands of Buffy. This would lead to a rift between the two and Willow will go on the dark path.
• Twilight is a manipulator and wants to end magic. I predict that Twilight will bring about the demon army for Willow to command against Buffy’s army of Slayers (most likely through Saga Vasuki), and also give Buffy the spell to banish demons and magic from the earthly dimension.
• Buffy will use the spell to save Xander, who is the Prince. (Issue #18, page 7 shows FDW calling Buffy the Princess, and being a Bander fanatic, I immediately see Xander as the Prince). As the Prince, Xander’s life will be in danger and Buffy will have to save him. I believe this is the only circumstance which would force Buffy to cast a spell effectually banishing Willow from earth (with her hand as the one from Fray reaching through the portal).
This is not very fleshed out, but this is currently how I am viewing the current TOYL arc against the backdrop of the final battle and all predictive things we have seen thus far in S8.
What do you think?
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Post by Emmie on Nov 24, 2008 8:08:24 GMT -5
I believe that Willow is the big bad this season. I actually think it's the opposite. I've been doing a closer reading of Season 8 looking for literary hints, the idea being that the theme is what Joss bases his story around. That Joss decides what the message will be, then carries the characters through this journey. So I'm trying to think in terms of a writer's perspective regarding season 8. Season 8 works to answer the question raised by the events of Chosen: • What are the consequences of activating all the potentials? Specifically, how does this action affect the world and the main characters?Season 8 explores the morality of this "choice" that forces nearly 2000 girls to have this "fun yet alarming condition". Was this action just? Did it make the world better? Entering this changed world, Buffy feels responsible for these girls and is changing herself to meet this responsibility, at times compromising her own morality to meet the demands of her new 'Big Picture' outlook. While Buffy is transforming, the Slayer Spell sends Willow on a journey of self-discovery, a spiritual and magical Walkabout where she is tempted by her new-found mentor, Saga Vasuki. One of the main themes introduced in The Long Way Home is 'All is not as it seems'. This is the main reason why I feel that Willow will not be the Big Bad of Season 8. Rather than recycling the Season 6 story, I think Season 8 will actually work to fully redeem Willow. In Season 7, she worked towards regaining her confidence and self-control. In Season 8, her confidence and control are restored only to be further tempted by the extremely powerful magical being, Vasuki. I feel it's safe to predict that Willow will learn of her future self (either from glimpsing or from Buffy telling her), so she'll be shown a potential dark path for her. Her journey so far is this: self-discovery, being tested and tempted, shown a glimpse of a dark future... I think the knowledge of the future will help strengthen Willow to make a noble choice regarding her magic. To finally self-actualize and grow. She *appears* to be going DARK, but I predict she'll actually move beyond this, perhaps even making the ultimate sacrifice to save others. What if Willow is the one who banishes magic? Recall that Willow was really the one who made all the potentials slayers, but Buffy as the Slayer gets the credit for this action. Or perhaps Willow sees another solution besides banishing magic or the approaching chaos, something that requires her to make a sacrifice. I think ultimately, this season will be resolved with Buffy realizing that activating all the potentials was too lofty a goal. Hubris - pride goeth before a fall. Buffy and her allies aren't strong enough to properly wield and direct the power of 2000 slayers. There are too many girls empowered with something that is rooted in darkness, girls struggling with this inner darkness who don't have someone to guide them. |
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 24, 2008 11:49:54 GMT -5
What if Willow is the one who banishes magic? Recall that Willow was really the one who made all the potentials slayers, but Buffy as the Slayer gets the credit for this action. Or perhaps Willow sees another solution besides banishing magic or the approaching chaos, something that requires her to make a sacrifice. I think ultimately, this season will be resolved with Buffy realizing that activating all the potentials was too lofty a goal. Hubris - pride goeth before a fall. Buffy and her allies aren't strong enough to properly wield and direct the power of 2000 slayers. There are too many girls empowered with something that is rooted in darkness, girls struggling with this inner darkness who don't have someone to guide them. I agree that both Willow and Buffy are in line for a resolution against magic to redeem their morality. When I said Willow was the big bad, this was laden with moral ambiguity, as both characters have been this season. I guess what I meant to say was I think Willow will be against Buffy, like puppets on a marionette stage with Twilight pulling the strings. In my "vision" of the end battle, I see both characters fighting each other but both characters will end up redeemed. However, based on the Fray account of this battle, I do suspect that the spell to banish magic and demons will end the battle, resulting in the end of the Slayer Army as well as Willow. (Look at the hand in the Fray TPB and FDW's hand in Issue #18 at the end, they look very similar and knowing that Moline drew both, I have to suspect that it is the same person, Willow). Who will make the call to banish magic and demons, I believe it is still too close to call, since both characters would have some redemption for making that choice. |
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Post by BennyTheKey on Nov 24, 2008 14:40:32 GMT -5
I read some of the posts about how the other slayers powers will be taken away. I think though for the end of this season that Buffy's slayer power will be taken away, she did kind of "lend" it to everyone else..I dont know if that makes any sense at all (even to me) and I dont know how it will work. But thats what I think.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Nov 24, 2008 15:28:44 GMT -5
What the hell are all you people talking about ..(*I am only up to TPB 2* lol) But I really like the 'no more Slayers' but for Buffy and Faith...
