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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 6, 2009 13:19:19 GMT -5
I actually feel sorry about the guy/gal that picked the pic, because I can't imagine that that person's superior is happy with that person right now.
It must have been some sort of missunderstanding about the picture's meaning, because what kind of BEEP would put a picture like that, fully knowing what it's showing and how many fans that will be pissed of, on purpose? Someone who wants to get fired real bad? Or who has a statement?
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Post by wenxina on Jan 6, 2009 13:31:13 GMT -5
While that's true, I find it hard to believe that the inappropriate image selection would have passed through editors and whatnots without anyone realizing the faux pas. To answer your question though, Skytte, the choice was deemed "edgy" according to enisy's acquaintance. So maybe it was an edgy person that selected the pic.
That said, I agree with bitsy: If you hate it that much, please, write in to the publishers. It was an unfortunate choice on their behalf, so let them know how much it hurts the fandom to see that on the first month of the new year.
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Post by tms on Jan 6, 2009 13:38:41 GMT -5
While that's true, I find it hard to believe that the inappropriate image selection would have passed through editors and whatnots without anyone realizing the faux pas. To answer your question though, Skytte, the choice was deemed "edgy" according to enisy's acquaintance. So maybe it was an edgy person that selected the pic. Ya know, if they wanted an edy picture in there, why not put it with other edgy pictures?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 6, 2009 13:45:15 GMT -5
I think the "edgy"-reply might have been a way to cover up the mess. If the publishers admit that they don't know what they're doing, they will lose customers. Not that they'll gain a bunch now...
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Post by wenxina on Jan 6, 2009 13:55:06 GMT -5
True enough. As I said, I've never bought the calendars (I don't own calendars, in general), so I wasn't even aware of this until it was brought up. So they won't lose me, but they sure as hell didn't gain my support.
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Post by untouchable on Jan 6, 2009 15:59:41 GMT -5
Am I the only person who doesn't see the big deal about this?
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Post by Emmie on Jan 6, 2009 18:21:39 GMT -5
Am I the only person who doesn't see the big deal about this? Well, compared to such issues as nuclear holocaust and starving children throughout the world, yeah it's not a big deal. But we're talking about a fandom product and dissatisfied customers. The publishers effed up. And people don't like it. We're not running around tearing our hair out but yeah, we're not happy about it. Why do we have to be okay with it? That's the way the system works. Customers get to be dissatisfied and complain about products if they're found wanting.
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Post by BennyTheKey on Jan 6, 2009 18:54:29 GMT -5
Am I the only person who doesn't see the big deal about this? I don't see the deal either. Sure it may cause offense to some but the pictures are highlighting Buffy's relationships, and the one she had with Spike was destructive, which the picture highlights. Its only one picture!. It's not as if this didn't happen in the show because it did!. I don't see how a picture from the actual show can causes such an uproar!?.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 6, 2009 19:04:40 GMT -5
Am I the only person who doesn't see the big deal about this? I don't see the deal either. Sure it may cause offense to some but the pictures are highlighting Buffy's relationships, and the one she had with Spike was destructive, which the picture highlights. Its only one picture!. It's not as if this didn't happen in the show because it did!. I don't see how a picture from the actual show can causes such an uproar!?. All of Buffy's relationships had their "destructive" moments though, and their tender moments. There are plenty of Buffy and Spike moments that the company could have used to showcase the softer sides to their relationship. People have a problem with the picture because it is a picture of attempted rape in between two happy moments. Not really the greatest idea. Sure it happened on the show, but do you really want to look at a picture of attempted rape for 30 days? They could have used a picture of Anya getting sliced in half or, like others said, Angelus snapping Jenny's neck, and the fan reaction would be the same. It is just a moment that doesn't need to be on a calendar, especially when the other pictures on the page are light and happy. I am hardly a fan of Spike and Buffy, as I tend to just go with the flow in terms of Buffyverse ships, but I wouldn't want to look at that picture.
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Post by dragonweaver on Jan 6, 2009 19:23:06 GMT -5
I completely agree Wyndam. I got the calendar as a gift, and I'm happy to have it, but for now I'm planning on waiting till the end of this month to put it up. I don't want or need to see that image all month long.
I still can't believe out of all the Spike/Buffy moments, both good & bad, that the pubishers picked that image to represent their relationship. It was just totally unnecessary and completely in bad taste.
