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Post by Randi Giles on May 25, 2010 8:15:06 GMT -5
.Well, like Christian said, "time" was pretty much irrelevant. Those characters didn't all die at the same time, and at the ages we saw them at. Some of them (like Ben) might have simply chosen not to move on in the spiritual sense. Oops! I sort of misspoke. That's where I was getting at. I meant it wasn't their time to move on or at least they weren't choosing to. Any shippers out there? I was just thinking how the writers kind of left room for fans to fill in. As a Jate fan I'm happy with thinking they are spending their afterlife together. For those Skaters it could be possible that they got together once they were off the island. And by the way even though you would think Sayid would want to spend his afterlife with Nadia I was pleased to see him and Shannon. I'm surprised that I'm hearing some people didn't considering as I thought some fans were upset that he seemingly forgot about her. I squealed like a little girl when I saw her and during their flashes. I had no idea Maggie Grace was going to be on the final season. I guess I should start paying better attention to the credits in the beginning.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on May 25, 2010 16:08:03 GMT -5
Probably, considering they put everyone who's ever been main cast (and the special guests who we've come to love like Rose and Bernard) in the "Starring" section of this episode, if they made an appearance of some kind. Damon is on record saying he's a Jater. But given how much time they put into Jate in season 1, and the leap of faith we had to take with Sawyer and Juliet in season 5, it doesn't surprise me that this is how the couples ended up. But at least not everyone flashed on their "true loves" - I loved especially that Kate and Claire got to share their giving birth to Aaron moment, that's one of my all-time favorite moments of the show.
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Post by VampSlayer on May 25, 2010 16:51:03 GMT -5
I like to think that James and Kate spent the rest of their lives together, off island. But they obviously couldn't replace Jack or Juliet for one another, as those are the two they choose to be with, after death. In my eyes, it's a win-win for every shipper.
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Post by Randi Giles on May 25, 2010 16:54:56 GMT -5
I like to think that James and Kate spent the rest of their lives together, off island. But they obviously couldn't replace Jack or Juliet for one another, as those are the two they choose to be with, after death. In my eyes, it's a win-win for every shipper. I know. That's the brilliance of it. I can't think of any other show that pleased every ship.
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Post by patxshand on May 26, 2010 0:22:14 GMT -5
I'm sort of thrown that there are people that watched this finale and came to the conclusion that they died when the plane crashed. Um. What? Christian said that everything happened, and that it doesn't matter when they died because time is irrelevant. Hurley goes on to tell Ben that he was a good number two, and Ben says he was a great number one.
And also, had they died when the plane crashed, why would they want to go to the afterlife with a bunch of strangers?
The fact that all the island stuff happened wasn't left ambiguous at all.
Also, I'm glad Ben didn't go into the church and leave this kinda-purgatory with them. He belonged with Alex. Dassit.
I do wish that they showed Locke and Boone greeting each other. I mean, they took the time out to show Jack and Boone man-hugging, and those two barely even spoke on the island.
Overall, brilliant, brilliant finale.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on May 26, 2010 1:34:58 GMT -5
People were thrown because of ABC. They showed shots of the 815 wreckage over the final credits to transition from LOST to local news, and everyone thought that that was the real final image (as opposed to the actual ending of Jack and Vincent).
I'll be interested to see what 20 minutes they cut from the finale.
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Post by patxshand on May 26, 2010 11:37:57 GMT -5
Really? A few shots of the plane over the credits were enough to subvert what was established in the actual body of the episode just minutes prior? That... is bizarre and mind-boggling.
And I don't think everyone thought that. Maybe a few here and there, but until now, I haven't seen anyone talk about any final shot except for Jack's eye.
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Post by Marcos on May 26, 2010 12:37:11 GMT -5
Hey, I have a question: is it just me that felt cheated about them not explaining why the hell tha light in the hole was so important? I just couldn't care about any of that anymore, 'cause for all I know, it could be another case like the hatch and the numbers: end of the world? Nah, just a simple eletromagnetic explosion.
