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Post by Kara on Nov 7, 2008 21:50:01 GMT -5
LMAO...I thought elektra was good :/
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Post by faithnspike on Nov 13, 2008 19:47:20 GMT -5
I love Elektra, best character ever. The movie had its problems but I still love it because it is as close as we will get to A) a live action look at Elektra B) a decent superheroin. It was 100000000x better then catwomen
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Post by watcher on Nov 13, 2008 23:19:54 GMT -5
Supergirl pwns all others... She needs a movie. I'd watch it and it would be amazing. There was a Supergirl movie in the 80s, but it's horrible and campy...it's almost painful to watch to be honest.
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Post by cyclo on Nov 22, 2008 17:02:13 GMT -5
Like it was already said, its not really that superhero movies are sexist, its that most of them are based on characters created decades ago and aimed at a largely male audience. There are lots of female superhero's that are pretty cool, but they aren't as popular and wont make as much money so they generally get crappy treatments, like with elektra or catwoman.
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Post by cosmosmallbottom on Nov 26, 2008 15:27:51 GMT -5
your all forgetting TANKGIRL! that was fun but under-rated movie, gangster kangaroos are the fuggin bomb!!!
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Post by darkdahlia on Nov 26, 2008 15:42:00 GMT -5
well I'm talking about just MAKING a female super hero for crying out loud. It's not that diffuclt and we've got to start somewhere right??
I wondered where this thread went lol
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Post by commandercool on Nov 29, 2008 20:38:19 GMT -5
I absolutely loved Batwoman in "52." No idea what she's like in her own series, but if they made a movie based on what she was like in 52 that'd be brilliant. I really enjoyed Renee Montoya as The Question in 52. She could probably stand up in her own movie pretty well.
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Post by edge450 on Nov 30, 2008 8:36:53 GMT -5
Well if Runaways is getting this movie there'll be some great strong female characters. Including an 11 yr old with super strength!
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Post by deathisyourgift on Feb 8, 2009 2:14:04 GMT -5
There is a lot to complain about with this topic, because strong females are usually evil in mass media. The movie biz is pretty specific with their interpretation of a woman being "strong", and it usually involves being a vixen, as someone else pointed out, or being evil. In either case, I've found that these women are ALWAYS seen in a sexual light. They are hot babes who definitely have kissing and/or sex scenes in their stories. IT's annoying. There are PLENTY of female super heroes!! For one, there's Wonder Woman, which was recently attempted by Joss, and that failed probably because Wonder Woman herself has a pretty crappy story. She really isn't that exciting of a super heroine. My personal fave is Power Girl. She is Superman's cousin and only other surviving Kryptonian. She's been through a lot of origin revisions, and would be a really great lead in a movie. She is a pretty strong willed woman with a strong body to back it up. When I say that, I mean that she is friggin ripped. She has the same strength as Superman, and is very empowered. My only complaint is that, for whatever reason the comic artists decided that they couldn't have such a strong woman without giving her ginormous boobs. So yeah, Power Girl is semi-feminist, with size DD bra cups. To further rub it in our faces, her uniform is a white, spandex, unitard with a CLEAVAGE WINDOW..but I love her anyways. I could go on about this forever, but my point is that Power Girl would make a brilliant movie hero if treated with the same respect as Batman, Spider Man, etc. that director's seem to forget when dealing with the female colleagues of these big names in super hero biz. Other AWESOME and NOTEABLE female super heroes: Scarlett Witch Oracle(former BatGirl) Black Canary Power-Girl Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Girl
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Post by Saturn 5 on Feb 8, 2009 6:33:38 GMT -5
Are superheroines inherently sexist? I mean look at the ridiculously voluptuous figures the artists give them and the outfits they have to wear? Although admittedly male superheroes all look like Chippendales too. Also if you ever watch the old Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series she's always being tied up or brainwashed or knocked out. So same as it ever was
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Post by BuffyFanOne on Feb 13, 2009 12:01:10 GMT -5
i kinda liked elektra too. i own it what about watchmen?
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Post by Spiked on Feb 13, 2009 15:10:49 GMT -5
Laurie is really annoying! Sorry, I had to say it. But, on a more on-topic note, even though it is nice that they're making a superhero movie with a female hero in it (even though she comes across as a bit of a ditz in the graphic novel), they did completely sexify her outfit for the movie, which isn't a good sign. As for the actual topic of the thread, I don't really think superhero movies are sexist...I just think that, minus Wonder Woman, all of the really popular superheroes happen to be males. If they did decide to make a movie about a less popular, but still interesting female superhero like, oh, say, Zatanna, it might not sell as many tickets. And let's be honest, if someone wants to make a big-budget superhero movie, the chances are it isn't for the sake of art. Also, Runaways has a lot of really good female characters, and they're planning on making a movie based on it (which is guaranteed to be the epitome of awesomeness, especially considering the fact that Brian K. Vaughan is writing the script himself )
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Post by iamthewalrus on Feb 13, 2009 15:18:39 GMT -5
Also, Runaways has a lot of really good female characters, and they're planning on making a movie based on it (which is guaranteed to be the epitome of awesomeness, especially considering the fact that Brian K. Vaughan is writing the script himself ) !!!!! anyway, i don't think it's neccessarily that superhero movies are sexist, it's just that male superheroes are a lot more popular and well known like Spiked said, if a movie was made about a less known female superhero not many people will want to go and see it straight away. if we hear a spiderman movie is coming out we all think "oooh!" straight away. so to draw in the target audience for a movie about a female superhero they kind of have to slut her up a bit more so it gets peoples attention.
