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Post by DorothyFan1 on Mar 21, 2010 20:12:32 GMT -5
As for the images in Scott Allie's Twitter page. The woman in the back has to be Amy because her hair is brown. However there is a computer panel that Dawn is looking at and Willow is directly behind her. She has her hand to her mouth looking shocked at something. I could be wrong about that but the woman sitting in the chair in front of Willow can't be Amy. Her hair is darker than Amy's so it's Dawn. Look again. Top left panel: Dawn's looking at a screen or something, and Amy is behind her. Bottom right panel: That's Xander and a shocked-looking Willow. Alright so maybe I got the ordering mixed up. But Dawn is in that picture. And she's looking at a computer. So I did get that part right. I'm actually curious to know why Amy is in that photo. Rather odd considering Dawn tells Xander they can't trust Amy, Warren and the General in issue 33.
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Post by Shane on Mar 22, 2010 11:50:08 GMT -5
Got caught up with the comics spoiler-free (Twilight reveal was awesome! ) and just had to check out the fan reactions. Whew! Those are some pretty wild and interesting theories. Enough to keep my head spinning till the end of the arc, I think. Looking forward to the history of the vampire/slayer dynamic. Looks like it's going to be a real game-changer. Hope they decide to do more with it than just use it to explain Angel's motives. Anyway, it seems there are some images floating about. I'll leave before I get spoiled...
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 22, 2010 12:22:38 GMT -5
Welcome Shane,
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 27, 2010 8:46:07 GMT -5
Okay, so Twilight is Angel and now it seems weird, as Angel!Twilight feels different from masked!Twilight. Also, it seems like the sun is out, so why didn't Angel burning up? Unless his invulnerability extends to sunlight. Oh and please don't tell me that the whole reason Angel became Twilight was so he could finally have a baby with Buffy. That was the idea I was getting at the end of the issue, cuz if that's the case, then that would REALLY suck
And one final thing: while Angel has been running around as Twilight, what the hell has the AI team been doing? Sitting on their butts and going 'Where's Angel?' 'Oh, he'll show up later' one year later 'Where's Angel?' 'Dunno. Think we should look for him?' Honestly, what have Spike, Connor, Gunn and Illyria been doing while Angel is Twilight? Hope it gets answered soon
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 27, 2010 9:08:52 GMT -5
I asked Scott Allie whether Connor would be addressed in season 8 and that's pretty much a nope. Shame, it'll probably be really distracting for me with Angel around. The AI crew has mostly disbanded but I doubt Connor would just walk away at any point.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Mar 27, 2010 12:45:18 GMT -5
I asked Scott Allie whether Connor would be addressed in season 8 and that's pretty much a nope. Shame, it'll probably be really distracting for me with Angel around. The AI crew has mostly disbanded but I doubt Connor would just walk away at any point. You should have asked him whether Angel was responsible for what happened in Wolves At the Gate. If he wasn't...then it would be interesting to know who was bankrolling that operation. If the real Big Bad was behind Wolves at the Gate it would have been nice to learn if Angel had no idea what was going on.
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Post by Shane on Apr 4, 2010 12:26:57 GMT -5
Thanks! -------------------- The Connor thing may be due to licensing issues. Or maybe Joss just doesn't want to use characters he didn't create specifically for Buffy, especially if he doesn't need them to develop the plot.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 13, 2010 17:31:21 GMT -5
According to THIS, #33 was ranked 33rd in terms of March sales. About 46500 copies moved. We're still on a steady 2% decline. Boo to that.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Apr 13, 2010 18:31:37 GMT -5
According to THIS, #33 was ranked 33rd in terms of March sales. About 46500 copies moved. We're still on a steady 2% decline. Boo to that. Yeah, but "Retreat" came in at #2 on the trade paperback chart. No new readers are picking up the monthly comic anymore. You can't just jump into the story at this point and have it make any sense. New readers are all following in the trade paperbacks now. The same steady decline is going to happen with any book that has a single mega-arc spread out over such a long time.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 13, 2010 18:59:49 GMT -5
I understand that. But I was booing the fact that we've been on a steady 2% decline each month. S'all I'm saying.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Apr 13, 2010 19:24:30 GMT -5
There was actually an uptick for #32, wasn't there? For the first time since WatG, I think.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 13, 2010 19:27:30 GMT -5
Well, that's nice to know, but it's down again this month.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 20, 2010 3:42:44 GMT -5
I've just finished issue 31-33 (waiting for 34-35 in the mail).