But I realized this lack of answear was an statement: you're supposed to be a believer like Jack, and just believe that all of this had to be done, because the show is all about blind faith and embracing the higher purposes. then ok, it's a reason, it's an statement, not a failure. And for some people it may be nice and genius.
But then I'm not your public. I'm the public of stories like Joss' shows and Supernatural, where there is a whole bunch of gods and masterplans and prophecies but the characters ALWAYS spit in the face of destiny and "never do what they're supposed to" (quoting Buffy). And for those characters I truly care, and I truly care what happens around them, because everything matters and are not about what the big sky bully wants.
And it bothers me that the show (kinda like Battlestar Galactica) became so much about accepting fate, embracing masterplans and not asking why. Once it was about fate vs. free will (or faith vs. science), but free will obviously lost.
Considering that Lost was ultimately for religious viewers, then I'd say the finale was perfect. Critically speaking, it was perfect, and so was the show as a whole. But I'm sad to realize that I lost so much time following a show that wasn't made for me.
The only thing I don't regret was investing on the characters. Not talking about Jack or Hurley or Desmond or Locke, those "destiny's bitches". I'm talking about people who didn't give a damn about the higher purposes and was just trying to live as good as they could. Claire, Charlie, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, Sun, Jin, etc. Real people with real choices in real problems. The show was genius in that sense and to THAT I can relate. But that's all.
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Post by patxshand on May 26, 2010 17:26:53 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think Lost was about accepting fate blindly. Jack took his fate by the balls and used his Jacob-given powers in a way that Jacob explicitly told him not to. He took the MIB right to the light, which was essentially the opposite of what Jacob told him. He used his own intelligence and faith in Desmond and himself on a risky plan which, again, Jacob said not to do.
I'd argue that the only example of "destiny's bitch" is Jacob. If you take a closer look at the narrative, you can see how the characters twisted the concept of their own destiny and made their connections to each other--not Jacob's idea of what they're meant to do--become their true and ultimate fate.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on May 26, 2010 19:50:38 GMT -5
Really? A few shots of the plane over the credits were enough to subvert what was established in the actual body of the episode just minutes prior? That... is bizarre and mind-boggling. And I don't think everyone thought that. Maybe a few here and there, but until now, I haven't seen anyone talk about any final shot except for Jack's eye. A reviewer for one of the LA newspapers got confused; their entire review was a one-star rant about how the past six years had been a waste of time because everybody had been dead from the start. Wish I could find it, it was pretty humorous.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2010 21:52:56 GMT -5
A reviewer for one of the LA newspapers got confused; their entire review was a one-star rant about how the past six years had been a waste of time because everybody had been dead from the start. Wish I could find it, it was pretty humorous. This is why reality television is doing so well. You can still enjoy it even if you're the kind of viewer who only pays attention for about 7 seconds out of every minute. You can't watch lost while also texting 5 people, playing Red Dead Redemption, and picking at that really gross bug bite on your shin. ADD has become the New Normal.
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Post by whitecandy on May 27, 2010 14:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by VampSlayer on May 27, 2010 18:50:51 GMT -5
Yeah, saw that the other day. Alex is really funny. His Twilight readings are the best thing ever.
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Post by Randi Giles on May 27, 2010 18:58:22 GMT -5
Every confused Lost fan needs to watch that video. It's humorous to me that people still think everyone died when the crashed when Christian told Jack specifically that everything that ever happen was real.
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Post by Wyndam on May 28, 2010 12:17:46 GMT -5
Have to sit in the airport for 2 hours and need something to do, so I thought I'd post my thoughts! I can't really say much that hasn't already been said, but I thought the finale was pretty much perfect.
Darlton threw a number of final surprises our way, which I loved. The ALT wasn't a parallel universe that Desmond was trying to merge, but a limbo of sorts. I loved everything about the limbo, the character reunions, the awakenings (all of which made me tear up, Locke's was amazing), and the final moments in the church.
The Island stuff was great, thrilling and exciting. Waiting to find out who was right about Desmond (Jack or Locke, both turned out to be), was thrilling, and the final fight between Jack and Locke was intense, well choreographed and just awesome.
