Buffy Season 8 - Most Wanted

[airgirl]

pablo said:

nah i think it doesn't seems likely that faith has the schyte. at the end of s7 she seemed ok with the fact that Buffy WAS chief slayer, i don't think she wanted the schyte.

You guessed right Pablo! Nice to see in #4 that the scythe is still very much in Buffy's hands.

As for my most wanted list:

- Brand new big bad/s
- Anya and Oz- pleeeease
- A brand new love for Buffy (not Xander)
- Faith (and we know we're getting that soon - yay!)
- Less Dawn - how about a spell to get her back to normal size goes wrong and she ends up microscopic so we can't see or hear her?
- Angel and Spike, doing the double act they did so well in ATS 5

[pablo]

xmadxscientistx said:

pablo said:

well i think they just bite the dust like anybody else...

anya, althought being a former vengeance demon, died as human, so i think she's just gonna stay dead - but JW's comment regarding a possible appearence by anya made me think that she might now hang around the PTB higher planes...at least, that's what i'm guessing.

Bite the dust or no, BtVS clearly has an afterlife reality, question here is heaven or hell. Sure, she's done some horrible things, but she's also done the repenting thing and participated in saving the world... Does she make it to Valhalla to be with Xander's *other* dead ex-girlfriend, or does she find out a bit about the place spike kept phasing off to?

For a show with as much demonology as Buffy, Joss skirted the afterlife topic a good bit. Anya's a personal favorite character of mine, and although it's inconsequential to the plot, I think greater knowledge of her death and what came after would create a greater understanding of the Buffyverse and the way things are. There's a long list of characters in the Buffyverse that are dead, from Jessie to Anya and from Doyle to Lindsey and Wesley. It'd just be interesting to know what happens to them when they fade away.

I realize that's information we will likely never get, but as long as we're building wish lists I'm going to scribble that thought down.

For my tastes, even just a flashback or a blank filler would be nice, to see the old ensemble ethic working again. Seeing Anya's pretty little chaotic neutral face again would, in my opinion, be a big boost.

Had Joss explained the whole afterlife dimension inn BtVS, i guess there wouldn't be no mystery or theories - and that would spoil the fun.
i think JW will go back to anya and some other dead characters once more - it might be cool to have a one-shot completely centered on the dead characters and their fate in the afterlife - think of anya cordelia wes darla tara fred all together in one comic!

[airgirl]

pablo said:

i think JW will go back to anya and some other dead characters once more - it might be cool to have a one-shot completely centered on the dead characters and their fate in the afterlife - think of anya cordelia wes darla tara fred all together in one comic!

That would be incredibly cool and a great way to see anya, cordy, fred, darla - genius!

Oh, and one more (not dead) character I'd like to see is D'Hoffryn. He's one of my favourite villains. Would be great to see him trying to tempt some of the slayers over onto the dark side - imagine a vengeance demon slayer!

[Shin]

airgirl said:

pablo said:

i think JW will go back to anya and some other dead characters once more - it might be cool to have a one-shot completely centered on the dead characters and their fate in the afterlife - think of anya cordelia wes darla tara fred all together in one comic!

That would be incredibly cool and a great way to see anya, cordy, fred, darla - genius!

Oh, and one more (not dead) character I'd like to see is D'Hoffryn. He's one of my favourite villains. Would be great to see him trying to tempt some of the slayers over onto the dark side - imagine a vengeance demon slayer!

I don't think we would see Fred, seeing how they kept saying her soul was destroyed by Illyria.

[pablo]

yeah but i think it'd be way too weird not to see her - even as a supernatural manifestation - in s6
i mean, brian lynch said in an interview that the day the comic comes out there'll be a lot of happy fans, as well as a lot of sad ones - that's clearly a hint to a possible resurrection: now i think cordy's gone for good, but wes and fred might stand a chance.

oh and btw i hope they won't follow that crappy gunn-turned-into-vampire storyline - aside from the fact that it'd be cheap since every fan knows it, it wouldn't give enough space (we're talkin a 12-issue series) to a more complex and more satisfying story.

[pablo]

would you accept that as a definitive answer? i mean, it's the buffyverse!
characters always found a way to come back...darla was resurrected, spike became a ghost, angel escaped the hell dimension, buffy was brought back (TWICE), dawn appeared out of nowhere.

im just saying, if fred is actually going to be back - even for a small cameo, or a dream or whatever - i'd be no surprised, and her comeback wouldn't be the most shocking.

[airgirl]

mikey said:

Fred's soul is gone though. She doesn't exist anymore, she's gone-gone.

Oh yes, I forgot! Her soul is gone so she can't even be a ghost, because she's nowhere.