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 24, 2008 18:39:43 GMT -5
What the hell are all you people talking about ..(*I am only up to TPB 2* lol) But I really like the 'no more Slayers' but for Buffy and Faith... In Fray, there is an account of a battle between a slayer with a few mystical allies and an apocalyptic demon army, ending with the banishment of magic and demons from the earthly dimension. We also see a picture of a hand reaching through a portal with a tentacle wrapped around the wrist, as if pulling them back. It's obviously a woman's hands by the long, colored fingernails. You should really pick up the Fray TPB, it will help you figure out what is going on in the TOYL arc. Bonus you can see this futuristic prophesy of S8/S9, and come up with theories of your own. |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Nov 25, 2008 2:17:53 GMT -5
What the hell are all you people talking about ..(*I am only up to TPB 2* lol) But I really like the 'no more Slayers' but for Buffy and Faith... In Fray, there is an account of a battle between a slayer with a few mystical allies and an apocalyptic demon army, ending with the banishment of magic and demons from the earthly dimension. We also see a picture of a hand reaching through a portal with a tentacle wrapped around the wrist, as if pulling them back. It's obviously a woman's hands by the long, colored fingernails. You should really pick up the Fray TPB, it will help you figure out what is going on in the TOYL arc. Bonus you can see this futuristic prophesy of S8/S9, and come up with theories of your own. Wow Cool, thanks touched;) I do have a Fray TPB I just havn't read it in so long... I might have to re-read it now. Buffy/Fray storyline sounds SO VERY COOL...  |
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Post by CowboyGuy on Nov 25, 2008 10:12:10 GMT -5
This is really a waste of time. Why don't we just sit down and let the big bad come to us, instead of guessin' what who! Oh, and don't kill Spike! Haha I doubt Spike will be killed off anytime soon, if ever at all! He's so popular... Well, that's what speculation is all about. A fun thing to do to pass the time, for those members who have nothing else to do anyway. Yes, it is kind of a waste of time. But it's not that major. |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Nov 25, 2008 14:37:21 GMT -5
Oh yes kill Spike ! or even better make him evil again, thats the only time I liked him (BTVSs2.)
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Dec 1, 2008 4:44:52 GMT -5
As long as they don't do what they did in the fourth season of Angel where the each major bad guy had a boss and their boss had a boss and the boss's boss had a boss ... it's too confusing.
I just want the Twilight story to be concluded at the end (unless the ninth season continues with it) so that it ends with no "What the...?'s" and stuff like that.
BTW I really didn't enjoy the "Time of Your Life" Fray crossover arc because I felt as though it was irrelevant to the story - to Twilight - to the entire series because Fray is still there.
I liked Fray the Future Slayer series that Joss made but I always considered that to be in a whole different world. Don't ask me why but it didn't feel right to say she was the only one chosen when "Two" slayers would roam the earth forever (buffy/faith) and then when all the potentials became slayers I was like "Even better!" but when I heard Fray/BTVS s8 crossover I was quite disappointed.
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Post by Witchy on Dec 5, 2008 20:06:20 GMT -5
Hi Guys!
Well, this is really cool… I know, just the geeky in me who’s talking
Ok, since it’s clear, I think, that s8 is some sort of a bridge between s7 and Fray… It’s fair to rewatch and reread those… and I got some facts that could help… or at least would be fun to read.
