eriktheslayerboy
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Post by eriktheslayerboy on Dec 24, 2008 13:20:51 GMT -5
I would really enjoy a gay guy in the buffy verse i think joss would actually do it with quality. If he ever does.
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underbuffysspell
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Post by underbuffysspell on Dec 24, 2008 14:35:06 GMT -5
I'd really like to see some gay male relationships in Buffy; relationships that are a bit more than just minor or secondary plots. I mean, we have Willow, Tara, Kenedy, Satsu, and now Buffy... I think it's a bit preposterous that girl-on-girl action is more acceptable. I'm not saying it's COMPLETELY accepted, but you see it more often. And on the the stereotype note...I'd quite like for the stereotype itself to be thrown out of the window. I mean, NOT EVERYONE fits the stereotype....and just because they do doesn't mean that they should be grouped with it.
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kershmuckit
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Post by kershmuckit on Dec 27, 2008 1:39:33 GMT -5
Gay and lesbian characters make up less than 2 percent of all characters on television. Of that 2 percent, 92 percent are gay men.
Just saying, google it if you dont beleieve me.
I think theres alot of use of lesbianism in TV for sex appeal, but there are rarely developed lesbian characters.
But meanwhile, on topic. Oz gay, yeah i could picture that. Andrew is the obvious one though, they should properly out him, get him a boyfriend or something. You know in season 3 joss knew he wanted to make a character gay but he didnt know which one, so he dropped hints for xander and willow. (Although he kinda dropped hints for buffy too, wonder if he was secretly considering her too) That whole thing with Larry coming out to Xander and Larry assuming Xander was gay, that was the hint for xander.
Of course he went for willow in the end
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BenTaylor3907
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 1, 2009 1:16:18 GMT -5
Well... Caleb was gay, right? lmao.
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rufio
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Post by rufio on Jan 3, 2009 18:14:58 GMT -5
Female homosexual relationships seem to be more accepted in our world because it's mostly straight MEN who have problems with homosexuality. Females in general are more sympathetic and emotional than males, so they usually understand sexuality better than men-plus a lot of women love gay men. But as for the gays in the buffyverse-both lesbians AND gay men are represented, but not equally. I think Joss was right in making Willow gay instead of Xander b/c it jives more with the show's theme of female empowerment. But that doesn't mean that the gay male characters need to be totally non-existent! Yeah we had Larry, but he was hardly there and he died. Same for Scott Hope, who we barely knew at all. And then of course there is Andrew. At this point- I'm okay with him not being 'out' b/c there is always a time in a gay persons life when their sexuality isn't out in the open. I'm just really hoping they out Andrew in due time, and eventually give his character some maturity and depth.Gay men stereotypes need to be broken down HARDCORE.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 3, 2009 19:12:19 GMT -5
I'm just really hoping they out Andrew in due time, and eventually give his character some maturity and depth.Gay men stereotypes need to be broken down HARDCORE. The only problem with giving Andrew too much depth and maturity is that it is essentially antithetical to his creation. Yes, Andrew has always been played as rather sexually ambiguous, but the frivolity of his character speaks to much more than just being a gay stereotype. Andrew, for the most part, lives in this fantasy world of pop culture and consumerism. His inception is pretty much a satirical look on today's wildly unthinking consumerism. His lines, wholly quote, if not reflect iconic moments ingrained in our realm of pop culture. I guess my point is that in outing Andrew, one does not necessarily remove the gay stereotype of frivolity. Andrew's feyness stems from other sources. For a great article on Andrew's character, read "The Candide of Sunnydale: Andrew Wells as Satire of Pop Culture and Marketing Trends" by Ira and Anne Shull in Buffy Goes Dark: Essays on the Final Two Seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Television.
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angelmonster
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Post by angelmonster on Jan 5, 2009 10:56:38 GMT -5
As a few people have said there are more gay men in television today then women so I don't really think it matters much that they don't suddenly throw a gay man in the loop on Buffy out of no where. just look around, there are several tv shows AND comics that feature gay male characters. Name three that features lesbians besides "The L Word" that are out on tv/comics right now.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Jan 5, 2009 21:45:37 GMT -5
Joss Whedon has commented on Andrew's ambiguous sexuality... he said in LGBT magazine The Advocate: "Tom has a bit of a fey thing going on in his persona that, you know, you can't really deny. When I first looked at his audition tape, I said "OK, he, uh, he seems kinda gay. Do we want to make that decision [about the character]? There's no reason why he couldn't be, so, great, let's pick the funniest actor." [...] The character became very charming in his complete lack of awareness about, among other things, his own sexuality." I guess that makes it official. Though I don't think they should ever hook him up with anyone, it's funnier that he doesn't realise it.
