BenTaylor3907
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Mar 28, 2009 19:16:22 GMT -5
Connor is overreacting way too much. Its getting on my nerves.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 28, 2009 19:37:10 GMT -5
I think the Connor characterization in Aftermath feels like a regression from how much he'd grown in After the Fall. We saw a glimpse of this incredibly sweet and mature Connor in S5's Origin and Lynch built on this to give us a heroic Connor.
This anger Connor has towards Gwen is being expressed in a weird way because she's a love interest for him. He shouldn't be treating her this way, it reminds me of how he viewed Angel when he first came back from Quortoth.
I think where this really crosses the line is that Connor seems to be physically threatening Gwen if she doesn't leave him alone. Which I just don't seem him doing.
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The Night Lord
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 28, 2009 19:39:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm lost there as to why he is saying stuff like that and acting like a tool...well, worse than he was in Season 4. He's done a complete 180 here in Aftermath
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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas on Mar 28, 2009 23:47:28 GMT -5
I don't necessarily see him physically threatening her, just telling her he's gonna toss her ass out which isn't a bad thing. She's being a whiny little follower and she's stalking him (yes, out of character) and he needs space.
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Post by Nina on Mar 29, 2009 5:32:26 GMT -5
The Connor after 'Home' is not a complete new person, he is still Connor. Only way more healthy. Every character had his or her whiny/bitchy moments and Connor is an emotional mess. Now the world turns normal again and he is not normal anymore, he has a realistic life that isn't real and an unrealistic life that is real. He has a stalking ex who betrayed him in the way he was betrayed so many times. He snapped, I don't see it as real regression and more as a sign that this character is still Connor and still has his flaws. I really enjoyed the Connor we saw in season 5 and ATF. But he was quite a Gary Stu and if he would have forgave Gwen without any problem he would be the ultimate Stu. Connor is a difficult character, he has all the postive sides of a vampire and all the positive things of a human. He likes being a superhero, is a great warrior, he is smart and he doesn't have the weight of the world on his shoulders because he is in Angel's squad. It's the perfect character, so Connor's personality needs to be flawed to make him a realistic and good character. The Buffyverse has a history of making people a bit too perfect. I'm happy that Connor doesn't go that way because it would be a shame to see another great character end up as a Stu.
So was Connor nice? No, but I didn't expect him to be because he is a 19 years old who is emotional damaged and let's be honest ... it's not a whole new Connor we saw, just a glimps of the Connor we met in season 4.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 30, 2009 14:36:22 GMT -5
So was Connor nice? No, but I didn't expect him to be because he is a 19 years old who is emotional damaged and let's be honest ... it's not a whole new Connor we saw, just a glimps of the Connor we met in season 4. But the point is that he's regressed from his healthier mindset in S5 and After the Fall. As you say, what we're seeing is reminiscent of his attitudes in Season 3 and 4. That's regression because Connor had acquired new methods of coping with his life. And if Connor can be mindsmacked with all his memories from infancy to adulthood in First Night and still manage to deal and be a responsible adult, it stretches the limits of credulity that he'd regress so fully in light of Gwen's betrayal when she also sacrificed her life to save his. He's acting like Gwen betrayed him and tried to kill him, instead of betraying him to try to save the world and ending up giving her life for his own.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Mar 30, 2009 15:25:31 GMT -5
I think Connor was absolutely correct in his initial mistrust of Gwen. It would be weird to have him say all is forgiven immediately. These things take time.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 30, 2009 15:46:49 GMT -5
I think everyone in the Angelverse should wear special t-shirts. On the front each one should say: I HAVE BEEN BETRAYED BY:
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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas on Mar 31, 2009 14:45:58 GMT -5
I agree that Connor wasright in his anger and lack of trust towards Gwen because with as much as Connor has been through, the girl he loved betrayed him. the kid has had to deal with a whole lot his entire life: the son of two vampires, growing up in a hell dimension, another girl he fell for turning out to be evil, his memories snatched away, having gone to yet ANOTHER hell dimension and then DYING. do we not remember Connor trying to kill multiple people AND himself at the end of season 4?
Other than Gwen being whiney and stalk-y which is not her, Connors reaction is the only part I like about Aftermath.
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Post by narflet on Apr 1, 2009 10:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 1, 2009 12:52:38 GMT -5
The cover with Angel being choked is the only decent one. The other sucks harder than a vaccum.
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Post by patxshand on Apr 1, 2009 13:57:17 GMT -5
The cover with Angel being choked is the only decent one. The other sucks harder than a vaccum. I think the opposite. I don't think the Runge one sucks, but it's by far my least favorite of his Aftermath covers. I love the Gabe Rodriguez one, though. I wish he was doing interiors, he's one of the best comic artists working today.
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Post by dragonweaver on Apr 1, 2009 15:23:12 GMT -5
I think Connor was absolutely correct in his initial mistrust of Gwen. It would be weird to have him say all is forgiven immediately. These things take time. I agree with this, but there is a difference between being defensive & being rude. Connor doesn't have to take Gwen back, or even like her, but would it kill him to dial down the hate. Screaming at Gwen & calling her a stalker doesn't make him look good, it makes him look childish. He could have been civil, accepted her help and kept her at a distance all at the same time. Allowing her to help doesn't mean he or anyone else has to tell her their plans and it gives her a chance to earn back his trust.
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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 2, 2009 15:02:55 GMT -5
Well he is only 19. I can understand the fact that he hasnt completely matured when it comes to women and being betrayed.
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Post by The Night Lord on Apr 3, 2009 2:49:54 GMT -5
Okay, so Connor has been betrayed and he's had a hard life, etc, etc, etc. Still, I find there should be no reason for him to be acting like a twat. Yeah, don't take Gwen back, that's fine, but he shouldn't be acting like a jerk towards her, accusing her of stalking him and all
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Apr 3, 2009 3:12:30 GMT -5
So what if he is acting childish towards her, thats what you get... things could be so much worse in her life, move on and get over Connor, have a bit of self-respect and move away and start off fresh... Why is she still hanging around? just because she died does not make things better... How and why did she die again ? lol (if you can't tell, I am not a big Gwen fan after her betrayal lol)
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 3, 2009 13:59:35 GMT -5
How and why did she die again? She sacrificed herself to save Connor's life. She got bit by a dragon. I understand why Gwen betrayed the gang, I would have done the same thing if I was in her position. If I couldn't touch anyone, and the person who was my first told be they can fix it, I'd jump over to their side anytime. It can also be said that Gwen probably did it for Connor, so they could actually be together. But anyways, I think both characters are just being OOC. Let's not forgot Gwen is in her late 20s, there is a level of weirdness there. Ugh, the way both are acting is just making my head hurt.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Apr 4, 2009 1:30:34 GMT -5
I think Gwen probably agreed to tail Connor long before she fell for him. She was a double agent pretty quickly, didn't expect to fall in love, but did.
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Post by Malsad on Apr 9, 2009 15:19:35 GMT -5
I dont see how some people can say that 19 was worse than 18, i have only had the chance to read 19 last week, and the story and characters are already better and more accurate already
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Apr 9, 2009 17:19:50 GMT -5
I dont see how some people can say that 19 was worse than 18, i have only had the chance to read 19 last week, and the story and characters are already better and more accurate already That's good... I had only looked at the art from #19
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