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Post by Emmie on Dec 2, 2010 1:09:10 GMT -5
I don't remember who that is! Olaf's bar maid?
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 20:08:04 GMT -5
As CBG noted, Yes to "no more" resonating with ToYL and what's more, it sounds just like what Buffy would say. Also, Angel killing Giles totally guts Buffy in the whole she has father issues that lead to her turning to Angel, but then Angel's the one who actually kills her 'father'. It sounds very Joss.
Frankly, I'm not so much worried about how this isn't going to shock me. I think this is still going to be horribly upsetting because it's GILES.
I think this is legit. Not only did Giles say goodbye to Buffy in #38, but he already said goodbye to Faith essentially in #37. GUH. GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILES.
Gates falls at the Battle of Starbucks. "No more." ToYL foreshadowing.
Whoa. WHOA WHOA WHOA. In order for Buffy to get over Angel, to move past her issues, to finally heal and mature, her 'father' has to die. Her father issues are the source and so it's the monster sprung from her father issues, Angel, who then kills her figurative 'father'. But will the snapping of the chord set her free or further damage her?
In a way, Giles dying will fix Buffy's narrative. In typical heroic narrative fashion, the father/mentor has to die for the hero to stand alone and fully come into their power. Giles' narrative clunked and died a slow death because he didn't die in Season 5 during the battle with the knights, though it was teased that he would die.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 19:20:11 GMT -5
She reminds me of the cliched image of a buxom German tavern wench. You know, more bulky and bigboned. Only instead of tankards of ale she's got cats!
It's weird though because Willow is the antithesis of that image: she's ethereal, small boned, slender, with itty bitties up top that were decidedly not showing when she wore that dress before in Season 8.
Count on IDW to remind us that women have cleavage even when Season 8 doesn't go there nor does that similar-styled outfit show Willow that way in OMWF.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 18:29:20 GMT -5
I'm getting fixated by weird details with the art. Most notably how Willow's neck and shoulders look really, really weird. Like bulky and bulging even. Willow's got a linebacker's neck and shoulders in that page.
Which is soooo strange because Willow herself has an incredibly slender and elegant neck. This Willow looks... beefy.
Willow in the Spike series! She's butch!
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 10:10:18 GMT -5
Yeah. Though I wonder if I'd have made it this long without the internet. I think I would've eventually given up on reading the comics without people to talk about them with. I might have stopped during the Twilight arc since that got me royally pissed off and upset.
The internet's made me into a comics marathon runner--reader--whatever. The point is y'all are feeding my addiction.
I blame this on the weakness of our species.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 10:02:01 GMT -5
I know perfectly well there's no way I'll be able to resist the spoilers. I wanted to read this spoiler-free tomorrow, but I just don't have the willpower. Me, either. My willpower was shot at around the year two point.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 9:53:18 GMT -5
Thanks. Still want you to attack Gaiman's Sandman, though. As for your going rogue on the topic, you're such a Palin. You should try dancing. O rly? Also yes! I really need to read Sandman. I so don't take our OT rules seriously at all. Rogue Mod going rogue, y'all!
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 9:40:12 GMT -5
That reminds me, I need to ask Sagewoman to buy me some codeine...
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 9:38:00 GMT -5
My current geekin' this week has been all about Batman. I'm about to read Frank Miller's Batman: the Dark Knight Returns. This thread is an OT party. While you're attacking the Batman stuff, read Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum. Noted, sir. Thanks for the rec. Looking forward to it as you have taste par excellence. This is like the first time in over a year I've posted in a Spike thread without bitching and it's 'cause I went OT.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 9:32:35 GMT -5
Oh, Canada. Universal health insurance and Buffy #39 on Wednesday. Is there anything you don't have? Must you rub it in our faces? *sobs*
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 9:09:18 GMT -5
My current geekin' this week has been all about Batman. I'm about to read Frank Miller's Batman: the Dark Knight Returns. This thread is an OT party.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 8:47:05 GMT -5
I think it's the enthusiasm that gets y'all going OT en masse. Geek chic's a turn-on!
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 8:33:52 GMT -5
I find this OT comic book geeking out adorable.
Clearly there's something wrong with me.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 1, 2010 0:54:38 GMT -5
I have no idea what a sun room is either. Rich people..pft. Your one crazy guy wen...one crazy guy. Really? News to me. Huh? I feel like saying, SKRR WHUH?
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Post by Emmie on Nov 30, 2010 23:14:13 GMT -5
I'm hoping the best art will be for the deluxe HC edition. But yeah, it doesn't really make this effort better.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 30, 2010 23:00:06 GMT -5
I KNOW, PHIL. I KNOW.