I don't get what people mean when they say that Buffy has lost all morals just by sleeping with Twangel. Maybe I'll see what the problem is in issue 34 or 35, but for now, I see a lonely stressed out girl who has been played by Twangel for the last year, and now is standing in front of him, with at least a few love-feelings for him, being all glow-y and lonely (and for all we know, mind-controlled by the universe, I mean that glow gotta mean something's up, even if it's just soulmate-love affecting her). And there he is, quick release/her love. Who would blame her? (Maybe I should mention that I don't blame her for sleeping with Spike in season 6 either, because she was depressed and suicidal. Sex with bad people could be good.).
But as I said, I haven't read the rest of the arc yet. I'll be seriously pissed off if she accepts his explanation immediately (he might be right and trying to do his best, in which case I suppose I can't call him the bad guy anymore). Even if he's not lying, he could doing the wrong thing just by accepting his “fate”. Is this the Angel, fighting "destiny" in Ats? Always the one to fight the odds, save lives, prophecy’s and destiny be damned? Now he just accepted that there’d be loses and tried “lessen the blow”? And who told him all this would go down? The "universe"? Why should anyone care about what the universe wants? Is the universe good? Selfish? Stupid?
Since I don't think we'll get a happily ever after Bangel ending to this season, I think my questions will be answered. And even tough it sounds messed up, I want him to be wrong/bad. I'm tired of this destiny-crap. So at first, it all lead to Jasmine, then to Illyria being brought back and now this? What about the Apocalypse seen in Atf? How those this all line up?
All I'm saying is ‘What the hell’ and ‘frick on a stick’ and all that. I have no idea where this season is going, and for the first time in months, I am loving that.
In issue 32, when it says Buffy died and Faith was Chosen, I had to walk around in the room, because I was so very angry that they had made that continuity error. Then I read the next bubble and felt like a jackass, because of course it was Andrew doing the "voice over" and he got it wrong. Big sigh of relief. And it was actually funny.
Love that Amy and Warren and the general are working with the gang now. I'm actually starting to enjoy them. But that could be because I've been without season 8 for months. I feel all giddy.
I don't care that I usually loathe Angel, hated Twilight, Amy, Warren and used to have a huge dislike for Andrew (the geek is growing on me). I feel all happy inside. This is Buffy. This is chocking, disturbing and all together loveable. Because it's F-ed up, and witty and smart and I have no idea where this will end up or if the characters will work it out or survive and I love it!
That might all go away in the next issue, since I love Buffy so much I can't help but criticize when something feel wrong, but dammit, right now I'm proud to call myself a Buffy fan again. Twangel and future space-sex be damned.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 20, 2010 7:31:56 GMT -5
The reason we can blame her, is because at that moment she fully believed (rightly, I think) that Twangel was responsible for murdering over 200 of her friends and making her life a living hell for more than a year.
For her to put that all aside on the grounds that "it's Aaaaangel, and I luuuuuuv him" struck me as more than a little bit of Battered Wife Syndrome, deeply out of character for Buffy, and frankly pretty contemptible in her lack of empathy for her murdered Slayers.
Subsequent issues have made the situation a little clearer and less troubling as far as Buffy is concerned, but not for Angel quite yet.
Joss and the Buffy writers have made it pretty clear in the past, in episodes like "Band Candy" and "Where the Wild Things Are," that sex under the influence of magic is not considered rape (by them). This is different mainly in the circumstances and in the consequences.
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Post by alex_krycek on May 20, 2010 11:50:32 GMT -5
For her to put that all aside on the grounds that "it's Aaaaangel, and I luuuuuuv him" struck me as more than a little bit of Battered Wife Syndrome, deeply out of character for Buffy, and frankly pretty contemptible in her lack of empathy for her murdered Slayers. well put.
