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Post by darkdahlia on Jan 24, 2009 18:48:13 GMT -5
Rob's Halloween wasn't bad but it wasnt great. his most amazing work was Devil's Rejects. Very few directors would continue with characters in a completely different setting with different personalities and a deeper plot. genius!
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Post by faithnspike on Jan 27, 2009 8:54:49 GMT -5
Hated Halloween (zombie) the original is the best horror movie ever. Loved a lot of the cast Malcolm was a perfect Loomis but it was a simple remake. I don’t understand the “reimaging” Texas chainsaw massacre, (remake) which I love was a remake but this wasn’t??? I didn’t want to know about Michel’s childhood and the treatment of Loomis (easily my favorite character) was criminal. I loved having Daniel Harris back though.
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Post by tms on Jan 27, 2009 15:24:15 GMT -5
Hated Halloween (zombie) the original is the best horror movie ever. Loved a lot of the cast Malcolm was a perfect Loomis but it was a simple remake. I don’t understand the “reimaging” Texas chainsaw massacre, (remake) which I love was a remake but this wasn’t??? I didn’t want to know about Michel’s childhood and the treatment of Loomis (easily my favorite character) was criminal. I loved having Daniel Harris back though. Danielle lol. But yes, I was glad for Danielle back.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Jan 27, 2009 15:26:15 GMT -5
"But I'm a Cheerleader"
I've read many a critic's review that bashes that movie horribly calling it "stereotypical". I think the whole point OF the movie was to mock stereotypes. A parody onto itself.
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Post by jellymoff on Jan 27, 2009 21:39:26 GMT -5
"But I'm a Cheerleader" I've read many a critic's review that bashes that movie horribly calling it "stereotypical". I think the whole point OF the movie was to mock stereotypes. A parody onto itself. I loved that movie. I thought it was hilarious and smart.
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Post by Paul on Jan 27, 2009 21:53:26 GMT -5
I'm a biiiiig Halloween fan (the original is my favourite all-time film and has been for almost ten years) and I have mixed feelings about the remake.
On one hand, I found the trailer trash elements unnecessary and in conflict with Halloween's more middle-class tone (this isn't Texas Chain Saw Massacre!) but the exploration of Michael's childhood was interesting, albeit something I'd only like to see in a remake and not a canon movie. The movie died for me when it started regurgitating scenes from the original. Hopefully Rob's sequel will allow him to be more creative without feeling obligated to remake anything.
I'm not that invested in the remake series though. I much prefer Steph Hutchinson's comic books, which continue the original series and are actually better than any of the movie sequels. Halloween: Nightdance was genuinely disturbing and really brought Michael Myers back to his "boogeyman" roots!
In response to the thread topic, me and my friend love the movie White Chicks. It's absolutely terrible but has a few moments of comedy gold (funniest sh*t scene in a movie ever!) and it endlessly quotable. A guilty pleasure. I also love Jason X, which is generally loathed in horror fandom.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 27, 2009 22:57:52 GMT -5
The Halloween remake was a mixed bag for me as well. I consider myself a Rob Zombie fan (really enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects), and I am not even opposed to the idea of horror remakes (except when it comes to recasting Freddy Kreuger). I enjoyed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and am looking forward to the Friday the 13th re-imagining. The Halloween remake went wrong in two areas:
1. Trying to humanize Michael Myers. You just can't do that. Part of what makes the original my favorite horror film is the fact that Michael is this faceless killer. You learn some about his past, but besides that, he is simply pure evil that wants to track down and kill his baby sister. I understand why Zombie decided to flesh out Michael's backstory, because simply remaking Halloween shot for shot is not a worthy movie for Zombie. I get it, but it still wasn't necessary.
2. The movie was extremely offensive towards women. Before I saw the remake, I had heard this from one of my friends, so I was on the look out for this throughout the entire movie. Maybe that caused me to go in with preconceived judgements, but my friend was right. The word "b*tch" was thrown around like it was candy, and the death scenes seemed twice as long when one of the women were getting killed. Most of the female roles, aside from Michael's mother, were writtern thinly and poorly. Shame really, as that simply wasn't the case in the original.