Jack's "purpose" turned out to be quite simple, when you look at it, plugging the Island's cork back in. That said, he was amazing in this episode. I've said it a lot, but Matthew Fox really deserves an Emmy nod this year. Terry O'Quinn as well. Charting Jack's journey through the seasons is going to be so exciting now that we know where he ends up.
I'm happy that we finally got an "I love you" from Kate. Only other time she said it (to Sawyer) was under diress. Her final moments with Jack were heartbreaking and Kate was all arund quite awesome this episode: shooting at Locke, twice, getting Claire to leave the island, meeting Jack in the ALT, loved it all.
The final moments of the episode were some of the best of the series. Realizing what Jack accomplished (Live together, Die together), after what he'd gone through, and his final trek through the bamboo, as he greeted everyone in the ALT, I just loved it all. It was probably Giacchino's best score as well.
If I had any issues with the episode they'd be that Sawyer didn't really have a final big moment on the island, and I wanted a final scene between an awakened Jack and Locke (Locke could have come in after Christian and Jack's chat). Small issues, as I'm sure this finale was a beast to edit and it sounds like a lot had to be cut.
Overall though, immensely satisfied with the finale and I can't wait to start another series re-watch in a month or so.
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Post by angeliclestat on May 28, 2010 20:21:38 GMT -5
I watched episodes 16 and 17 today....and I have to say I was emotionally exhausted after them. Lost is the only show apart from Angel which has affected me like this.
Angel was the first show I followed on a weekly basis, getting to know the characters and living their joys and dissapointments. And of course was devastated when it was over. But it did get me interested in following more serialised TV. And a few short months later..Lost was born.
I remember the first bit I saw...it was in an internet cafe and was the 1st 10 minutes of the pilot episode - and I was gobsmacked. As soon as it aired here I watched every week and was totally hooked. Over the years I grew to love the characters and was as confused/overjoyed/dismayed as every fan was over the incredible 6 year journey. I grew to care about these characters as I have with only one other show (ya know - Angel:P), and as every week ended on a cliffhanger I shouted at the screen like fans the world over:)
I remember the 3rd season finale when we found out that it was a flashforward...I actually had to go for a walk lol. I didnt have internet where I was so I jsut had to go to a net cafe and read about and discuss it.
Yes there were times it was frustrating...and times where they were obviously making it up as they went along. But it didnt matter. The actors were so good and the storyline so compelling that I dont care how they wrote...am just glad they did.
The final few episodes were perhaps the most emotional of anything I have ever watched. I can totally admit to sobbing like a little girl when Sun and Jin died together and imagning how it would feel if I was in the same position with my girl - the love of my life. That's great writing - that makes you identify so much with the characters that when they suffer - you suffer.
As the show drew to a close I knew we would not get all the 'answers' but like so many people misinterpreting the Angel finale (cliffhanger - pah!), some people might not have seen that those answers didnt matter. It was the characters who were important all along. And as each person in the Purgatory-verse reconnected I burst into more tears - they had found each other again. All of the death and pain of the years on the island were being repaired in a small way.
I am not a religious man - but the way that the Losties were reunited before they passed on almost made me wish I was.
So good bye Ben,Richard, Charlie,Desmond + Penny, Juliet,Shannon, Boone,Claire +Aaron, Michael and Walt, Jacob, MIB, Sun + Jin, Sayid, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Locke and Jack - it was 6 years, but I wish we had more time with you. But I am glad to have had the time we had. I will miss this show!
