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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 10, 2009 16:17:04 GMT -5
A NEW WORLD The Good; Anthony Starke who plays Tyke also played Ezra in the TV version of the Magnificent Seven, my favourite character, very Doc Holliday (he's also Sanchez's assistant Truman Lodge in the Bond film Licence to Kill). Love the way you can see Gunn and Groo just automatically reacting to Connors attack without a moments hesitation. Love Myrna too. The Bad; Connor jumping on the bus looks very fake. The shootout with the police looks like it belongs in the Matrix films as indeed does the initial confrontation at the Hyperion. Also, where is the body of the beastie that proceeded Connor through the rift? Holtz's makeup also isn't too good. CC's blood seems almost translucent which it wouldn't be unless that's a side effect of her half demon side. You can see Angel's shoulder reflected in the door when he tries to follow Conor outside Best line: Tyke; (pointing to where his ear used to be) "You'll have to speak up because I DON'T HEAR SO GOOD!" just beating; Fred; "Poor Connor he must be so scared" Gunn; "Yeah he looked real scared when he was KICKING MY ASS!" (once again Gunn is AI's straight man) Jeez, how did they get away with that? Sunny dead in the bathtub with the needle in her arm. Such realistic depictions of death and suffering always more disturbing than demons and vampires. Connor cutting Tyke's ear off! Apocalypses: 5 Angel Cliches Inverting the Hollywood cliche; In disguise; 8 DB get's his shirt off; 12 Cordy's tatt; 10 Cheap Angel; 9 Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy: 5 Angel: 11 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 3 Fred; 2
Fang gang knocked out: Cordy and Groo Cordy: 12 Angel: 14 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 3 Groo; 1 Kills: none but Connor must be quite the boy to fight off Angel, Gunn and Groo!? Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons Angel; 39 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 7 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 10 vamps+ 11 demons. Groo; 1 demon Fred; 1 vamp Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2 Gunn; 1 Wes; 1
Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 8 Fred; 1 Characters killed: Sunny ODs. 47 Recurring characters killed; 8; Total number of Angel Investigations: 6, Angel, Cordy, Gunn, Fred, Lorne and Groo
Angel Investigations shot: Angel by the police in the motel shootout Angel: 12 Wes; 1 Packing heat; Wes; 6 Doyle; 1 Angel; 2 Gunn; 1
Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde Gunn; 1 Fred Fred; 1 Gunn Groo; 1Cordy
Kinky dinky: Tyke appears to be attempting to force Sunny to have sex with him in return for drugs. Connor is fascinated by a bra he finds at the squat. The Groo once spent 11 days standing stock still to avoid being mated with by a herd of Burrbeasts. He implies that he was a virgin before him and Cordy. Connor strips before Sunny and they kiss. Captain Subtext; Sunny warns him not to play 'teddy bear in the hole' with another of the residents. Know the face, different character; 4 Parking garages; 5, Guantanamo Bay; Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony Questions and observations; When does Connor reload his arm cannon, it has 3 tubes but he fires four shots? Note Wes keeps a couple of swords in the umbrella stand by his door. It's an interesting comparison between Groo and Riley, both love their sweethearts but realise they're not the ones for them so leave. However whilst Riley was pretty much agony to watch the Groo does it much more subtly and with dignity (maybe the writers learned their lesson?). The LAPD at the crime scene seem remarkably forthcoming to Gunn, maybe they're friends of Kate's? Connor intends to find Tyke from his scent, has he inherited his parents vamp senses? Angel says that Stephen isn't an Irish name, true but in Southern Ireland Boxing Day is also known as St Stephen's Day. Marks out of 10; 7/10, pretty good
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Post by Randi Giles on Dec 10, 2009 20:17:09 GMT -5
This really like this Angel episode all because of Connor and Sunny scenes. It kind of took a little break from the ugliness in the supernatural world and decided to show ugliness in the real world. I must say though that it's really not nice to compare Riley with Groo cause he rocks and Riley doesn't. LOL. I actually felt bad for Groo he was so adorable. I think it was the eyes.
