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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 16:35:02 GMT -5
I want Kennedy back personally, lol.
I want an interesting Riley conflict. It looks very much like he will end up against Buffy if we see him again. I want it to be more than a simple "Riley is mislead and on the wrong side" story.
I'd like Dru to finally get hers and die.
I want all the dead characters to remain dead. I think there's still a lot of Fred in Illyria, I'd rather it develop that way rather than have Fred return. Tara was the new Jenny Calender. Keep her dead. Anya lived a long enough life.
I'd like Team Angel and the Scoobies together for the very last fight.
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Post by buffysmglover on Jan 4, 2008 18:05:04 GMT -5
I want Kennedy back personally, lol. I want an interesting Riley conflict. It looks very much like he will end up against Buffy if we see him again. I want it to be more than a simple "Riley is mislead and on the wrong side" story. I'd like Dru to finally get hers and die. I want all the dead characters to remain dead. I think there's still a lot of Fred in Illyria, I'd rather it develop that way rather than have Fred return. Tara was the new Jenny Calender. Keep her dead. Anya lived a long enough life. I'd like Team Angel and the Scoobies together for the very last fight. I don't like Riley
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 20:07:43 GMT -5
Okay... hehe
I like Riley. It's unfair to say his problems rooted directly from Buffy's strength; Riley's wife is hardly a weak woman.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 20:16:11 GMT -5
So he's insecure around super-strong women? I thought his problems stemmed more from feeling ignored and not needed personally, although he clearly was worried being merely human would seperate them further.
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Post by eriktheslayerboy on Jan 4, 2008 20:17:09 GMT -5
I would love to see oz back just to see everyones reactions.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 20:24:15 GMT -5
So he's insecure around super-strong women? I thought his problems stemmed more from feeling ignored and not needed personally, although he clearly was worried being merely human would seperate them further. Not needed why though? Because Buffy was so independent and strong. Of course, her neglecting him was partially involved as well. Independant and strong she may be, but she still clearly needed a shoulder to cry on. She just never seemed to want Riley to be that guy. Lets also add Spike's meddling to the list as well lol
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 20:29:09 GMT -5
Hey hey, Spike only showed Buffy the truth. Riley really ended up being true scum and Buffy needed to know that. As bad as your relationship is getting, you don't go behind the other person's back and get "sucked off" by vampires. I was refering to the digs Spike was delivering to Riley out of jealousy. He was responsible for a lot of Riley's heightened insecurities.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 4, 2008 20:47:18 GMT -5
I think Spike was just perceptive, and could see it was already there in Riley. That doesn't change anything. But anyway another thing I'd like to see is the end of giant Dawn.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Jan 5, 2008 5:16:27 GMT -5
I agree to the end of giant Dawn. I think it's being dragged out too long, and it's starting to lose my interest.
I would like Tara back in flashbacks, a memory, or in some way.
On a different note, I didn't like Warren being brought back. It kind of made me angry. In season seven didn't Warren appear as The First which could only happen if he died? I guess I'm a bit confused about the whole situation, but Warren or at least the essence of Warren must have survived in order to appear in the comics. Bringing Warren into the picture isn't going to help Tara fans move on and root for the Willow and Kennedy relationship if we're being shown that Tara can't come back from the dead, but the guy that killed her, can. Perhaps I got the story wrong, but that's the way it seems.
I'd also like Anya to be brought back. "It could be bunnies..." -OMWF
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 9:11:55 GMT -5
On a different note, I didn't like Warren being brought back. It kind of made me angry. In season seven didn't Warren appear as The First which could only happen if he died? I guess I'm a bit confused about the whole situation, but Warren or at least the essence of Warren must have survived in order to appear in the comics. Bringing Warren into the picture isn't going to help Tara fans move on and root for the Willow and Kennedy relationship if we're being shown that Tara can't come back from the dead, but the guy that killed her, can. Perhaps I got the story wrong, but that's the way it seems. I agree whole-heartedly. I wasn't impressed when I heard he was making a return, and when i finally got to reading it I wasn't converted. His presence seemed unnecessary and pretty forced. The explanation of how he was there was goofy and created continuity errors about the first etc. which Joss admitted was a mistake. I think a more satisfying explanation could have been conjured. Like Amy, after the events of "The Killer in Me", retrives Warren's flayed "corpse" from the limbo that Willow sent him to. For me, that kind of story would eliminate my issues with the story, such as Amy stealing Warren from under Willow's nose in "Villains", the problem with the first, and the idea that Amy and Warren were plotting for so long which doesn't really fit with Amy in season 7.
