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Post by kaleidoscope on Feb 3, 2010 8:36:58 GMT -5
I haven't read issue 28, so I have no idea if he was too sleezy or not, or just joking since he knew no one would allow him (although, if he used that line, I don't think we need to see womanizing Spike for a few issues, we had plenty) but he's definitly sexual and likes to get his. But I believe can be a one-woman-guy if the right girl comes along. But he had a harem in After the fall, so we can't forget slutty Spike. I mean he dresses like a prostitute who's prefers men. I can't not expect him to be slutty I fully expect Spike is going to have female company in the Angelverse comics and I don't really mind if the relationships have a bit of emotional depth, but I do have concerns that the womanising is becoming a defining characteristic and that we're really beginning to see too much of it. Spike's a character with many layers and I don't want to see him defined by just this. I mean, I don't know the setting of the Chris Cross pictures yet, but my immediate reaction was a sigh of resignation. On the harem in After the Fall, well it wasn't my favourite storyline ever for Spike, but I believe that at least Brian made it believable by the way he set things up in Spike:After the Fall. I mean, I could believe why Spike was really in a strange place emotionally after the events we saw transpire there.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 3, 2010 9:28:18 GMT -5
(I bet him having to seduce women instead of dragging them into alley's and raping them, which I expect he did a lot, made him less eager to sleep with others, and settled with Harmony) Not true. We already saw him in action seducing: remember Sheila in School Hard, his line to Willow "I hate being obvious. All fang-y and "rrrr!" Takes the mystery out. " (The Initiative). Even Angel said to Fred (AtS S5) that Spike could be very charming, not to mention his "nice skirt" to Harmony. Sorry, Sky, I really need to defend my vamp. What exactly are you disagreeing on? You think he had as much sex as he did after the chip as before? Or that he preferred voluntary sex to rape? I know he can be charming (not that the Willow/Spike scene shows anything about his charm to me, he was just explaining that he likes to play the bloodlust cool, and not show who he wants to bite), but I also know that he oftens has zero patience. So I figure, even though he could charm people both before and after the chip, he didn't always bother. And it's not really about defending your vamp, we just have personal views on the character. Mine isn't more right than yours, since we don't reflly know all that much about Spike's sex life, so no need to apologize. On the harem in After the Fall, well it wasn't my favourite storyline ever for Spike, but I believe that at least Brian made it believable by the way he set things up in Spike:After the Fall. I mean, I could believe why Spike was really in a strange place emotionally after the events we saw transpire there. I still wonder how they ended up like that. Did Spike take command, said he would lead them, and then they discovered he was hot and started dotting(is that the word) on him? They seem able to defend myself, so my immediate fear that he had made sex slaves was killed pretty quickly, but how did he get all of them to dress like that? Were they so used to doing Non's bidding they figured they might as well continue.? I know Spike's hot, and a lot of those women, maybe all, were demons and might have grown up in different cultures so they're not all "feminist this, feminist that", but it still amazes me how he got all of them to dress and act like that(not that we get to know all of them, but it seemed like that all liked Spike that way).
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Post by kaleidoscope on Feb 3, 2010 10:04:50 GMT -5
On the harem in After the Fall, well it wasn't my favourite storyline ever for Spike, but I believe that at least Brian made it believable by the way he set things up in Spike:After the Fall. I mean, I could believe why Spike was really in a strange place emotionally after the events we saw transpire there. I still wonder how they ended up like that. Did Spike take command, said he would lead them, and then they discovered he was hot and started dotting(is that the word) on him? They seem able to defend myself, so my immediate fear that he had made sex slaves was killed pretty quickly, but how did he get all of them to dress like that? Were they so used to doing Non's bidding they figured they might as well continue.? I know Spike's hot, and a lot of those women, maybe all, were demons and might have grown up in different cultures so they're not all "feminist this, feminist that", but it still amazes me how he got all of them to dress and act like that(not that we get to know all of them, but it seemed like that all liked Spike that way). I think that they dressed the way they wanted to, they seemed to zero in on Spike because they genuinely believed that he could get them out of Hell. His defeat of Non convinced them that he was pretty special. If they had decided en-masse that they wanted to leave Spike he wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. The alliance had mutual benefit to both really, Spike had been unable to protect his original flock because he didn't have the resources, once he had trained the ladies he had an army and the ladies could protect themselves as well. Got to give them credit, they went down fighting in a cause they probably didn't believe in out of affection for Spike which showed real character development whilst Spike came out of their 'alliance' looking a whole lot less shiney.