Chen was basically copying the Season 5 promos. UGH.
I'm trying to not hate on this art, but it's like... seriously? This is the last TPB cover and you're gonna phone it in?
THANKS. EXCEPT NOT.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 30, 2010 22:45:35 GMT -5
I'll copy over all my comments, but it looks like I agree with Paul (I even noted the shoulderpad style of Buffy!) and with A/C in that the cover doesn't really capture the tone of the story.
I'd lay odds Xander is staring at Dawn who's off-camera here. I don't think he's looking at Giles or Angel. I think what's actually being shown is that he's not looking at Buffy. Basically, this is a cover of the four most important men in Buffy's life, past and present (sadly Riley didn't make the cut), and Xander's the one who's looking to get off the ride.
I'm kinda underwhelmed by Chen's cover. Of all her posey covers, this one is not only posey but it's lacking energy. The likenesses are all right though Buffy's body shape look stiff and unnatural (she looks like she's bringing back shoulderpads in her jackets) and Spike's body looks kinda... weird (too lanky, too tall really).
Honestly, I only have small quibbles with the likenesses. Mostly, I wish this cover were actually showing something. Other than the small detail of Xander looking off to the side, it seems pretty lackluster to me.
Chen's Twilight TPB blows this one out of the water.
Chen can do dynamic action occasionally well (see her cover for #16 of Buffy and Fray falling through the air) and she can do incredibly beautiful portraits where there's emotion and expression (see Twilight TPB, P&P TPB, #36, #37 and many more), but this...
What is the emotion here?
Great art evokes a mood or sucks you in with a powerful statement. This? The most interesting feature is that Xander isn't paying attention to Buffy. And that's a small detail, not the overall piece.
I don't see much to interpret at all here. Even the expressions of each individual are blase and Xander looks bored.
I do like how Angel's standing, hands in his pockets, with a smug look on his face to match his cocky posture. Not exactly hunched over and burdened with guilt over your crimes, are you, big guy? (Though the more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that he's posing in a cocky way.)
Considering the much-talked-about tragedy of #39 and the gamechanger predictions of #40, the calm finality here doesn't really fit with the story I'm reading. I'm trying to imagine buying "Last Gleaming" with this cover, then diving into the crazy madness of the story and I think it'd be like getting smacked in the face with the dissonance between the cover and what's in the pages.
Specifically, Buffy's expression on this cover feels out of place. Compare her expression on Chen's covers for #37 (when the Master is looming behind her) and her broken despair for #40 (when she's beaten, bloodied and the Scythe lies chipped and broken in her hands). "Last Gleaming" isn't about a cocky, unaffected Slayer showing the audience she's got it all on lock, but about a weary, anguished Buffy who's hardened herself in order to fight. Buffy's likeness on this cover looks straight out of early Season 5 (before the emotional toll hits; and I'll lay odds Chen used a Season 5 promo pic as a reference 'cause that's early Season 5 Buffy hairstyle) and I want to be looking at Buffy in Season 8 circa "Last Gleaming" when the world's falling apart and she's responsible.
The best part about this cover is Xander looking away from Buffy. Giles and Spike are kinda just there, Buffy isn't emoting the way I'd expect for this end of the story (which is jarring because she did look great for both P&P and Twilight TPBs). And finally, Angel's stance and expression really doesn't fit with his journey during this arc.
Whatever. This is one of my least favorite TPB covers. NFFY, Twilight, and P&P remain my faves and this one doesn't come close.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 20, 2010 19:22:15 GMT -5
Urru must be having a hard time keeping up with this series. Kind of makes me sad that it won't be 1 consistent artist the whole series. I think I would have rather waited an extra month, no offense to Mooney... How many artist changes will this be now? I know there was an artist shift in the middle of Issue 2. It's like AtF all over again, but not in the good way.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 20, 2010 19:13:54 GMT -5
Joss is never gonna tell the story how Angel went from #17 of AtF to how he got to Twilight. So if you like Angel just read the IDW comics...if you don't wanna read em then that's cool too. People take this wayyyy too seriously. I'm echoing BluJay if you wanna read 'em just read 'em for crap's sake. Life's too short to be worrying about this kinda stuff. Hello, this is a forum where we talk about all aspects of this 'verse, including canon. People care about canon and continuity, that should be obvious, and it's not your place to tell people what matters to them. Canon =/= quality. And frankly, I think IDW's best works are the non-canon books by John Byrne. One of the reasons we discuss canon is because of the questionable nature of continuity between two rival publishing houses. If you think that doesn't matter, then bully for you. But don't snark at others who actually wish to take that into consideration. Settle down.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 19, 2010 15:28:25 GMT -5
Paul, this one's for you:
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