|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 8, 2010 16:05:39 GMT -5
Favorite: Angelus Best: The Gentlemen Least: Adam Worst: Warren
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 7, 2010 17:03:04 GMT -5
^^ You bring up some interesting points, Scarygothgirl. I like the idea of Jenny seeing Willow as an equal. In many ways Jenny helped Willow to hone and develop her skills in both magic and technology. Before Jenny came along, I think Willow associated her interests with something nerdy, geeky, etc., but then there was Jenny, a beautiful and accomplished woman who had many of the same interests Willow did. I definitely think Willow was influenced by Jenny a great deal, especially in her liking to magic.
As for Giles not being a father figure to the group as a whole, I can see where you're coming from but I have to disagree. Giles is clearly a father figure to Buffy, yes, and even Willow to a large extent, but I would argue for Xander as well. True, Giles has a tendency to quickly loose patience with Xander, he becomes easily frustrated, annoyed with him, etc., and is quick to anger with him. I think a part of this, though is that Xander is the only other male in the group. Perhaps Giles holds Xander to different standards than the girls? Perhaps he has more trust in the girls than he does with Xander because Xander is often seen making blunders and mistakes. Giles knows the messes Xander can get himself into, so therefore he is much harder on him. It could also be that Giles sees some of himself in Xander. He made a lot of mistakes in his youth and doesn't want to see Xander go down the same path. I do think Giles has a softer spot for the girls, but I don't think is hardness when it comes to Xander should be taken as not caring. On the contrary, I think if Giles did not care for Xander he would not stress over his behaviors much at all.
I agree with you about Willow seeing herself as an equal to the adults. Given that she is so smart, it is almost as if she is above childish things and has better uses for her time. Despite Willow's remarkable maturity in the early seasons, however, I feel that she desperately craves the attention and support she is missing from her parents at home, thus she turns to Jenny, Giles, and even Joyce looking for acceptance and recognition. Even later on in the series despite all her progression and character-growth, there is still an insecure young girl that lies within Willow. She desperately tries to compensate for it, of course, but there are times even later in the series when it is readily apparent. I think this, again, is what leads her to attach so strongly to Tara, and later, Kennedy.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 7, 2010 14:15:25 GMT -5
I definitely see Joyce assuming the mother role in the scooby gang. If you think about it, both Willow and Xander's parents were pretty much absent from their lives. Buffy was the only one in the gang that had an active, caring, attentive mom that was involved in her life. To me, it seems only logical that Joyce would go on to become the surrogate mother for Xander and Willow as well. I can think of many examples supporting this. Joyce comforting Willow when Jenny was killed, countless sleepovers and dinners at the Summers home, etc. Not to mention the many things we can only assume happened "off screen." In all the time around Buffy's friends, Joyce would have to get to know them pretty well and come to care about them. Plus, they all took it really hard when she died. When watching "The Body," I always get the sense that they are grieving for much more than, "the loss of their friends mother," they are grieving because, in a sense, they have lost their mother as well. Even though Joyce was only a recurring character and we didn't get to see much of her overall in the series, I still feel that she was an integral part of the scooby gang as substitute mom. You just get this feeling that Xander and Willow would totally go to Joyce about problems they couldn't talk to their own parents about.
The scooby gang had made up their own sort of surrogate family; Joyce was the mother figure, and Giles the father figure.
I know that originally Joss wasn't even going to show Buffy's mother on the show, but I'm really glad he decided against it because Joyce was a great character and a great addition to the show. Not to mention, best TV mom ever!!!
I have also heard it said before that Jenny Calendar was like a surrogate mom for Willow. I guess I can sort of see this. Willow did look up to Jenny and she learned a lot from her. You can see that Jenny is someone Willow admired quite a bit. I think she was definitely a role model for Willow, more so than her own mom, which is really sad. I think Willow looked at Jenny and definitely saw some of herself, or at least the adult version of what she would someday aspire to be like. The fact that Willow was so distraught over Jenny's death definitely shows that she was someone Willow cared for a great deal, more than just a mere teacher at Sunnydale High, that is.
Does any of this make sense, or am I just stretching things?
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 7, 2010 13:02:44 GMT -5
Doomed & A New Man.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 6, 2010 15:45:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I've noticed it, but I actually kinda like the dark, grainy feel of season 2.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 6, 2010 15:41:02 GMT -5
I watched from the beginning all 7 seasons in only two weeks. You watched all 7 seasons in only two weeks? Wow!