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Post by Kratos on Feb 3, 2010 11:28:51 GMT -5
Yeah gotta agree with Ubi4soft and Kaleidoscope on this one. Raping was Angelus's shtick and he was proud of it. While i don't doubt that Spike did try it, in the end just like how both vamps expressed their evilness(Angelus master of torture and loves breaking people mentally, Spike expert fighter loves the challenge of battles he might lose.), Spike chose another way. One that even Angel remembers which is charming his way trough a woman's defenses. I can see Spike draining her while in the heat of passion, probaly something to do with making the blood all the more sweeter when he kills her. I don't think Spike ever had trouble getting women into his bed pre-,after-chip/soul. Yet that was never what Spike was about and i really don't get this slutty busniss, if anyone is the slut it's Angel. About after the fall, i always took the harem as their cover for Spike's saving operation before Angel ruined it. I don't think he slept with any of those women expect Spider and that was in part because he was trying to save his flock. Which just goes to show you how desperate he was to save them. I still don't believe that a new love intrest can be introduced, Spike/Buffy is left too open. Especially now that we know that Spike be coming back on Buffy, if Joss deems it closed then fine, but only Joss. And no offense Brian but Spike deserves a hell of a lot better then Illyria or Spider. I mean he dresses like a prostitute who's prefers men. I can't not expect him to be slutty What?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 3, 2010 11:48:09 GMT -5
Ia gree, it's unlikely that Spike will get a new love interest on the basis that Joss might want to use Spike one day, and in that case, he can't really get tied down that way. Too bad. And no offense Brian but Spike deserves a hell of a lot better then Illyria or Spider. Well, to be fair, it's not exactly like either one were suppose to be love interests. Illyria and Spike didn't have anything between them, Illyria just wanted to get Spike's attention with that kiss(maybe some leftover attraction Fred had for Spike, who knows), and Spider was, best case senario, just a way for Spike to take his minds of things/a allied. Oh come on. The hair, the outfit? Screams "I hang out in gay clubs and am fine with being the submissive". His pouty lips and sharp cheekbones also make me see gay fun in his future. Maybe all those Spander and Spangelus fics damaged me. In the good way of course.
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Post by Kratos on Feb 3, 2010 12:16:27 GMT -5
Ia gree, it's unlikely that Spike will get a new love interest on the basis that Joss might want to use Spike one day, and in that case, he can't really get tied down that way. Too bad. Yep, i mean just look at what at Buffy's romantic life has been so far. I think there is a chance that both are being left open for a future hookup. Slept a few times with Satsu, while very much enjoying herself she wasn't inlove with her. Expressed having a crush on Xander, which he totally did not buy and seeing that Xander/Dawn are serious together i don't think b/x will ever happen. And now we know who Twilight is and that he's the bigbad. Spike/Buffy is the only unresolved relationship left. Oh come on. The hair, the outfit? Screams "I hang out in gay clubs and am fine with being the submissive". His pouty lips and sharp cheekbones also make me see gay fun in his future. Yeah, i think you mentioned something about this last time and i still don't get it. Spike's current wardrobe comes from his punk days. The whole devil may care attitude and not giving f§ék on how he looks, the eternal rebel. It was only in season7 of Buffy when he wore the black leather coat again that he was stuck in an all black ensemble. Thank god they gave him a red shirt in after the fall 17 and Always darkest of Buffy. Hopefully Spike will also have an evolving wardrobe in the future. Gay and submissive are hardly the words i would use to describe Spike but go ahead Sky, i won't begrudge you your fantasy Maybe all those Spander and Spangelus fics damaged me. In the good way of course. Is there any other way? Yeah, didn't think so. ;D
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 3, 2010 12:21:46 GMT -5
I have to admit tough, I like the idea of Spike in command better than him being submissive. (Of course, even when he was Buffy's lapdog and when he was pushed around by Angelus, he wasn't weak.) I should stop now, since this is a family friendly board.
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Post by winterdreamer on Feb 3, 2010 13:39:22 GMT -5
My take on the whole slutty!Spike thing is....a bit convoluted. Ok, I dont think its ever been in question that Spikes' a bit...wild, I mean, yes he stuck with Dru for a looong time, but I expect they had their share of fun with each other/everyone in the vicinity willing or not. The only time he really calmed down was in season 7 of BtVS, and he was in a pretty bad headspace for the party scene anyway..... I think the return to 'slutdom' is based a lot around wat he said to Angel in the 'boys and their toys' arc.(about not knowing what to do with his unlife now he was on his own) Spike is always at his moral best when he has something to do....a clear path with a goal at the end. Hence while fighting with the scoobies, or with team Angel~he had a clear goal & guidance. Now he's been cut loose & I suspect is just passing time with whoever is willing. The 'he would never!' card is a bit odd....the guy bedhops with whoever is in the area half the time. (Harmony! ) In all the Spike comic series' so far he's been shown to have a fairly one-track mind for things, wanting to go 'shower' with Anna in Asylum, apparently partying it up with the showgirls post Shadow Puppets....I think its just a character facet thats always been there, he's just having fun with it for now. Personaly I think its a riot. That said I'm guessing the Spike onngoing series will (probably?) give him some direction again...but I wouldnt expect his overactive libido to just go away, its been a part of him from day one.