The remake had a few interesting scenes, and I like Zombie well enough as a director to stay interested in what he does with the sequel, so we will just have to see.
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Post by siredbyspike on Jan 28, 2009 0:55:33 GMT -5
I'm a biiiiig Halloween fan (the original is my favourite all-time film and has been for almost ten years) and I have mixed feelings about the remake. On one hand, I found the trailer trash elements unnecessary and in conflict with Halloween's more middle-class tone (this isn't Texas Chain Saw Massacre!) but the exploration of Michael's childhood was interesting, albeit something I'd only like to see in a remake and not a canon movie. The movie died for me when it started regurgitating scenes from the original. Hopefully Rob's sequel will allow him to be more creative without feeling obligated to remake anything. I'm not that invested in the remake series though. I much prefer Steph Hutchinson's comic books, which continue the original series and are actually better than any of the movie sequels. Halloween: Nightdance was genuinely disturbing and really brought Michael Myers back to his "boogeyman" roots! In response to the thread topic, me and my friend love the movie White Chicks. It's absolutely terrible but has a few moments of comedy gold (funniest sh*t scene in a movie ever!) and it endlessly quotable. A guilty pleasure. I also love Jason X, which is generally loathed in horror fandom. I love white chicks, it is hilarious. And i also like Jason X too... you just can't beat some of the kill scenes in that. I love when he beats the one chic with her friend inside a sleeping bag, gets me every time. ;D
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Post by Paul on Jan 28, 2009 0:56:36 GMT -5
The Halloween remake was a mixed bag for me as well. I consider myself a Rob Zombie fan (really enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects), and I am not even opposed to the idea of horror remakes (except when it comes to recasting Freddy Kreuger). I enjoyed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and am looking forward to the Friday the 13th re-imagining. The Halloween remake went wrong in two areas: 1. Trying to humanize Michael Myers. You just can't do that. Part of what makes the original my favorite horror film is the fact that Michael is this faceless killer. You learn some about his past, but besides that, he is simply pure evil that wants to track down and kill his baby sister. I understand why Zombie decided to flesh out Michael's backstory, because simply remaking Halloween shot for shot is not a worthy movie for Zombie. I get it, but it still wasn't necessary. 2. The movie was extremely offensive towards women. Before I saw the remake, I had heard this from one of my friends, so I was on the look out for this throughout the entire movie. Maybe that caused me to go in with preconceived judgements, but my friend was right. The word "b*tch" was thrown around like it was candy, and the death scenes seemed twice as long when one of the women were getting killed. Most of the female roles, aside from Michael's mother, were writtern thinly and poorly. Shame really, as that simply wasn't the case in the original. The remake had a few interesting scenes, and I like Zombie well enough as a director to stay interested in what he does with the sequel, so we will just have to see. The humanization of Michael Myers is something I've struggled with as well. Obviously, it completely goes against what the characters stands for, but on the other hand, this is a remake and you don't want a carbon copy of the original. It wasn't like Zombie was trying to retcon the original character like Halloween 6 did, but rather he was creating an entirely different version of the character. The elements of the film exploring Michael's childhood, and his descent into madness, was actually the most interesting part of the film to me because at least it was new material. The actual "remake" portion of the film, with him stalking Laurie as an adult, was more boring because you'd seen the original do it better. The sexism in the movie can stem from the character himself. Even in the original, Michael is very much a sexual predator; he stalks and lusts after the female characters for the entire film, they are his primary "prey". The male victims are more circumstancial, Michael kills them out of convenience but obviously doesn't get the same "thrill" from it. I think the remake feels more offensive to women because Michael is a more aggressive character. In the original, he gets off on scaring his victims and hurting them psychlogically. In the remake, he just attacks them physically, and as a result we get long scenes of naked women being beaten up. Zombie claims he rewrote the final act of the film to make Laurie more feisty, but he didn't do a great job, because as you say, she and the rest of the cast are pretty underdeveloped. Objectively, I can say that the Halloween remake has redeeming features and is a lot more creative and better-made than most of the sequels. But as a fan of the original, it just kind of rubs me the wrong way tbh. :unsure:
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Post by tms on Jan 28, 2009 1:25:14 GMT -5
I actually heard they were planning a halloween movie set during his days in the asylum...but seriously. Can they at least end the original series?