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 6, 2010 15:29:16 GMT -5
I've personally always found The Master hilarious, im glad he's back ...Makes more sense to me then Riley... Ugh, seriously did not need to see him again. I think it's cool to have The Master back, the big bad that started it all. Right now I'm just scratching my head as to how. When talking about this 'seed of wonder' Spike also says something along the lines of "There once was a place of worship swallowed up by the earth, over which they built a city..." So Im guessing this is the church that the Master was trapped in throughout season one? Yeah. I immediately thought the place of worship was the church and the city built was Sunnydale. As far as the glowing red thing and the "seed of wonder" I have no idea. But hopefully this will all make sense very soon.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 6, 2010 15:24:07 GMT -5
^^ I think the DVD comes out sometime in January, if I'm not mistaken.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 5, 2010 18:18:16 GMT -5
Just read the issue last night, and while it was good, I gotta say I was hella confused on a couple of points. First and foremost being, how is The Master alive? We saw Buffy grind up his bones with a sledgehammer in S2, making his resurrection an impossibility (or so we thought). I have seen a few people suggest that it could be The First, but as we have already seen The Master as The First in S7, to use him again in this capacity would be a tad redundant, imo. It is interesting to have Spike back in the mix of things as well, although, his reunion with Buffy, not exactly what I expected. I have many more thoughts, but this is all I have time for right now.
Until later....
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 31, 2010 18:43:16 GMT -5
Just thought of something. Why didn't I think of it before? Notice how motherly Tara is? Notice how she stepped into the mother role as soon as Joyce dies? She's suddenly a mother to both Buffy and Willow. Even in Season 6, Buffy trusts her in a way that she can't trust either Giles or Willow. That's a clue to what she did for Willow, why Willow needed her so much. Oz was beautiful in his own way, but he could not be a mother. It probably never occurred to him that what Willow needed was mothering. Oh, excellent point! Karma!
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 27, 2010 15:53:00 GMT -5
^^ I agree with you in regards to Kennedy. For her, it seems that "getting with" Willow was almost a status symbol; something to make her better than, more privileged, or more entitled than the other slayers in the group. It just seems like something she would rub in their faces to say, "Haha, I'm better than you. Look what I got." She was clearly impressed by Willow's magical abilities, and also completely ignorant of how dangerous magic could be. She was completely unaware of the fact that magic almost destroyed Willow (not to mention the entire world), even encouraging her to use it and going as far to say that dark Willow is something she's "like to see." Her flippancy about and treating it as if it is something comical and fun has always rubbed me the wrong way. It is obvious that despite being a potential slayer Kennedy has never been around or has much knowledge of the supernatural. Sure, you could argue it's Willow's fault for not explaining to Kennedy the severity of her magic addiction but still, it just annoys me. From the get go Kennedy struck me as someone very competitive with the other girls (many of whom were younger than her). She always had to "be the best." So maybe, getting in Willow's good graces and becoming part of Willow's "inner circle" was Kennedy's ultimate victory against the other. Not saying her feeling for Willow weren't/aren't genuine, but given Kennedy's competitive edge, the fact that she has ulterior motives wouldn't surprise me. As she tells Willow, she is a brat used to getting what she wants. Perhaps she snagged Willow just to see if she could. And Willow, clearly on the rebound from the love of her life, decided to go along for the ride.
Just a thought.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 27, 2010 11:58:18 GMT -5
I think Willow and Tara's (Twillow. ) relationship was healthy, at least in the beginning. I think it's fair to say that both had their share of emotional baggage they brought to the relationship (as people often do). I think both girls' upbringings have a lot to do with their need fulfillment in/with the relationship, as well as the subsequent dependence they felt with one another. If you think about it, both women came from extremely dysfunctional homes. We have Tara, who suffered mental and emotional abuse, basically being used as a slave. And then there's Willow, whose parents didn't seem to be that interested in her at all. Both girls suffered forms of neglect by their families. If this is the case, it seems only natural that Willow and Tara would begin to cling to one another in the relationship; both looking for the love, attention, and acceptance they feel they have missed out on. I would argue that immediately they see something special in one another; an instant connection and chemistry. The only difference is, Where Tara started out shy and timid, and Willow the more outgoing one (the leader in the relationship), Tara eventually progressed into a stronger, outspoken character. Willow, on the other hand, became the opposite. She regressed and became even more consumed by and dependent on the relationship; to the point that it was no longer healthy and beautiful. Willow was losing her footing while Tara was finding hers. Interesting that by the end of the relationship, both had become the exact polar opposite of what they were going into it. In the fight Willow and Tara have in S5 (Tough Love, I believe it is), you can really see just how insecure Willow is in the relationship with Tara. She becomes afraid that Tara will leave her, that Tara will no longer "be gay," etc. I would argue that a lot