That's very sad

[Shin]

mikey said:

pablo said:

would you accept that as a definitive answer? i mean, it's the buffyverse!
characters always found a way to come back...darla was resurrected, spike became a ghost, angel escaped the hell dimension, buffy was brought back (TWICE), dawn appeared out of nowhere.

im just saying, if fred is actually going to be back - even for a small cameo, or a dream or whatever - i'd be no surprised, and her comeback wouldn't be the most shocking.

Yes. Because Fred didn't "die", her soul was completely destroyed. Unless someone went back in time and prevented her death, which would be so lame, then it's impossible to bring her back. Her death was meaningful and horrificly sad. It was an awesome moment, it should stay like that.

If she came in a dream, and it wasn't really her? That's fine. But it couldn't be her. Because Fred doesn't exist anymore. It's called tragedy, deal with it.

I wouldn't say it was that simple, remember who told them all that, he was that doctor/Illyria follower, he's got a good reason to lie about all of this.

[Shin]

mikey said:

I'm pretty sure Illyria said it too. I'm not 100% though.

For some strange reason I don't think she lies, so if she said it, it's probably true.

[airgirl]

Illyria can take the form of Fred. Remember she did it when Fred's parents came to visit and Wesley was really angry. Then, when Wes was dying she said, can I lie to you now and turned into Fred again. That scene totally devastated me

[Giant Michael]

Having read the Dark Horse Angel comics, I wouldn't put it past them to pull a cheap shot to please the fans and bring Fred back, with so half-arsed, fanfic-worthy whimsy behind her reason for being back...

What might be more interesting is if she was just there from the get-go, allowing the explanation to play out over a good number of issues, but I think there'd be too much to cover in twelve comics for it to be handled with any taste or dignity. Saying that, I've always felt that Angel was terribly one-dimensional as a character, and the Angel/Spike dynamic had really run it's course during season five, so I'm not sure where they'd go from here.

As long as Buffy and Angel play nice together, I'm happy; none of this 'OMG APOCALYPSE DEATH IN LA!!!1'/'Happy, happy Sunnydale; like my new haircut?' bollocks that they had going on for a while back there, please.

MB x

[pablo]

since Lynch talked about fans being happy with a s.6 #1 i'm guessing there would be a resurrection, and at this point my bets are on wes

[xmadxscientistx]

pablo said:

Had Joss explained the whole afterlife dimension inn BtVS, i guess there wouldn't be no mystery or theories - and that would spoil the fun.
i think JW will go back to anya and some other dead characters once more - it might be cool to have a one-shot completely centered on the dead characters and their fate in the afterlife - think of anya cordelia wes darla tara fred all together in one comic!

I thought that would be pretty amazing myself. I have this mental image of Anya, Cordy, Wes, Tara, and Doyle being in a parallel universe created to house dead souls that is rather a lot like a situational comedy that never gets canceled. I imagine it's a lot like "Seinfeild," "Will and Grace," or "Friends." Nobody goes to work or fights vampires, they all just sit around and have coffee and speculate about the nature of their local restaurants or reccent boyfriends or that girl with the weird teeth. Nothing bad ever happens to them that isn't funny, and they don't remember ever having to deal with any problems more painful than spilling champaign in an embarrassing place in their custom made bridesmaid outfit moments before they were suppose to walk out for the wedding.

I am probably the only one that feels this way, but I would love to know what happened to Knox when he reached the other side.

Although I personally feel that Illyria is all that is left of Fred, I question Illyria's ability to gauge what happened to her soul. Regardless of the location of Fred's soul, she does live on. In the world of Beowulf, Fred is more alive than Illyria. Fred is immortal so long as someone remembers her, and with vampires for mourners, she has a good chance at living forever, baring vampheimers and pointy sticks.

My impractical dream is still for Darla to meet Halfrek in a flashback, but then Darla is a personal favorite of mine.

By the way, I have a strong feeling that where ever Darla is now, it isn't Hell. Although it seems that is where vampires generally go when they die, Darla's post death encounter with her son makes me believe she was in a better place, one from which she could watch Connor's life. I say this partly because both Spike and Angel have been to a hell dimension or something a lot like one, Angel for a very long period of time, and she showed none of the symptoms they did. She was there for what, two seasons? And she showed nothing but concern for her son when she was returned to earth for a short time. Maybe that shows that vampires don't actually have to go there, that perhaps her reformation had been her redemption? If that's true, have Spike and Angel also been recovered for the hereafter?

Or did Darla shanshu, in her own way?

All in fun, of course. I love playing with that prophesy. Anybody got a theory on whether we'll be seeing a shanshu in season 6?

[buffysmglover]

I'm hoping to see Dracula back in Issue 12

[roguewarrior]

I'd love to see Dru back sometime in the series. and Anya, It'd be awesome to see Kendra, in one of the books Kendra was on the ghost roads. I really am hoping that Tara does not come back, she never was one of the big characters and having her show up(as a ghost, or back from the dead) would just be unneeded drama. I think that Willow has finally gotten over the fact that she is dead, or gotten over it as much as much as she ever will.