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Post by Paul on Jan 28, 2009 8:20:22 GMT -5
I actually heard they were planning a halloween movie set during his days in the asylum...but seriously. Can they at least end the original series? Rob Zombie's remake pretty much covered all the asylum stuff anyway. Film-wise, the original series is over, they'll never go back to that, not after the flop that was Halloween: Resurrection. Instead, Stef Hutchinson is using the comic books to expand and improve the original continuity (Well, the H20-onwards continuity, since 4-6 were retconned away and quite rightly so). The comics are all inter-connected, take place over the entire series history, and have totally reinstated my love for the series as a whole (rather than just the original movie). Hutchinson has said he'll provide a conclusive ending to the series as well, though I doubt he'll kill of Myers. (Sorry if I'm totally hi-jacking this thread and turning it into a Halloween discussion btw!)
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 28, 2009 18:09:23 GMT -5
Rob Zombie's remake pretty much covered all the asylum stuff anyway. Film-wise, the original series is over, they'll never go back to that, not after the flop that was Halloween: Resurrection. Instead, Stef Hutchinson is using the comic books to expand and improve the original continuity (Well, the H20-onwards continuity, since 4-6 were retconned away and quite rightly so). The comics are all inter-connected, take place over the entire series history, and have totally reinstated my love for the series as a whole (rather than just the original movie). Hutchinson has said he'll provide a conclusive ending to the series as well, though I doubt he'll kill of Myers. (Sorry if I'm totally hi-jacking this thread and turning it into a Halloween discussion btw!) I'm pretty interested in looking into this series now. Are the only stories released so far the Nightdance and 30 Years of Terror TPB's? I checked TFAW and it looks like another mini-series is starting soon as well (Mark of the Thorn). Are there any more that I need to check out?
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Post by patxshand on Jan 28, 2009 19:39:42 GMT -5
I saw one coming out that is called THE FIRST DEATH OF __somecharactersname___
I never really saw the full Halloween movies, but from what I've read of the comics and how much this guy cares about the story intrigues me.
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Post by Paul on Jan 29, 2009 1:02:52 GMT -5
Here's a cool article/interview about the series: www.fearnet.com/news/b13005_exclusive_we_stalk_latest_halloween.htmlThere are a few titles, but you don't need to read them all to understand the story... Halloween: One Good Scare - One shot which has Michael stalking an adult Lindsey Wallace, a character from the first film. Also features Loomis' son, David. Halloween: Autopsis - One shot which comes free inside the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror documentary DVD. A photojournalist investigates Michael Myers and starts to become sexually obsessed with him and his victims. Halloween: Nightdance - Four issue miniseries. Michael Myers becomes fixated on a girl who reminds him of his sister Judith and goes about destroying her life. Halloween: Sam - Prose short story which explores the final days of Sam Loomis (from the films). It's available to download for free at the Halloween Comics website and is pretty disturbing. Halloween: 30 Years of Terror - One shot which collects various short stories about Michael and other Halloween characters. Halloween: The First Death of Laurie Strode - Three issue miniseries which shows Laurie dealing with the aftermath of the first two movies, and why she decides to fake her death. Not finished yet. Halloween: The Mark of Thorn - Upcoming miniseries. An adaptation/remake of Halloween 4 - 6 (which aren't canon anymore). The story is depicted as an in-universe comic book written by Tommy Doyle (from the original film). Also, Jamie Lloyd will appear! You should totally pick up the Nightdance TPB, it's a great standalone story and very reminiscent tonally to the first film. The others might be harder to find... First Death of Laurie Strode and 30 Years of Terror will be getting the TPB treatment soon. You should download Sam from the website ( www.halloweencomics.com/sam.php ), that's a nice conclusion to the Loomis character. By far the best part of these stories is the characterization of Michael, he's actually genuinely scary!