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Post by roguewarrior on Jan 5, 2008 12:35:24 GMT -5
Mikey...RELAX. The only reason it happened was because Seth Green had scheduling conflicts and had to leave the show! What's that have to do with the story? lol It's canon. It happened. In the Buffyverse, Oz sucks now. Seth is awesome. Oz is not. DUDE CHILL! Oz is an awesome character. so you think he sucks. so what, thats your opinion, and sometimes people have different opinions then you. so don't get all mad at someone when they say that they want Oz to come back.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 12:39:35 GMT -5
Mikey is just very protective of Willow. Bless his wee cottons.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 16:09:08 GMT -5
Just the help stir (cause frankly I like debates), Willow's actions in season 6 toward Tara, were way WAY worse than Oz's in season 4. Him leaving her after things went tits up doesn't even compare to mind-rape. Hell, cheating doesn't compare in those specific circumstances.
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Post by roguewarrior on Jan 5, 2008 16:38:56 GMT -5
DUDE CHILL! Oz is an awesome character. so you think he sucks. so what, thats your opinion, and sometimes people have different opinions then you. so don't get all mad at someone when they say that they want Oz to come back. Dude I made that comment back in June, and it was just a passing one. Like for reals, don't spaz. lol I just don't like Oz. I liked him before he cheated on Willow and then abandoned her, and then came back all of the sudden expecting Willow to still be waiting for him. He's a jerk in my book. *shrugs* That's just my opinion, that's how I'd gauge someone like that in real life. sorry, if I'd have seen when it was written I wouldn't have said anything.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 5, 2008 17:20:32 GMT -5
Don't forget that Willow also cheated on Oz. Obviously not as extreme as Veruca, but she betrayed him aswell. And I thought Oz's leaving was for Willow. He was becoming dangerous and in a way that's sort of protecting her. He went to a find cure, not just for himself, but for Willow, but it was too late. He was a nice guy.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 5, 2008 17:55:47 GMT -5
What Oz did to Willow was wrong. But I don't think an ass-kicking is deserved.
What he got back from Willow was enough pain, and probably plagued his mind for a while. He left and when he came back, his chick was into chicks and didn't want him anymore. What a mind-f***!!!
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 18:00:48 GMT -5
Just the help stir (cause frankly I like debates), Willow's actions in season 6 toward Tara, were way WAY worse than Oz's in season 4. Him leaving her after things went tits up doesn't even compare to mind-rape. Hell, cheating doesn't compare in those specific circumstances. I'd have to disagree. I'd rather Willow do what she did to Tara than boink somebody else. Well personally I'd rather have someone cheat on me than have someone physically alter my mind. I wouldn't like either though to be honest
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 19:41:47 GMT -5
Well I look at it like this...Willow did what she did to Tara because she loved her so much that she didn't want anything to change. Oz did what he did to Willow because Willow wasn't enough for him. Willow did what she did to Tara because she was on a power ego trip. Why take Tara's concerns seriously when you can just make them go away? Willow loves Tara it's true; but her actions are for nothing but her own gain. Oz was confused because the wolf in him craved another wolf. It was beyond his control. You ignore it but it's made clear in the arc that things are going on in Oz's head that he can't control or understand. He fucks up bad. He leaves to work it out and protect Willow from himself. These two instances are similar in many ways, that's why I brought them up. They both made mistakes, but interestingly you only punish one of them.
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Post by roguewarrior on Jan 5, 2008 19:58:32 GMT -5
You bring up an interesting point. I think that what Willow did to Tara was worse, I mean she messed with her FREAKING BRAIN!!! thats pretty darn bad.
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Post by roguewarrior on Jan 5, 2008 20:15:19 GMT -5
Willow paid for her sins. Oz didn't. you sure you didn't get those names mixed up? Oz paid for what he did, he went away right after to find a way to control the wolf, that was his choice. Willow on the other hand paid how? Tara broke up with her? that was her choice. when Tara left she went hard-core magic for a few weeks before she went cold turkey. so how did Willow 'pay for her sins'?
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