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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 11, 2009 11:53:48 GMT -5
I think Groo is sort of the writers second attempt at Riley, funnier, more likeable, more honourable but still not enough to make him a regular. Nice to see him in the comics though
BENEDICTION
The Good; The return of Justine but this ep will always be remembered for the incredible scenes between Angel and Holtz. They strike you as a pair of weary emotional boxers slugging it out to the last. I especially like the moment where Angel rages at Holtz for stealing his son and Holtz points out that he kept Angel's son alive whilst Angel(us) killed his. The Bad; Angel just leaves a set of vamps lying on the floor of the club. Best line: Justine; "How did you survive?" Holtz; "My hatred kept us alive" HOOOOoooooooooo! also like; Fred; "He's survived an unspeakable hell dimension. Who hasn't? It doesn't mean you can leave him on the streets of LA" Jeez, how did they get away with that? Holtz forcing Justine to stab him with the icepick Apocalypses: 5 Angel Cliches Inverting the Hollywood cliche; In disguise; 8 DB get's his shirt off; 12 Cordy's tatt; 10 Cheap Angel; 9 Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy: 5 Angel: 11 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 3 Fred; 2
Fang gang knocked out: Cordy: 12 Angel: 14 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 3 Groo; 1 Kills: 2 vamps for Angel. 2 for Connor as well and we can add in the demon he killed in The Price Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 7 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 10 vamps+ 11 demons. Groo; 1 demon Fred; 1 vamp Connor; 2 vamps and one demon Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2 Gunn; 1 Wes; 1
Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 8 Fred; 1 Characters killed: 46 Recurring characters killed; 8; Total number of Angel Investigations: 6, Angel, Cordy, Gunn, Fred, Lorne and Groo
Angel Investigations shot: Angel: 12 Wes; 1 Packing heat; Wes; 6 Doyle; 1 Angel; 2 Gunn; 1
Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde Gunn; 1 Fred Fred; 1 Gunn Groo; 1Cordy
Kinky dinky: According to Fred's gizmo Connor is 'Hot'. Gunn dislikes the idea of tracking Angel's teenage son's 'emissions'. Captain Subtext; Groo and Lorne, their scene together very reminiscent of a scene in season 5 Buffy with Xander and Riley at the magic shop. But the Groo does it SOOOOO much better than Riley does "If she asks" Awwwwww! Know the face, different character; 4 Parking garages; 5, Guantanamo Bay; Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony Questions and observations; One thing I've noticed in working my way through Buffy season 6 and Angel season 3 is that I keep leaping ahead wanting to watch more and more Angel and not Buffy. Note that the PTB's decide to save Justine through CC's vision. Holtz is quite religious believing god gave him Connor. You genuinely get the impression that they do love each other. Interestingly Fred refers to 'being at the bottom of the ocean looking upwards'. Does Holtz go to hell? Is he an evil man? The only evil thing I can think off he does is slitting Wes' throat but that's Justine and we've no idea that he even knew about it. Marks out of 10; 8/10, an ep of great emotional depth and poignancy
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 11, 2009 22:49:59 GMT -5
Benediction and Tomorrow work so well together. And they set up the fourth season very nicely. Great ending to a great season of Angel.
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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 12, 2009 5:30:39 GMT -5
Personally rate season 4 as the best but 3 is good
TOMORROW
The Good; The ending is amazing, simultaneously heartrending and (literally) uplifting. Also love the touching Groo leaving scene and Fred's vamp impression. The Bad; The drive in film is Courage Under Fire which was brought out to little acclaim in 1996 so I'm not sure why it should be being shown again? How does CC drink the mockna and not stain her magnificent teeth? Best line: Lilah; "Mind if I join you?" Wes; "On many levels and with great intensity" Jeez, how did they get away with that? Connor cuts the head off Holtz's corpse. Wes tells Lilah post sex 'I wasn't even thinking of you when you were here', god, talk about the most heartless post-sex line EVER! And just for a second the mask slips and you can see the hurt in Lilah's eyes. Apocalypses: 5 Angel Cliches Inverting the Hollywood cliche; In disguise; 8 DB get's his shirt off; 12 Cordy's tatt; 10 Cheap Angel; 10 Angel thinks 50 cents is enough for a teenagers allowance. Even CC observes that he's 'tight with a buck'. Fang Gang in bondage: Angel chained and in a box Cordy: 5 Angel: 12 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 3 Fred; 2
Fang gang knocked out: Angel is tasered into unconsciousness Cordy: 12 Angel: 15 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 3 Groo; 1 Kills: Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 7 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 10 vamps+ 11 demons. Groo; 1 demon Fred; 1 vamp Connor; 2 vamps and 1 demon Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2 Gunn; 1 Wes; 1
Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 8 Fred; 1 Characters killed: 46 Recurring characters killed; 8; Total number of Angel Investigations: Byebye Groo who unfortunately we'll never see again on the show although he shall return in the comics. I heard one rumour that in season 5 Harmony would have a 'Naked Musclely Hunks' calender and Fred would look at it and recognise one of the models as the Groo. Byebye Angel who's taking a dip at the bottom of the ocean, byebye CC who's taking a break as a celestial being and byebye Lorne who's off to Vegas. This officially leaves AI as Gunn, Fred and Connor, back to the same number as in the first episode of the show. 3, Gunn, Fred, Connor