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 29, 2009 1:12:14 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks for the info. I have the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror DVD, so I think I have read the comic that came with that.
I will look into getting the Nightdance TPB when I have the cash, and will definitely check out the story about Loomis. He was such a great character.
Also interesting that 4-6 aren't considered canon anymore. I know it was a big debate over the years. I still own the movies (I own all of the Halloween movies), because I enjoy some parts of them. I actually think part 4 is a decent film, but none of the movies between part 2 and H20 ever worked well for the series' timeline.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 29, 2009 1:59:05 GMT -5
Big Trouble in Little China...
FTW!
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Post by faithnspike on Jan 29, 2009 8:59:51 GMT -5
I loved Halloween 4 I thought it was the best in the series (next to the original) I loved the character of Jamie but part 5 was only bearable and part 6 was painfully bad. I also own all the Halloween movies, and am afraid of what Zombie will do with a second. I think they have Malcolm under contract still so they better not have killed Loomis off. A human Michel Myers makes him less scary please no more insight into his abused childhood. He was supposed to have normal loving parents not abusive drunks. I also hated how a lot of characters were inserted just to bring up the body count.
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Post by patxshand on Jan 29, 2009 9:36:22 GMT -5
Big Trouble in Little China... FTW! Sounds like imported porn.
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Post by Paul on Jan 29, 2009 10:16:30 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks for the info. I have the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror DVD, so I think I have read the comic that came with that. I will look into getting the Nightdance TPB when I have the cash, and will definitely check out the story about Loomis. He was such a great character. Also interesting that 4-6 aren't considered canon anymore. I know it was a big debate over the years. I still own the movies (I own all of the Halloween movies), because I enjoy some parts of them. I actually think part 4 is a decent film, but none of the movies between part 2 and H20 ever worked well for the series' timeline. I really enjoyed Halloween: Autopsis. I liked how they made the protagonist pretty morally ambiguous as he started to admire, and get increasingly turned on by, Michael's work. He made for a nice comparison to Michael himself, who often appears to take sexual pleasure and artistic pride in killing. The whole 4-6 retcon is ridiculously controversial in the fandom. There's hundreds of fan fics all trying to tie the two continuities toegther, with varying success. I quite like having separate timelines, because I do enjoy the Thorn story, but it is detrimental to the other movies. Regarding it as an alternate universe is the best option IMO. I think the Mark of Thorn series is partially about paying tribute to the retconned movies and their fans. Also, Daniel Farrands, who wrote H6, is involved in the plotting of Mark of Thorn, which is nice because allegedly his original script was butchered in production. I loved Halloween 4 I thought it was the best in the series (next to the original) I loved the character of Jamie but part 5 was only bearable and part 6 was painfully bad. I also own all the Halloween movies, and am afraid of what Zombie will do with a second. I think they have Malcolm under contract still so they better not have killed Loomis off. A human Michel Myers makes him less scary please no more insight into his abused childhood. He was supposed to have normal loving parents not abusive drunks. I also hated how a lot of characters were inserted just to bring up the body count. I agree that humanizing Michael Myers makes him less scary and shows very poor understanding of the character. He's not Jason Voorhees! (Who I also love, btw!) That said, going with the abuse storyline, I wish they'd taken a more intelligent approach and shown how his parents' treatment of him actually influenced his adult behaviour. I'm not sure getting called a fag by your stepdad quite turns you into a sadistic serial killer of Michael's calibre. I think it would have been more interesting if his parents had appeared normal and loving, but been psychologically abusive behind closed doors for no apparant reason. Instead of the unimaginative trailer trash we got.
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Post by Malsad on Jan 29, 2009 15:14:38 GMT -5
ARMY of Darkness (and any thing else with Bruce) Eastern promises The departed Lucky # Sleven Smokin Aces Equilibrium (with pre batman christian bale) the number 23 Punisher WarZone just to name a few
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