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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Sept 29, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5
That film looks really good, nice trailer. I totally forgot I started this thread shame on me
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Post by Angel Beast on Sept 29, 2009 19:20:59 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority of not liking this. I'm probably not going to see this.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Sept 30, 2009 10:11:32 GMT -5
I'm actually really surprised at how cool the trailer looks. They're a lot of references to the past A Nightmare on Elm Street films. I'm not a fan of his new burns though, or voice. Yes it is more realistic but... I don't know.
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Post by glorylover on Oct 1, 2009 13:29:56 GMT -5
I doubt I'll see this, I think the should've left the series alone and though the trailer looks good, trailers are deceptive....
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Post by Paul on Oct 4, 2009 19:53:07 GMT -5
Didn't see this thread or I woulda commented sooner. I'm really looking to this movie and I think the trailer looks great. The Friday remake was brilliant and I trust these guys to do Freddy justice as well. They seem to really understand these characters; Jason's characterization was perfect.
As for the various controversies... remakes don't sully the originals so get over it. Freddy's burns look great, really realistic and scary, which is what matters. Old Freddy's make-up always looked really rubbery and fake, especially in the later films when they stopping hiding him in shadows. And replacing Robert Englund... again, get over it. It's a remake so there's nothing wrong with casting a new actor. Besides, it's not like Englund always gave a flawless performace... Freddy's Dead anyone? I'm interested to see what Haley does with the part; he actually comes across very sympathetic in the opening of that trailer, which is a new approach to the character. His voice does sound a little weird, but it's only one line, we'll see how it goes. I'm really glad they're getting rid of the silly humour. Freddy was scariest in the first two movies when he was darker and more serious, after Dream Warriors the character deteriorated to the point where I couldn't watch him anymore (I literally have to fastforward his scenes in Freddy's Dead because they're so shite). Taking him back to his sadistic, paedophillic roots is a good thing.
My main concern with the movie is Nancy. I love the original Nancy Thompson, she's one of the strongest horror characters ever. For me, the original Nightmare is far more about Nancy and her arc than it is about Freddy. I hope they do her justice.
So... what's everyone's favourite Nightmare movies in order? Mine are:
A Nightmare on Elm Street (classic) > Dream Warriors (great follow-up to the original) > Freddy's Revenge (weird but underrated) > A New Nightmare (great until the end) > The Dream Master (enjoyable fluff, cool heroine) > Freddy vs. Jason (great fun, perfect crossover) > Dream Child (boring and OTT) > Freddy's Dead (downright embarrassing)
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Post by Wyndam on Oct 4, 2009 21:42:18 GMT -5
This would be my order: 1. A Nightmare on Elm Street 2. New Nightmare 3. Dream Warrior's 4. Freddy vs. Jason 5. The Dream Master 6. Dream Child 7. Freddy's Revenge 8. Freddy's Dead
Choices 1-5 I consider all great movies, which is a testament to how great this series is. Choices 6-8 are fun, but forgettable.
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Post by Paul on Oct 5, 2009 0:04:17 GMT -5
Any reason Freddy's Revenge is so low? I know it's one of the least popular entries, but it's actually one of my favourites. I have kind of a love/hate relationship with it though, because of the awkward (and supposedly unintentional) subtext surrounding Jesse's repressed homosexuality. Showing Freddy physically manifesting in Jesse and committing evil acts as a metaphor for sexual confusion is fairly offensive. The director claims that wasn't his intention, but there's too many coincidences for it to be accidental. Jesse kills the peope who remind him of his homosexuality: his gay coach and male best friend. And what is it that purges Freddy from his body? The love of a good woman. Dunno, it all smells a little "man shall not lie with man" to me. Even so, I actually like that the film has a subtext, intentional or otherwise. Most of the post- Dream Warriors films are empty spectacle, so Freddy's Revenge is refreshingly deep to look back on. The story is quite interesting to study, even if it doesn't mesh with my personal beliefs and morals. It's also one of the scariest films in the series, possibly the scariest, with scenes like the school bus nightmare, Jesse hovering over his sister's bed wearing Freddy's glove, and Grady's death. Plus, the pool party massacre is just pure, epic horror; one of my favourite scenes in the whole series. With Dream Warriors, the series became too reliant on special effects and forgot how to be scary... Freddy's Revenge is visually weird and fantastic but also very visceral and grounded; all of the kills are by Freddy's claws, there's no over-the-top cartoon deaths. Freddy is really gross and sadistic too, rather than a lovable anti-villain, with some of his best "classic" make-up. I think the film suffers from Halloween II syndrome... it followed the near-perfect original and people were inevitable disappointed. But when you re-examine it with the persespective of the other sequels, it's actually pretty good. I re-watched it recently and was surprised by how much I enjoyed it.