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Post by bitsy on Jan 6, 2009 19:52:50 GMT -5
I don't see the deal either. Sure it may cause offense to some but the pictures are highlighting Buffy's relationships, and the one she had with Spike was destructive, which the picture highlights. Its only one picture!. It's not as if this didn't happen in the show because it did!. I don't see how a picture from the actual show can causes such an uproar!?. All of Buffy's relationships had their "destructive" moments though, and their tender moments. There are plenty of Buffy and Spike moments that the company could have used to showcase the softer sides to their relationship. People have a problem with the picture because it is a picture of attempted rape in between two happy moments. Not really the greatest idea. Sure it happened on the show, but do you really want to look at a picture of attempted rape for 30 days? They could have used a picture of Anya getting sliced in half or, like others said, Angelus snapping Jenny's neck, and the fan reaction would be the same. It is just a moment that doesn't need to be on a calendar, especially when the other pictures on the page are light and happy. I am hardly a fan of Spike and Buffy, as I tend to just go with the flow in terms of Buffyverse ships, but I wouldn't want to look at that picture. I have a feeling people would be less bothered by Anya being sliced in half or Angelus snapping Jenny Calendar's neck. The real issue here is that they selected an image of sexual violence. Not too many people know someone whose neck was snapped or were cut in half but there's a horrifying percentage of women who have experienced sexual assault. That, to me, is the difference and what makes this particular picture so completely inappropriate.
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Post by untouchable on Jan 7, 2009 12:57:22 GMT -5
All of Buffy's relationships had their "destructive" moments though, and their tender moments. There are plenty of Buffy and Spike moments that the company could have used to showcase the softer sides to their relationship. People have a problem with the picture because it is a picture of attempted rape in between two happy moments. Not really the greatest idea. Sure it happened on the show, but do you really want to look at a picture of attempted rape for 30 days? They could have used a picture of Anya getting sliced in half or, like others said, Angelus snapping Jenny's neck, and the fan reaction would be the same. It is just a moment that doesn't need to be on a calendar, especially when the other pictures on the page are light and happy. I am hardly a fan of Spike and Buffy, as I tend to just go with the flow in terms of Buffyverse ships, but I wouldn't want to look at that picture. I have a feeling people would be less bothered by Anya being sliced in half or Angelus snapping Jenny Calendar's neck. The real issue here is that they selected an image of sexual violence. Not too many people know someone whose neck was snapped or were cut in half but there's a horrifying percentage of women who have experienced sexual assault. That, to me, is the difference and what makes this particular picture so completely inappropriate. But the picture is of an event that happened on Buffy and this is a Buffy calendar. Plus the rape was just fictional. There have been tons of TV shows and movies that have shown people getting raped. How is a picture of someone getting raped any different than a person getting murdered? Wouldn't people who have had a friend or family member murdered be offended by images of people who were killed? Buffy is a dark show, and the people who watch it know that. If you were raped and offended by the picture, wouldn't the scene on TV be a million times worse for them? The only people who would buy this calendar are fans of Buffy, if they can't handle an image from an episode of the show then they are not really a fan of the show and shouldn't be buying the calendar . I'm sure the company who produced the calendar didn't have the intention of offending fans of the show or rape victims. They were just showing the different aspects of Buffy's relationship, the good and the bad.
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Post by Enisy on Jan 7, 2009 13:09:37 GMT -5
And that would work if you had, say, a page showing the bad aspects of Angel(us)/Buffy, Riley/Buffy and Spike/Buffy, and another page showing their good aspects. Instead, we have... Angel and Buffy cuddling, Riley and Buffy having a picnic, and Spike and Buffy in mid-attempted rape -- from an episode in which they weren't even together in any sense. Does not compute.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Jan 7, 2009 13:37:21 GMT -5
I have a feeling people would be less bothered by Anya being sliced in half or Angelus snapping Jenny Calendar's neck. The real issue here is that they selected an image of sexual violence. Not too many people know someone whose neck was snapped or were cut in half but there's a horrifying percentage of women who have experienced sexual assault. That, to me, is the difference and what makes this particular picture so completely inappropriate. But the picture is of an event that happened on Buffy and this is a Buffy calendar. Plus the rape was just fictional. There have been tons of TV shows and movies that have shown people getting raped. How is a picture of someone getting raped any different than a person getting murdered? Wouldn't people who have had a friend or family member murdered be offended by images of people who were killed? Buffy is a dark show, and the people who watch it know that. If you were raped and offended by the picture, wouldn't the scene on TV be a million times worse for them? The only people who would buy this calendar are fans of Buffy, if they can't handle an image from an episode of the show then they are not really a fan of the show and shouldn't be buying the calendar . I'm sure the company who produced the calendar didn't have the intention of offending fans of the show or rape victims. They were just showing the different aspects of Buffy's relationship, the good and the bad. But I own absolutely no calenders that feature a photograph of rape. Except that one GARFIELD calender but Jim Davis was going through a dark time. I don't understand why people are confused that someone would have an objection to a photograph of attempted rape. It's weird and not something I want to look at.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 7, 2009 14:16:36 GMT -5