Angel Investigations shot: no but Angel tasered again, it seems to be a highly effective weapon against vamps. Angel: 11 Wes; 1 Packing heat; Wes; 6 Doyle; 1 Angel; 2 Gunn; 1
Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Lilah and Wes Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah Gunn; 1 Fred Fred; 1 Gunn Groo; 1Cordy
Kinky dinky: Lilah and Wes, once again Wes is violent as hell with Lilah yet this seems to turn her on and she ends up having sex with him. She seems intirgued to know what it's like to have your throat cut (one day she'll find out) Groo offers to rub CC's shlugtee which is actually Pylean for neck but that's not what she thinks he means. CC and Angel 'try out bedrooms' in the Hyperion. CC refuse to tell Connor the facts of life as Angel requests but one day she will graphically 'fill in the blanks for him'. Connor comments on CC's beauty. Captain Subtext; Lilah thinks Fred is cute. Know the face, different character; 4 Parking garages; 5, Guantanamo Bay; Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony Questions and observations; How does Lorne get on a commercial flight even with his fedora disguise? Connor refers to Holtz's home as having white cliffs which implies he's from Dover. Sorry to say goodbye to the Groo, your heart breaks for him but he does the honourable thing with dignity like the hero he is. CC looks at a season 1 pic of her, Wes and Angel demonstrating just how much things have changed (not least her hair). The scene where CC talks to an image of herself is very reminiscent of the scene in Xena where Aphrodite chats to her own reflection in the mirror. Connor refers to Angel as the Prince of Lies who Angel will encounter in 'Why we fight' (also underwater). Note when CC and Angel are finally getting together she's dyed her hair blonde, just like Darla and Buffy. Well, Joss and co not exactly scared to shake things up and leave us with a hell of a cliffhanger! Hugely powerful ep, so many aspects to praise. Marks out of 10; 9/10
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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 13, 2009 7:08:08 GMT -5
DEEP DOWN
The Good; Wonderful to see Fred and Gunn as Connor's surrogate parents during the summer, would love to see that in the comics sometime. Love Fred's attempts to speak 'street' especially Gunn's little look when she says 'Word'. The Bad; The vamp Fred and Gunn confront gives them the info they want then tries to attack them anyway, please! Best line: Gunn; "2 coats of polish" Jeez, how did they get away with that? Fred is pretty vicious with the old taser! Also Linwood get's 'headhunted' WR&H style Apocalypses: 5 Angel Cliches Inverting the Hollywood cliche; In disguise; 8 DB get's his shirt off; 12 Cordy's tatt; 10 Cheap Angel; Fang Gang in bondage: Connor tied to the chair Cordy: 5 Angel: 12 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 3 Fred; 2 Connor; 1
Fang gang knocked out: Connor and Fred Cordy: 12 Angel: 15 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 3 Groo; 1 Fred; 1 Connor; 1 Kills: 2 vamps for Fred, 1 for Gunn and 2 for Connor Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 7 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 11 vamps+ 11 demons. Groo; 1 demon Fred; 3 vamps Connor; 4 vamps and 1 demon Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2 Gunn; 1 Wes; 1
Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 8 Fred; 1 Characters killed: 46 Recurring characters killed; 8; Total number of Angel Investigations:3 Gunn, Angel and Fred
Angel Investigations shot: Angel: 11 Wes; 1 Packing heat; Wes; 6 Doyle; 1 Angel; 2 Gunn; 1
Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Lilah and Wes Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah plus possibly Justine? Gunn; 1 Fred Fred; 1 Gunn Groo; 1Cordy
Kinky dinky: Lilah appears to wear no bra. Wes keeps Justine as a slave girl, do they have sex? Lorne says give fluffy enough love, Fred wonders does he mean Gunn or some part of her? Captain Subtext; Fred flatters Gunn that he's the Alpha male of AI. Despite being his slave Wes won't make Justine feed Angel from herself, he knows that would cross the line after losing her sister. When Angel get's back Gunn tells Connor to stand by for his spanking. Connor warns the gang that Angel will turn on them which he will. Goodbye to Justine who will change her identity, move to San Francisco and embrace her inner lesbian. Know the face, different character; 4 Parking garages; 5, Guantanamo Bay; Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony What the fanficcers thought; Read a pretty good one once where Justine discovers she's pregnant with Wes' twins and goes off to rebuild her life. Questions and observations; Hell of a long teaser, if you hadn't been following the series you'd be utterly lost. Note that whilst Wes is back at the AI dinner table there's no Groo? AI are almost broke, either Angel must subsidise the agency with his private income or they must spend all their time looking for Angel and CC. Vamps can exist indefinitely without blood but they go mad with hunger. Lilah mentions Mr Subarto, did she actually meet a senior partner? Do Buffy and co know about Angel's disappearance? Oddly this summer is probably the best time Connor ever has, he has 2 loving parents and a fairly normal life (as normal as it can be working for AI) Marks out of 10; 7/10
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 13, 2009 17:59:49 GMT -5
Deep Down has one of THE best speeches Angel ever gives - the one to Connor at the end of the episode. Gives me chills every time.
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