So far we’re sure that the mother of all battles (I think) it’s going to happen somewhere near s8, maybe s9… (seriously, how great would it be that in the end, Buffy lose all her powers and become a normal girl… normal again… and with a human Angel (I haven’t read any of A: After the fall, so I’m thinking about the shanshu prophecy)... there will be fat grandchildrens in their future)
Where was I?... oh yeah, before that… so, as Will explain in some part of TOYL, this battle or spell or whatever is going to cause some ripples… and those were the ones who allowed Buffy to travel to the future, so she can know what happened in her time…
Here, if this is a little bit accurate, this will explain why Will had to wait for this portal to open and be able to bring Buffy to the future so, she can saver her world… that and the theory about Will being the Guardian of the scythe, that I read it here, and in ABH Will made clear that it’s not by choice… so, her mission would be to wait for a slayer and give her the scythe (so she can fight against the demons that were coming back) and to bring Buffy and show her the future.. and, well… you know what else she did… why… I have no idea…
The thing is, I’m not sure that the magic will be banished because of a single spell (even if it’s bigger that the scythe-one), when the Guardian told Buffy the history about the scythe, she told her that it was made to kill the last pure demon on earth, that’s the reason B got it, not other slayer but the Queen… (still, it’s not clear why is Buffy this girl… the scythe was build in the other side of the world and brought to SunnyD for her… that’s where enters the theory about she being some kind of really, really special slayer)
In Fray, after Urkonn tells Mel the story about this battle, he tells her that there were some girls, with the power and the memories, but since there were no demons, or at least no pure demons, they were never called… and the Watchers wait, because the were sure that the demons will come back and a Slayer will be needed.
Is also clear that Mel had the strength and speed and all the other cool things that a slayer (activated by the scythe) would have, except from the memories that went to Harth… apparently no de-power the girls… the spell will go on and on… maybe even after Fray… unless Buffy decides to change the power of the girls for the future… and that’s the kind of choice she’s been making since forever… Angel, Dawn, even herself…
Until then there was no need for a slayer but Harth (and it would be interesting to know when FDW found him… before or after Fray was activated??) had this plan about open the Hellmouth… and the demons weren’t ready, so they send Urkonn to train Mel… to stop that plan and then he would kill her…
The thing is… so far, no Twilight, I’m sure this guy is related to Buffy, Willow and Dawn and no, I do not think it’s Xander or Giles… but in a way that’s magical and that stuff… he wants to end magic, to end slayers, but what about demons?... if he knew what’s the purpose of the scythe… he may be working to end all the mystical universe…… and he’s working in starting a war… so the slayer ends with the demons and maybe herself…
This also doesn’t explain who betrays Buffy… well, there’s Riley… but we don’t know or at least we’re no sure on who’s side he is…
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 6, 2008 20:16:31 GMT -5
BTW I really didn't enjoy the "Time of Your Life" Fray crossover arc because I felt as though it was irrelevant to the story - to Twilight - to the entire series because Fray is still there. I liked Fray the Future Slayer series that Joss made but I always considered that to be in a whole different world. Don't ask me why but it didn't feel right to say she was the only one chosen when "Two" slayers would roam the earth forever (buffy/faith) and then when all the potentials became slayers I was like "Even better!" but when I heard Fray/BTVS s8 crossover I was quite disappointed. I kinda felt that way too, I was expecting more Fray stuff in there, but what was included only confused the general reader. Tho I do think this story has very much significance to the rest of the season, and will probably be referenced a great deal, especially in regards to Willow. |
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Post by soulbrave on Dec 14, 2008 14:10:34 GMT -5
Actually, there will be season 9, so i don´t think that the "apocalyptic battle" will be in this season. maybe the season will end with the Slayer army, all those girl will be just girls again, and Buffy (and faith) will be the only slayers.
but i don´t know, like Joss says "Is this like a ‘Terminator’ thing where we can change it?” Whedon asked. “Are things going to be like that in the future, or is it a ‘Terminator 3’ thing where we can’t change it? That’s the question. Can Buffy preserve the world she’s created, or is it going to come crashing down?”
in other words... everything can happens this season...
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Post by snizapman6294 on Dec 14, 2008 16:53:51 GMT -5
do you know which issue in which urkkon siad that... cuz weren't the first few issues out in 2001-ish? if it is the mystical allies i think it would be in a later issue (?) cuz i don't think even Joss thinks that far ahead... or maybe from the very beginning, he knew how he wanted to end it... i don't know...
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 19, 2008 14:29:28 GMT -5
I believe it is in issue 3, page 10
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I don't think Joss thinks that far ahead in any sense of planning per se, but I do think Joss has an idea in his head. That's why Fray came to be, and why he HAD to have a Fray crossover arc toward the beginning of this season. It's all connected in that magical head of his.
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