of this insecurity stems from Willow's broken relationship with Oz. Think about it, he was the last person willow ever expected to hurt and betray her, and yet he did. It could be that even though, like Oz, Tara "seems" like a person who would never hurt Willow, there is still a bit of mistrust and insecurity on Willow's part. It could be that she is afraid of getting burned again by someone she cares deeply for, and once again being completely blindsided by the betrayal; never seeing it coming. I think this is a definite factor in Willow's growing dependence on Tara. She is afraid of losing her, of being hurt again. So afraid, in fact, that she resorts to drastic measures such as mind control. She is so consumed with this worry and illogical fear that it leads her to do these crazy acts without giving much thought to what it may be doing to the woman she loves. And of course, the sad irony is that despite all Willow's efforts to "keep" Tara, she ends up losing her anyway in a tragedy that neither could have prevented or saw coming. Willow's worst fears came true, in a sense; she was once again blindsided in her relationship, only this time, not by her lover's actions. As far as Willow/Kennedy, it is really no secret that I am not a fan of that relationship. It's pretty obvious to me that Willow keeps Kennedy at a distance. I think Willow fears completely opening herself up and making herself emotionally available to another person again. Maybe I am just biased, but it seems to me that Willow/Kennedy do not share that closeness and contentment that was so special in her relationship Tara. You get the sense that Kennedy is someone Willow COULD live without, but she keeps Kennedy around nonetheless because hey, she does care about her and it sure beats being alone. That said, I don't think Willow will have with any other person what she had With Tara, which is why I believe she keeps herself from getting overly attached to and involved with Kennedy. I think she definitely keeps Kennedy at bay, never truly letting her "in."
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 26, 2010 19:57:50 GMT -5
I disagree, I think if all the characters had the same dysfunctional background then it would have been boring. I loved Joyce being the mumsy one, especially to the other characters. One of my favourite Joyce scenes is when she's looking after Spike after he's been dumped. I agree. I love Joyce, and the scene of her and Spike talking over hot Cocoa is one of my favorites. I love that Joyce was a mom to all the scoobies over the years.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 26, 2010 19:49:30 GMT -5
*trying to keep in the klepto-jokes* Love how that reminds me of the scene when Buffy & Dawn walk on the street, talking about Dawn's klepto-issues. Haha. I thought the same thing when I saw these pics. If Buffy and the Dawnster are shopping together again, little sis has obviously put the kleptoness behind her.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 26, 2010 11:03:07 GMT -5
^^ Haha. I do the same thing on Halloween.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 26, 2010 10:58:25 GMT -5
Wasn't their height difference joked about on the show at some point? I feel like I remember Dawn teasing Buffy about being taller than her. Yes, that was brought up quite a few times actually. I think it's great that they hang out and are still friends. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. lol.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 25, 2010 10:04:16 GMT -5
Warren!
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 23, 2010 11:16:03 GMT -5
Agreed. I really loved seeing "The Chain" come to life. Definitely my favorite ep so far. Did they use the same voice actress for Decoy!Buffy that they use for real Buffy? Hm...it sounded like it was someone different but I could be wrong...
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 23, 2010 10:23:02 GMT -5
I'll echo that review and advise y'all to give The Chain a chance. It doesn't heavily involve the Scoobies so this is your chance to view this motion comic without having an original cast to compare to. Agreed. I really loved seeing "The Chain" come to life. Definitely my favorite ep so far.
|
|
|
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 22, 2010 20:17:45 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this issue. Thanks to Jane's top-notch writing, I heard the voices of Riley and Sam coming through loud and clear. Moline's excellent artistic depictions of the characters was an added bonus in contributing to the "realism" of this story. I really felt for Riley and Sam here. Riley, wanting to leave his military, demon-hunting life behind, settle down with Sam and start a family - a nice quiet life. Sam, who pretends to want the same things Riley does (and deep down does), but at the same time she is not ready to give up the mission. Gee, sound like anybody else we know? And the funny thing is, they both secretly want the same thing. The fact is, both are on the same page and they don't even realize it; both reluctant to give up the "big picture." And of course Riley decides to help Buffy in the end, because even though he loves Sam and I believe is happy with her, a part of him will always care deeply for Buffy. Sam sees this and she accepts it. Speaking of Sam, have to say I'm really glad she didn't bite the big one, which is honestly what I was expecting. Throughout the issue I really found myself rooting for these two and wanting to see them make it work and be happy. I gotta say it was a surprise to see Whistler, that I wasn't expecting. Though I am still confused about the details of all that. Will definitely take a couple more reads I think, but all and all a great way to bring "Buffy" back after such a looong (and unbearable) hiatus. - Superb writing, superb art, etc. Overall, I have always liked Riley's character, so I think it's great that he gets his chance to "shine" in the verse. Now can't wait for the final arc to kick off in just a few short days.
|
|