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Post by glorylover on Oct 6, 2009 16:49:43 GMT -5
I have a hard time listening to the theories on Nightmare II and its homosexual overtones. I think it is merely an idea that somone thought too hard about. In my mind the film is what it is and I take it and enjoy for that reason, I don't see anything wrong with the film, though it has been noted that the lead actor is in fact a homosexual in real life and some of that may have transpired on screen, most likely unintentionally.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Oct 6, 2009 16:57:02 GMT -5
I always felt Jesse was gay... could just have been because the actor was ? I love them all but my order would go like this:
1. Dream Warrior's 2. The Dream Master 3. Dream Child 4. A Nightmare on Elm Street 5. New Nightmare 6. Freddy's Revenge 7. Freddy's Dead 8. Freddy vs. Jason
I hate that "John Doe" was killed so soon in Freddy's Dead and that we where left with the rest of them...
My top Characters are: 1.Kristen Parker (both) 3-4 2.Nancy Thompson 1-3-7 3.Alice Johnson 4-5 4.Joey Crusel 3-4 5.'John Doe' 6
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Post by Paul on Oct 6, 2009 22:51:04 GMT -5
I have a hard time listening to the theories on Nightmare II and its homosexual overtones. I think it is merely an idea that somone thought too hard about. Jesse/Freddy ties his coach (who just happens to be a gay S&M enthusiast) up in the showers - naked - and whips him with towels. That's pretty gay. Whether or not it was intentional, the homosexual subtext is definitely there in both obvious and subtle ways. 1. Dream Warrior's 2. The Dream Master 3. Dream Child 4. A Nightmare on Elm Street 5. New Nightmare 6. Freddy's Revenge 7. Freddy's Dead 8. Freddy vs. Jason Dream Child over the original???!!! I don't get Dream Child... I've tried to like it but it's just boring. Everything is so over-the-top and ridiculous, especially the death scenes. I hate that "John Doe" was killed so soon in Freddy's Dead and that we where left with the rest of them... I actually really like Maggie in Freddy's Dead, even though I hate the movie itself. The actress is great. John never stood out to me much, he was just a plot device to get Maggie to Springwood. Maggie's a villain now in the comics, kind of a female version of Freddy. It's pretty cool.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Oct 7, 2009 1:57:07 GMT -5
Really?, that's cool... I tried to pick up the TPBs of the FT13 and NOES comics but could never find them around.
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Post by Eric on Oct 7, 2009 2:06:41 GMT -5
I'm not excited about this. Rob Zombie ruined Halloween with his remake. Michael Bay ruined Friday the Thirteenth with his remake. Now A Nightmare on Elm Street is being directed by some guy who has never done anything but music videos and being produced by Bay? I'm not going to totally condemn this movie (as it's not even out yet), but I'm not going to bother getting my hopes up.
As for the original series, I think I'd rank them:
1.) New Nightmare 2.) A Nightmare on Elm Street 3.) Dream Warriors 4.) Freddy's Revenge 5.) The Dream Master 6.) The Dream Child 7.) Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2009 11:48:42 GMT -5
Really?, that's cool... I tried to pick up the TPBs of the FT13 and NOES comics but could never find them around. She appears in the miniseries Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash: The Nightmare Warriors. It's really cool, a bunch of Nightmare and Friday survivors team up with Ash from Evil Dead to take Freddy and Jason down. Oh, and Freddy becomes President, it's totally insane but very fun. I don't collect the regular comics (although I have a random Friday TPB), but the FvJvA series are worth getting if you enjoyed Freddy vs. Jason. Michael Bay ruined Friday the Thirteenth with his remake. How did Michael Bay's remake ruin Friday the 13th? That's one of the best entries in the series, it's really loyal to the tone of the early movies without being a straight re-hash. I loved it.