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Post by Marcos on May 28, 2010 22:04:04 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think Lost was about accepting fate blindly. Jack took his fate by the balls and used his Jacob-given powers in a way that Jacob explicitly told him not to. He took the MIB right to the light, which was essentially the opposite of what Jacob told him. He used his own intelligence and faith in Desmond and himself on a risky plan which, again, Jacob said not to do. I'd argue that the only example of "destiny's bitch" is Jacob. If you take a closer look at the narrative, you can see how the characters twisted the concept of their own destiny and made their connections to each other--not Jacob's idea of what they're meant to do--become their true and ultimate fate. Even so, the fact that Jack became all "that's my purpose" without even asking what is the meaning of this purpose (or, what the hell is that hole and what he should protect it) is the blindest of faiths. You can't be blinder than that. Just like Locke, in season 2, belived that he HAD to push the button (and he was wrong. the explosion was kinda bad, but not nearly as bad as the apocalypse everytone thought it would be). But Jack became even blinder than Locke. He. Never. Asked. Why (since he went back to the island). For someone that embraces that kind of life philosophy (that everything hapopens for a reason, that there is a masterplan, etc), I understand that you can't have something more perfect than this episode. Not my case at all though, and I'm talking personally. If I'm critical, then Lost's finale was flawless.
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Post by Wyndam on May 29, 2010 9:43:10 GMT -5
Jack's faith wasn't blind though. Everything he did generally resulted in people dying (Juliet being the biggie), that he finally had to shift his beliefs and stop questioning everything. He busted up Jacob's lighthouse because he couldn't understand what his role was, why he was back on the island. Finally, he was given this antagonistic force that was killing his friends, and was offered, by Jacob, a chance to stand against that force. That wasn't blind faith, that was stepping up in order to protect the people he cared about.
In the end, Jack's purpose on the island was the same it had always been, to help those around him. He was just doing it with a bit more purpose now (as he said, it was all he had left). The only time Jack slipped into a bit of blind faith, was in Season 5 when he was along for the ride, and that led to Juliet's death. He learned his lesson there.
And Locke wasn't wrong about the button. While yes, no one died, it could have had a cataclysmic affect. To be safe though, the button never should have not been pressed.
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Post by Randi Giles on May 29, 2010 13:16:09 GMT -5
I figured I make a list too. It's been almost a week and I am still Lost sick. Top Seasons1. S1 2. S6 3. S4 4. S5 5. S2 6. S3 Top 10 Characters1. Jack 2. Kate 3. Juliet 4. Hurley 5. Charlie 6. Desmond 7. Locke 8. Jacob 9. Ben 10. Sayid & Sawyer Honorable mention: Mr. Eko, Claire and MIBTop 10 Episodes1. The End 2. Pilot 3. Something Nice Back Home 4. The 23rd Psalm 5. The Incident 6. Ab Aeterno 7. The Other 48 Days 8. Greatest Hits 9. Through The Looking Glass 10. Across the Sea Top 10 Couples1. Jack and Kate 2. Juliet and Sawyer 3. Jin and Sun 4. Desmond and Penny 5. Charlie and Claire 6. Sayid and Shannon 6. Rose and Benard 8. Daniel and Charlotte 10. Jack and Juliet 10. Sayid and Nadia Honorable Mention: Hurley and Libby and
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Post by patxshand on May 30, 2010 1:39:44 GMT -5
Eh, why not, I'll bite.
And, um. Kudos for a surprising list. Never thought I'd see Kate listed so high on anyone's favorites.
Top Seasons (The top three are essentially interchangeable) 1. S4 2. S3 3. S6 4. S5 5. S1 6. S2
Top 10 Characters 1. Locke 2. Sawyer 3. Ben 4. Jack 5. Hurley 6. Charlie 7. Jacob 8. Desmond 9. Sayid 10. Jin
Top 10 Episodes 1. Through the Looking Glass 2. Deus Ex Machina 3. Ab Aeterno 4. The End 5. The Shape of things to Come 6. The Incident 7. There's No Place Like Home 8. The Candidate 9. Greatest Hits 10. Tricia Tanaka Is Dead
Top 10 Couples 1. Sawyer and Kate 2. Jack and Kate 3. Claire and Charlie 4. Desmond and Penny 5. Jin and Sun 6. Hurley and Libby 6. Sawyer and Juliet 8. Richard and his wife made me weepy 9. Kate and Nathan Fillion made me laugh 10. Sayid and his many conquests/super-emotional-attachments
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