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Post by BlueJay on Feb 13, 2009 16:04:33 GMT -5
I thought Elektra was awesome. (I have the Director's cut)
But seriously... the reason why there ain't lots of superheroine movies is because the majority of comic readers (in the past) were male. Therefore, male superheroes dominate today's movies.
Now, if y'all wanna change that, get more girls (actually, anyone for that matter) interested in comics that feature superheroines. I can guarantee that if there is enough interest, there will be more superheroine movies in the future.
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 15, 2009 21:06:38 GMT -5
I'd love to see an Emma Frost film. Or just to have her appear in some X-Men movies. That women kicks ass! And talk about a killer story. You got enough going on there to fill several movies. Isn't she in the new X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE film? There's a woman in the trailer that seems to turn into diamonds, which only Emma can do, if I am not mistaken.
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Post by Spiked on Feb 15, 2009 21:07:25 GMT -5
I'd love to see an Emma Frost film. Or just to have her appear in some X-Men movies. That women kicks ass! And talk about a killer story. You got enough going on there to fill several movies. I actually think an Emma Frost movie would be a step backwards. She's an interesting character, yes, but she's much better known as the pushy queen of slut town.
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Post by deathisyourgift on Feb 16, 2009 0:41:17 GMT -5
Are superheroines inherently sexist? I mean look at the ridiculously voluptuous figures the artists give them and the outfits they have to wear? Although admittedly male superheroes all look like Chippendales too. Also if you ever watch the old Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series she's always being tied up or brainwashed or knocked out. So same as it ever was This is because these women were drawn by-predominantly-men. Also, because these men were drawing to-predominantly-male readers. From a psychological p.o.v., the only way for a male reader to accept a female having equivalent power to males, especially in such fantastic supply as super heroes, is for her to be visually pleasing, a.k.a. sexy. This is because of the fascination with the phallus, and who has control over it, etc etc, lots of psycho-bs. It is my opinion that these powerful women were drawn as naked as possible in order to give little comic fanboys something to wet-dream about. Sorry, but that's just what I think about it. As for Lynda Carter always being tied up etc in Wonder Woman, this is a big pet peeve of mine. Male heroes are beaten with respect, female heroes are beaten and humiliated. There are so many allusions to sexual assault, stripping of respect, and misogynous attitudes in the defeat of so many female super heroes. You can see it in any panel of a female super hero's fighting/battle story: her physical angles/position are always drawn in an off-set, "come-hither", sexual way, even when she is fighting and/or laying on the ground beaten--which leads to another wholly upsetting topic of forced submission. EXAMPLE: Remember Robin, Batman's faithful sidekick? Well, after the original Robin(Dick Grayson) left Batman and became Nightwing, his successors included Jason Todd(became a vigilante after a dimension slip), Tim Drake(died fighting Earth-2 Superboy), and Stephanie Brown, who was Tim Drake's girlfriend. When Tim Drake died, his mortality was honored and respected, with images of his body left in shadow, and without definition. His death was also shown in a heroic light. When Stephanie Brown took over, she was eventually captured by Black Mask. He tortured her with a power drill(misogynous and brutally disturbing) and died shortly after. In the panel depicting this event, her body was always shown in angles that looked eerily similar to someone lying waiting in bed, again the "come-hither" stance. So even in death, we are told, by the way she is drawn, that this woman is not to be held in the same respect as her male counterparts, because she is sexy and must always been seen in that light. There is further controversy over this female heroine's death, about how she is never mentioned again, and does not have a little shrine in the Bat Cave like Tim Drake does. This is part of an overwhelmingly disturbing use of female characters in comics as "plot-movers" for their male counterparts. In other words, the female character is used solely for the purpose of changing/initiating the plot of a male character, rather than for the purposes of her own plots. More on this can be found here: Wome In RefrigeratorsThis is a huge topic with lots of controversy, and I for one feel quite passionate about it, as a female comic enthusiast who would LOVE to see some female-driven comics that have meaning (by that I mean NOT BETTY AND VERONICA or those stupid Betty Page comics). I have even gone so far as to create my own comic about an aging female super hero, dealing with ageism, sexism, and the natural flow of life. I did this because, in my own experience, the comic world at large is missing some really strong, female-driven stories that are action packed, thoughtful, and well written. :end-rant: Thank goodness we have Buffy -Jen
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Post by Saturn 5 on Feb 16, 2009 3:19:04 GMT -5
In fairness Buffy and Joss's creations generally are always held up to to be these great feminist icons but I'm only up to Go Fish in my rewatch and Buffy has already been sexually assaulted 7 times! Not to mention all the horrible stuff that happened Gabby and Xena on a regular basis
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 17, 2009 11:44:56 GMT -5
I think Blade Trinity is a good example of a film being so unsexist it's sexist. The added character Abigail Whistler looks ridiculous fighting vampires alongside Blade, sorry girls but it's true. It doesn't matter that she's buff as hell (which she is), it still looks stupid. I don't think she even takes a punch in the whole film, cause she's a tough woman!
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 17, 2009 11:52:31 GMT -5
I think Blade Trinity is a good example of a film being so unsexist it's sexist. The added character Abigail Whistler looks ridiculous fighting vampires alongside Blade, sorry girls but it's true. It doesn't matter that she's buff as hell (which she is), it still looks stupid. I don't think she even takes a punch in the whole film, cause she's a tough woman! Not sure of you meant it, but that sounded sexist. Like you could accept a strong male fighter but not a chick. But since you're a Buffy fan, I doubt that's what you meant. Did you mean that they're trying too hard to be unsexist and creates a too strong female character or that she simply looks out of place?
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