[juniorwatcher]

xmadxscientistx said:

pablo said:

Had Joss explained the whole afterlife dimension inn BtVS, i guess there wouldn't be no mystery or theories - and that would spoil the fun.
i think JW will go back to anya and some other dead characters once more - it might be cool to have a one-shot completely centered on the dead characters and their fate in the afterlife - think of anya cordelia wes darla tara fred all together in one comic!

I thought that would be pretty amazing myself. I have this mental image of Anya, Cordy, Wes, Tara, and Doyle being in a parallel universe created to house dead souls that is rather a lot like a situational comedy that never gets canceled. I imagine it's a lot like "Seinfeild," "Will and Grace," or "Friends." Nobody goes to work or fights vampires, they all just sit around and have coffee and speculate about the nature of their local restaurants or reccent boyfriends or that girl with the weird teeth. Nothing bad ever happens to them that isn't funny, and they don't remember ever having to deal with any problems more painful than spilling champaign in an embarrassing place in their custom made bridesmaid outfit moments before they were suppose to walk out for the wedding.

I am probably the only one that feels this way, but I would love to know what happened to Knox when he reached the other side.

Although I personally feel that Illyria is all that is left of Fred, I question Illyria's ability to gauge what happened to her soul. Regardless of the location of Fred's soul, she does live on. In the world of Beowulf, Fred is more alive than Illyria. Fred is immortal so long as someone remembers her, and with vampires for mourners, she has a good chance at living forever, baring vampheimers and pointy sticks.

My impractical dream is still for Darla to meet Halfrek in a flashback, but then Darla is a personal favorite of mine.

By the way, I have a strong feeling that where ever Darla is now, it isn't Hell. Although it seems that is where vampires generally go when they die, Darla's post death encounter with her son makes me believe she was in a better place, one from which she could watch Connor's life. I say this partly because both Spike and Angel have been to a hell dimension or something a lot like one, Angel for a very long period of time, and she showed none of the symptoms they did. She was there for what, two seasons? And she showed nothing but concern for her son when she was returned to earth for a short time. Maybe that shows that vampires don't actually have to go there, that perhaps her reformation had been her redemption? If that's true, have Spike and Angel also been recovered for the hereafter?

Or did Darla shanshu, in her own way?

All in fun, of course. I love playing with that prophesy. Anybody got a theory on whether we'll be seeing a shanshu in season 6?

It's really confusing about Darla. She died technically with a soul (even though she was actually sharing her baby's soul) and then she came to Connor, maybe that was the human Darla. Who the hell knows besides Joss?

Really don't think there will be shanshu-ing it up in Season 6.

Angel signed his Shanshu away in blood

And, Spike is retired.

[commandercool]

airgirl said:

Illyria can take the form of Fred. Remember she did it when Fred's parents came to visit and Wesley was really angry. Then, when Wes was dying she said, can I lie to you now and turned into Fred again. That scene totally devastated me

After watching season 5 of Angel again, I'm pretty sure the intent was that parts of Fred would slowly start to creep back into illyria's mind until it became half Fred and half Illyria.

[buffysmglover]

I was asleep from 10am today to 8pm, and in my many dreams, I remember picking up a comic and it had Puppet Spike on it, but he was wearing a Dracula-like cape/cloak

[lee]

I would love to see Fred - though I get that we're saying her soul is gone. But what if Fred's soul wasn't actually destroyed but more like devoured by Illyria? What is a soul anyway? Hmm... let me ponder this a minute. Okay, as we see with Spike and Angel it is more than in the brain - like memories an stuff - because when they are soul-less they remember being human and have all those memories. But is the soul the chief vehicle for identity in the Buffy-verse? Because even when those two get their souls back they act as though it was reallyl them - and not some soul-less demon - that committed all the terrible acts? So what is a soul in the Buffy-verse really? Couldn't some part of Fred (more than just her memories) have been integrated into Illyria? I don't know, something to think about I guess.

And I would love to see Oz. I never really thought of him as a cheater and I guess that's basically because he was taken over by something primal - which I guess a lot of cheaters could claim. But Willow also had the Xander thing and Oz managed to get over that for her. Plus Oz did a lot to change himself for Willow and didn't come back until he knew he could control those primal urges the Werewolf brought out in him. He wanted her and he did the work. It was just too late because Willow had found Tara. Everyone should get at least one second chance IMO.

Speaking of Tara, I think it would be awesome for her to show up in S8. I cried when she died and I missed her terribly during the S7. It was heartbreaking.

And yes, of course, Dru should really make an appearance. And Darla. And Anya too. Jeez... I love them all.

[SlayerLV]

I would definately like to see an appearance from Anya, Darla, and Dru.