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Post by zamolxis on May 20, 2010 12:37:29 GMT -5
The reason we can blame her, is because at that moment she fully believed (rightly, I think) that Twangel was responsible for murdering over 200 of her friends and making her life a living hell for more than a year. For her to put that all aside on the grounds that "it's Aaaaangel, and I luuuuuuv him" struck me as more than a little bit of Battered Wife Syndrome, deeply out of character for Buffy, and frankly pretty contemptible in her lack of empathy for her murdered Slayers. Buffy was already enveloped in that glow by this time: Angel:That twist in your belly isn't just rage or confusion - and for once it's not even guilt. You feel me, Buffy, you feel usBuffy: I'd never tell him he's rightThe glow changed Buffy's thoughts from considering Twangel a murderer to completely believing him and feeling him as "right" (at the end of #35 she's still unaware of that influence - I hope we'll see more in September)
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 20, 2010 13:20:07 GMT -5
The glow changed Buffy's thoughts from considering Twangel a murderer to completely believing him and feeling him as "right" I don't believe that. I think the glow influenced Buffy's emotions, but I don't believe it brainwashed her or forced her to do anything she didn't already want to do. It just distracted her from the circumstances of the moment.
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Post by wenxina on May 20, 2010 14:15:49 GMT -5
I don't think that the glow brainwashed Buffy. The glow was some kinda of whammy put on them by the universe, driving the events of #34, but from #35, it sounds like Buffy's pretty aware of herself, and that she does feel funny from the glow-thing. But the glow in itself... IMO, it's just a manifestation of joy. Hence the "singing" of her body. However, her decision to stop and listen had more to do than just wanting to be "happy". No, that would make Buffy extremely selfish. In #33, in her internal thought bubbles, it shows that she felt that Angel was "right". Whether or not this is a side effect of the glow is hazy. But the point is, back in #33 itself, despite her initial reluctance to believe Angel, Buffy knows that he's right. That what she's feeling inside is him (no cheap blows at that one... it's way too easy). And perhaps, by extension, that he's not lying to her. That he's been playing her to minimize casualties. And to the Angel that's under the Twilight whammy, that's all they are. Casualties. Same guy wanting to leave behind the old plane of existence to its own fate. But that guy is now back on earth, fighting "shoulder to shoulder" with Buffy, which is what he wanted to do back in "Chosen".
Despite claims that we should know all there is to know about this Twilight business by the end of the arc, I think Allie may have oversold it a little. Because as much as we know now compared to back then, there are a ton of questions left unanswered about Twilight.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 20, 2010 14:32:00 GMT -5
Despite claims that we should know all there is to know about this Twilight business by the end of the arc, I think Allie may have oversold it a little. Because as much as we know now compared to back then, there are a ton of questions left unanswered about Twilight. What continues to worry me is the possibility that Joss, Brad, Scott & Co. thought that #35 was supposed to satisfy us that Angel isn't really a killer here. It satisfied me that he wasn't deliberately evil, or deliberately looking to cause pain or death like Angelus. But it does not satisfy me that Angel has the desire to help people (apart from himself and Buffy) or the sense of justice that he absolutely displayed in his TV series. If the intention is to show that Angel has backslid morally since we last saw him, that's a valid story to tell -- but we'd better find out more about why and how it happened, and an acknowledgment that this is a Really Bad Thing for his character growth. If the intention was to show that Angel was brainwashed into taking actions he didn't want to take, then they've failed to do that pretty thoroughly. But if their intent was to claim that Angel made the decision to become Twilight because he "thought he was doing the right thing," and that includes proactively killing Slayers and allowing the world to end for your benefit, then that's a character development I'm really going to have to take issue with. Angel, like Buffy, lives in Joss's head, and I hope he hasn't lost track of the character to such an extent that he'd give him such a grotesquely OCC and disingenuous story arc without a very good explanation -- a much better one than we've gotten so far. (I said I hope he hasn't, not that I trust he hasn't. I'm not a trusting person, I'm afraid.)
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Post by kaan on May 20, 2010 15:06:29 GMT -5
What I still don't get is what was the point of having specifically Angel be Twilight? How has this affected Buffy, really? She fall's pretty low in #34, but then get's straight back up in #35. It seems to me that right now it could have been anyone under that mask and the outcome would still be the same.
I'm trying to see how any sort of "growing up" theme is being portrayed this season in regards to Buffy herself, and right now I don't see any. But I do think the part about Angel saying 'paradise is ours to write' is pretty interesting. I see it as Buffy having to finally stop letting the world around control her entire emotional existence, getting her down and making her feel guilty about everything. It's about happiness being how you create it. Buffy hasn't been happy, arguably, since her mum died. We've had all the 'you are the darkness Buffy' talk all season and she's been looking for connection and comfort since page one. I think this story may be about her realising that no 'outside' force is going to come in and make everything all better. She has to do it herself. Laughing once in a while would probably help.
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