The only people who would buy this calendar are fans of Buffy, if they can't handle an image from an episode of the show then they are not really a fan of the show and shouldn't be buying the calendar Well then, I'd better throw away my Buffy DVDs, books and comics, delete my account here and move on with my life, just because I don't want to look at a image of a attempted rape. I'm not any less of a fan just because I dislike this picture, or because I stay away from pictures/scenes of Buffy/Angel that I have a hard time watching. I might as well say that you're not a real fan of Buffy because you're okay with having a picture of one of the characters almost getting raped in your calendar(which I'm not, I'm okay with you being okay with it). I think that many fans will have a problem with this picture and the publisher should have thought of that. It doesn't make us fake fans.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 7, 2009 14:37:12 GMT -5
But I own absolutely no calenders that feature a photograph of rape. Except that one GARFIELD calender but Jim Davis was going through a dark time. *gasps for air* Hehehehehe, oh god. I think I just hurt myself laughing. I don't understand why people are confused that someone would have an objection to a photograph of attempted rape. It's weird and not something I want to look at. Exactly. Just looking at that picture is like a slap in the face of this incredibly dark scene of the show. What's more, it's shown out of context. A scene like that cannot and should not stand alone, otherwise the message is one of Buffy's victimization. Where as we know Buffy fights back and defends herself. Sorry, I find it a bit ludicrous to say that anyone who objects to that photo in the calendar isn't a fan. I'm not a real fan because I object to that photo? Yeaaaaaaaaaaah, no. Allow me to counter the AR calendar picture with a scene they should have used -
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Post by iloveromy on Jan 7, 2009 14:44:15 GMT -5
Poor Odie...
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Post by bitsy on Jan 7, 2009 15:04:51 GMT -5
But the picture is of an event that happened on Buffy and this is a Buffy calendar. Plus the rape was just fictional. There have been tons of TV shows and movies that have shown people getting raped. How is a picture of someone getting raped any different than a person getting murdered? Wouldn't people who have had a friend or family member murdered be offended by images of people who were killed? Buffy is a dark show, and the people who watch it know that. If you were raped and offended by the picture, wouldn't the scene on TV be a million times worse for them? The only people who would buy this calendar are fans of Buffy, if they can't handle an image from an episode of the show then they are not really a fan of the show and shouldn't be buying the calendar . I'm sure the company who produced the calendar didn't have the intention of offending fans of the show or rape victims. They were just showing the different aspects of Buffy's relationship, the good and the bad. The scene in question had an emotional build up going back for years so it carried with it a resonance that was larger than the act itself. What we're talking about is a tie-in promotional item, a calendar in this case. Watching an episode of a television show wherein there is a scene involving rape is quite different from my purchasing a calendar and discovering, quite unexpectedly, amongst a bunch of sweet pictures an image of a violent, sexual assault. I don't want that staring at me on my wall at home or worse, work, for an entire month . That does not make me not a fan of the show, it makes me not a fan of the product and, as a consumer, I have a right to state my dissatisfaction. I doubt very much that the makers of this calendar had the intention of offending some of those who purchased it but, unfortunately, they did. What we're talking about is simple business logic. If you had offended a large portion of the market you meant to appeal to, wouldn't you want to know so you could do damage control? Or would you prefer people be silently angry and simply never purchase tie in products through your company again? This isn't rocket science. People were offended and they should say so, period. But I own absolutely no calenders that feature a photograph of rape. Except that one GARFIELD calender but Jim Davis was going through a dark time. I don't understand why people are confused that someone would have an objection to a photograph of attempted rape. It's weird and not something I want to look at. Speaking of Jim Davis (and being totally off topic), have you ever seen Garfield Minus Garfield? It's exactly what it sounds like and it is hilarious . You don't realize how severely disturbed Jon Arbuckle is until he doesn't have a fat, orange cat to talk to. Check it out garfieldminusgarfield.net if you haven't already. Back on topic, I don't know why anyone would want to look at rape either. Even if you haven't experienced any kind of sexual assault personally it's still extremely icky and with the uncomfortable making. Then again this is the internet we're talking about here where there's a market for everything.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Jan 7, 2009 15:11:21 GMT -5
God I love it.
Can they do BUFFY WITHOUT BUFFY? The calender pictures without her. Then, everyone's problem is solved, Spike is just angrily yelling at the bathroom floor.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 7, 2009 15:16:19 GMT -5
I'm sure someone here at Slayalive could digitally remove Buffy from the scene. Any takers?
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