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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 13:14:25 GMT -5
Btw... I think we can drop the spoiler tags now. If people already have the book in their hands, then discussion about spoilers should become fair game. So spoil away without the cumbersome spoiler tags. Well, I don't have the book in my hand yet, and won't for another... *looks at clock*... 4 hours. But I haven't really bothered trying to avoid spoilers for the last few issues. I just hope the discussion isn't over already before I get to read it.  |
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Post by wenxina on Aug 18, 2010 13:17:43 GMT -5
Well, to throw some fuel on the fire, apparently on the last page, there's a statement that the Angel franchise returns to Dark Horse in 2011.
Can someone with a physical (or otherwise) book in their hand confirm this?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 13:20:42 GMT -5
Well, to throw some fuel on the fire, apparently on the last page, there's a statement that the Angel franchise returns to Dark Horse in 2011.  (Although, post-season 8, will there really be anything left of the Angel franchise?) |
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Post by 47kwest on Aug 18, 2010 13:32:02 GMT -5
Yes it does say late 2011 angel goes back to DH. That's from Allie.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 18, 2010 13:32:36 GMT -5
Well, according to Riker on Whedonesque:
Well, then... this could be a good thing. Or not. I guess it depends on loyalties. Me, I'm more concerned with good storytelling. If having both franchises under the same roof again will guarantee that, then fine with me.
I'm assuming that switching in Mariah Huehner and David Tischner into the main ANGEL book was a calculated move to actually sync up the two continuities. Which would then allow S9 and ANGEL to run in the same continuity and time frame.
Mucho confused am I...
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Post by Dorotea on Aug 18, 2010 13:34:46 GMT -5
Yup. Here it is - I would have never noticed it without reading it here. the return of the Angel series to Dark Horse in late 2011, in tandem with our Buffy Season 9 relaunch |
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 18, 2010 13:35:10 GMT -5
Started a thread here to discuss Angel's move. |
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Post by Dorotea on Aug 18, 2010 13:39:13 GMT -5
OK. Away with the spoiler tags then!
No, PtB's aren't evil. According to Whistler he can see the possible futures and if Angel tells Buffy everything the war will be lost - they will loose it together ( 'how romantic' - to quote from whistler). It looks like the current prophecy is the biggest and heaviest the PtBs have ever seen and the only way to 'save the world' is for Angel to follow the course he had been following...
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Post by 47kwest on Aug 18, 2010 13:39:22 GMT -5
There's no expect there. It a very definite statement. But there is a ? At the end which as read refers to the tandem with S9 Buffy relaunch.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 13:41:15 GMT -5
OK. Away with the spoiler tags then! No, PtB's aren't evil. According to Whistler he can see the possible futures and if Angel tells Buffy everything the war will be lost - they will loose it together ( 'how romantic' - to quote from whistler). It looks like the current prophecy is the biggest and heaviest the PtBs have ever seen and the only way to 'save the world' is for Angel to follow the course he had been following... The war against what?  If the PTB's are responsible for Twilight, then how are they not responsible for the war itself? |
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Post by Dorotea on Aug 18, 2010 13:45:36 GMT -5
The war against what? If the PTB's are responsible for Twilight, then how are they not responsible for the war itself? Well, I am only telling you what I see written. Whistler looks and sounds like himself - up to his little idiosyncrasies. The 'war' must be against the uber-demons. As I always assumed. One more thing is - Whistler speaks about probable futures and how they are being wiped away by the current crisis. And how Angel can be either loyal to the girl ( and tell her everything and then loose the war together with her) or loyal to the world - and save it by keeping the secret and pushing Buffy to ascend. There was nothing there said about opening of the skies and raining demons. I assume that will be explained later. And yeah - Angel is courting Riley on PtBs request. |
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Post by 47kwest on Aug 18, 2010 13:47:00 GMT -5
Well all bets are off now, it's obvious that anything Idw does now won't matter. The PtB are so ambiguous still, I don't think there's any way to guess what happens next. But if I'm not mistaken this is the first time the PTB have come up in Buffy's storyline. Hmmm...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 13:53:59 GMT -5
So what I'm gathering from this is that there is STILL an unknown Big Bad out there who's causing all the bad stuff happening to the world... and Buffy and Angel's ascension is not tied to the destruction, but rather the PTB's way of trying to stop it?