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jellymoff
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Post by jellymoff on Jan 8, 2009 4:06:10 GMT -5
As a few people have said there are more gay men in television today then women so I don't really think it matters much that they don't suddenly throw a gay man in the loop on Buffy out of no where. just look around, there are several tv shows AND comics that feature gay male characters. Name three that features lesbians besides "The L Word" that are out on tv/comics right now. I'll take your challenge, and I'm not saying that I don't think there should be more lesbian relationships on TV, 'cause there could be more. Many of them are previously straight characters "going gay" Nip/Tuck: Julia and Olivia (Portia De Rossi) Liz is consitently gay but rarely has a realationship Grey's Anatomy: Callie and Erica (I think that's their names, I don't watch the show, so I don't know the status of their relationship) Rescue Me: Tommy's daughter dated a girl for a while, although I think it was "just a phase" Degrassi has some lesbian characters as well. Anyway those are some, but you do have to dig deep.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 8, 2009 9:08:58 GMT -5
The Callie and Erica one is over. In fact, it's so over that the Erica character wasn't even given a goodbye. It was like she walked off to her car one night, and then never came back. There was quite an outcry about that one.
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Post by Giant Michael on Jan 10, 2009 11:36:15 GMT -5
I agree that most media presentations of gay characters is stereotypical, and that's probably the reason why I can't bring myself to watch Ugly Betty. Off topic, but you might want to give it a chance. The show paints with broad strokes and, by it's nature, a lot of the characters come out looking and sounding like cartoons. It's easy to write them off as stereotypes - and to see stereotypes and cry 'stereotypes!', forgetting that this is a show about the fashion industry and that those stereotypes very definitely exist - but particularly with a character like Marc, there's a lot of depth there, a lot of character work which goes some way to explaining why he is the way he is, and a lot of tropes and cliches subverted and played with. That, and Hilda is fierce. MB x
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Post by wenxina on Jan 10, 2009 12:02:30 GMT -5
Well, to be kinda on-topic, an introduction of a hot gay character would be great on a very superficial level, if he's ever featured on any of Jo's covers. She does very beautiful men. Samples on her old website: www.jo-chen.com/engpage/engpage.htmJust click on the "Gallery". But to address your post Giant Michael, while I understand that everything about that show is not as superficial as I tend to think it is, I'm tired of the old tropes. I'm also tired of the "vocations" in which gay men are supposed to be good at: fashion, beauty, entertainment, etc. One of the reasons I found Brokeback Mountain (both the novella and movie) to be so empowering and daring is that it subverts the tropes on all levels. The characters were not conventionally attractive (Jake and Heath made for very attractive translations, though), they worked hard, their lives weren't charmed, and Prada would probably sound like a foreign food item to them. I guess my point is that the pigeon-holing of the "image" of male homosexuals in many media presentations is what I'm against. I am glad that Ugly Betty actually develops their gay characters more than just treating them as window dressing. BtVS has been accused of perpetuating the "femme" image of lesbians, and I can't say I disagree. Therefore, I think that it would be a positive position for the show to take (if it incorporated a gay male character) to step away from stereotypes. Maybe even introducing the character without the sexuality subtext until later. Just make him hot, for the sake of Chen's masterful artistry! And that last note was more a joke than an actual contradiction.
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BenTaylor3907
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 10, 2009 13:16:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't mind a gay male on Buffy who is um.... manly? I don't think I said that right.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 11:01:20 GMT -5
I think the case is for a prominent gay male character in the Buffyverse. All the gay male characters have been marginal, thus far. So even if Clem's gay, which is one interpretation, he doesn't count. And by extension of your argument... Xander's a closet case.
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BenTaylor3907
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 11, 2009 11:20:50 GMT -5
I got it! I got it! Someone who isn't flamboyant. Thats what I meant to say in my last post. I thought Clem was bi, not gay. *shrugs* And by extension of your argument... Xander's a closet case. What Xi? *confused* Is that because he's manly? Gah! I'm real manly, I do all the manly stuff, gossiping with my girlfriends, slumber parties, manicures...all that good stuff. Bwahahahahaha!
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 12:45:23 GMT -5
Was referring the the fight that Clem and Harmony have. It reminded me of Xander's slap fight with Harmony. So if Clem's gay because of the girly fight, then so is Xander.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 11, 2009 14:38:54 GMT -5
I think they're both just softies. That's what makes them so loveable!!
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liammars
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Post by liammars on Jan 11, 2009 14:43:21 GMT -5
To the guy who said "Lorne's not gay": well, that's hopeful at best. The point I was making was he is clearly encoded as gay. I.e. 'different' and charismatic Paul Lynd-ish young man with a passion for entertainment industry and musicals who leaves behind his prejudiced and backwards homeworld to go to LA where he'll feel accepted.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 13, 2009 13:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 13, 2009 13:16:37 GMT -5
Man he looks terrified. pretty but terrified.
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