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Post by Wyndam on Oct 7, 2009 12:42:00 GMT -5
I read the first Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash mini-series and I thought it was pretty decent, especially since it used elements from the movie script that was awesome. I didn't know there were more, I will have to check them out. Michael Bay ruined Friday the Thirteenth with his remake. How did Michael Bay's remake ruin Friday the 13th? That's one of the best entries in the series, it's really loyal to the tone of the early movies without being a straight re-hash. I loved it. I agree. It had all the elements that make a good Friday movie, which isn't really a hard thing to do, but really easy to screw up. I hope they keep making them.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2009 14:56:30 GMT -5
I read the first Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash mini-series and I thought it was pretty decent, especially since it used elements from the movie script that was awesome. I didn't know there were more, I will have to check them out. Yeah, the first FvJvA was pretty much just an adaptation of the movie script. I definitely consider it and Nightmare Warriors canon because they're just natural continuations of the film series. Especially now that the original continuities have been abandoned for remakes. Nightmare Warriors is only good if you're a fanboy. The fun comes from seeing Tina Shepard teaming up with Alice Johnson, or Ash arguing with Tommy Jarvis, that kind of thing. It's fanservice, so if you know the characters you'll get something out of it. It has it's own Wikipedia article (the bulk of which I wrote myself ): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_vs._Jason_vs._Ash:_The_Nightmare_Warriors
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Oct 7, 2009 15:01:53 GMT -5
Paul, you made my year... I love these characters so much I have to pick it up in the next few days.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2009 15:10:57 GMT -5
Paul, you made my year... I love these characters so much I have to pick it up in the next few days. No problem, glad you think it sounds cool. Only four of six issues have been released so far, but there'll be a TPB eventually.
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Post by Eric on Oct 7, 2009 16:33:58 GMT -5
I guess I'm alone in the not liking the new Friday the 13th. It was just incredibly unforgettable to me and seemed like every other slasher that's popped up in recent years. Maybe I exaggerated a little in saying Bay ruined, but I just expected a little bit more.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2009 17:05:31 GMT -5
I guess I'm alone in the not liking the new Friday the 13th. It was just incredibly unforgettable to me and seemed like every other slasher that's popped up in recent years. Maybe I exaggerated a little in saying Bay ruined, but I just expected a little bit more. But the Friday movies have always been clichéd and forgettable (unless you're a harcore fanboy). The makers of the original Friday have admitted they were just trying to rip-off Halloween, so if you're expecting originality from the series, you're gonna be disappointed. I love Friday the 13th for what it is: shameless, clichéd crap. ;D (However, the original Nightmare on Elm Street was NOT crap, so this remake has a much tougher job. It's difficult to remake a near-perfect movie, as Rob Zombie's Halloween proved.)
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Post by Eric on Oct 7, 2009 18:00:13 GMT -5
I guess I'm alone in the not liking the new Friday the 13th. It was just incredibly unforgettable to me and seemed like every other slasher that's popped up in recent years. Maybe I exaggerated a little in saying Bay ruined, but I just expected a little bit more. But the Friday movies have always been clichéd and forgettable (unless you're a harcore fanboy). The makers of the original Friday have admitted they were just trying to rip-off Halloween, so if you're expecting originality from the series, you're gonna be disappointed. I love Friday the 13th for what it is: shameless, clichéd crap. ;D (However, the original Nightmare on Elm Street was NOT crap, so this remake has a much tougher job. It's difficult to remake a near-perfect movie, as Rob Zombie's Halloween proved.) I thought the older ones were kind of funny, but the new one seemed to take itself really seriously. Anyways, I think this is going off topic a bit too much...
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