That would certainly be an interesting twist. Still doesn't explain Angel's seemingly enthusiastic and regret-free embracing of the Twilight persona and all the pain and innocent death he caused. But there's still 5 issues to go.
I find myself really kind of hoping that Wolfram & Hart are the ones behind this Apocalypse. The news that the Angel franchise is moving back to Dark Horse makes this more likely. This season may end with both the Fraypocalypse and the Shanshu.
ETA: If Amy, Warren and the General are secretly planning to kill Buffy and Angel and the others even now, it must mean they're working for whatever is causing the Apocalypse.
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Post by jellymoff on Aug 18, 2010 14:00:44 GMT -5
Off 1st read, this issue falls into the "fine" category. I enjoyed reading it, but it didn't really tell us much of anything. We get to see Riley do pretty much what we already know he did. The Whistler appearance was probably the most interesting part for me; it makes me think that there might be hope for Angel, seeing another "Good Guy" behind the Twilight plan.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 14:14:40 GMT -5
If the PTB's plan was to let the demons and disaster have the existing earth, and then start over with Buffy and Angel (as Angel seems to think was the case), then that certainly would be shockingly cold and uncaring on their part. It also means that Buffy is now intent on winning a war the PTB's themselves wrote off as unwinnable.
And when she succeeds... proof that only we lowly humans are qualified to chart our own destiny.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Aug 18, 2010 14:19:32 GMT -5
But not terribly out-of-character. These are the Powers That Sit On Their Be-Hinds, after all. Non-interference is status quo for them (and why we were supposed to be very suspicious of Jasmine in Angel S4).
Unwinnable war? Pfft, just another word for "apocalypse" and that's just another word for "bad day at the office" for Buffy.
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Post by Dorotea on Aug 18, 2010 14:20:57 GMT -5
Er, AC,
There is a section in this issue when Angel complains to Whistler and says he hates the 'plan' and is there is any other way - and he is firmly said no. So, if anything he is not enthusiastic.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 14:55:11 GMT -5
There is a section in this issue when Angel complains to Whistler and says he hates the 'plan' and is there is any other way - and he is firmly said no. So, if anything he is not enthusiastic. But that really doesn't square with the way he talked and acted during the whole of season 8, right up to and including the ascension. He didn't seem to be doing any of it very reluctantly. Of course, souled Angel has never had much trouble playing the role of a villain, but this time he was doing more than playing a role... he was sure-enough killing innocents and heroes by the hundreds. And as recently as the last issue, feeling pretty damned good about it all. So if this was just a matter of the PTB's convincing him rather than brainwashing or controlling him, I'm still deeply confused and disturbed by his actions. |
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Post by 47kwest on Aug 18, 2010 15:08:46 GMT -5
Are we forgetting how Angel let Fred die to save thousands? Actually both he and Spike let that happen. Is it really such a stretch for him to say now he has to let( willing soldiers) die to save the Earth? This is not the same as Jasmine. She was " supposedly" saving millions from themselves, Angel was told he will definately save millions from something else.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 15:13:37 GMT -5
Are we forgetting how Angel let Fred die to save thousands? Actually both he and Spike let that happen. Is it really such a stretch for him to say now he has to let( willing soldiers) die to save the Earth? This is not the same as Jasmine. She was " supposedly" saving millions from themselves, Angel was told he will definately save millions from something else. Sure I remember. In this case, however, he seems to be willing to let billions die to save himself and Buffy and their precious new genome, to start over there in Dr. Seuss Land. Even if he believes it to be unavoidable, it's not a good thing, and certainly not something to be so psyched about, as he seems to be. |
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