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Post by Billie Erin on Feb 11, 2010 8:21:43 GMT -5
I agree with Skytteflickan88, despite the fact that seeing Spike get serious with any woman makes me feel jealous on Buffy's behalf I think his decision to sleep with Harmony as soon as he became corporeal shows us just how slutty he is and I'd like to see that womanising side a little bit more. Hope it comes up in this series!
On the subject of gay experimentation when it was put to Joss in an interview whether Spike and Angel ahd ever experimented, his reply was along the lines of "well they're both open-minded guys and they lived together for a long time . . ."
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Post by Kratos on Feb 13, 2010 10:17:46 GMT -5
Scott: As for the continuity being made to jibe, steps have been taken.A good question from Moscow Watcher, Scott's answer makes me hope that Brian got a headsup on where the Spike character is going. Not counting on Bill from the ongoing Angel series because he made his point quite clear in that disrespectful response to Twilight's reveal. I agree with Skytteflickan88, despite the fact that seeing Spike get serious with any woman makes me feel jealous on Buffy's behalf I think his decision to sleep with Harmony as soon as he became corporeal shows us just how slutty he is and I'd like to see that womanising side a little bit more. Hope it comes up in this series!; Really disagree, Spike is a very physical person he loves to fight and to have sex. Both of these things he was unable to do for months. "Can't drink, smoke, diddle my willy", "Try bobbin' around with no touch or taste or smell. Not many fates worse than that, I'd wager.". He already had a sexual past with Harmony so he knew he could get it fast. And that's just the thing, his failed sex with Harmony is the only sex he had in the whole season. Hardly seems the slutty type as some are trying to make him out to be. Even Angel had more action in that season, Eve and Nina. I see his womanizing more as Brian's take on the Spike character and will hopefully be toned down in the future. On the subject of gay experimentation when it was put to Joss in an interview whether Spike and Angel ahd ever experimented, his reply was along the lines of "well they're both open-minded guys and they lived together for a long time . . ." That was on the joss commentary of The girl in question. All i have to say is it must have not been that good for either of them because it was only once. ;D
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 13, 2010 10:31:38 GMT -5
I agree with Skytteflickan88, despite the fact that seeing Spike get serious with any woman makes me feel jealous on Buffy's behalf I think his decision to sleep with Harmony as soon as he became corporeal shows us just how slutty he is and I'd like to see that womanising side a little bit more. Hope it comes up in this series!; Really disagree, Spike is a very physical person he loves to fight and to have sex. Both of these things he was unable to do for months. "Can't drink, smoke, diddle my willy", "Try bobbin' around with no touch or taste or smell. Not many fates worse than that, I'd wager.". He already had a sexual past with Harmony so he knew he could get it fast. And that's just the thing, his failed sex with Harmony is the only sex he had in the whole season. Hardly seems the slutty type as some are trying to make him out to be. Even Angel had more action in that season, Eve and Nina. I see his womanizing more as Brian's take on the Spike character and will hopefully be toned down in the future. It's never stated that that was the only time he had sex, so I believe that he got around a lot. He's a very sexual being, and I very much doubt that between the fighting and drinking and going to strip clubs (I doubt he only went to the strip club that one time) he doesn't pick anyone up. Of course, that's my take on the character. Maybe I'm trying to fit him into my mold of "Bad boy". After all, what we saw is; other than Harmony, he hit on one woman (Wesley & Gunn hears about how Spike invited a woman to listen to some music with him in one ep) in season 5. And the scantily clad Spikettes in After the fall could be a cover (tricking everyone to think Spike was just interested in sex, hiding the fact he was saving people) and he didn't do anyone of them, so maybe he doesn't get around as often as I think (my guess would be once a week, since I expect his drinking and fighting takes up a lot of time too).
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Post by Kratos on Feb 13, 2010 11:28:29 GMT -5
It's never stated that that was the only time he had sex, so I believe that he got around a lot. Actually it was. He was interupted after he says one. Couple that with neither Spike or Angel ever falling in love or having a male boyfriend makes it quite clear to me that Spike is straight. Angel had more gay-subtext with the vampire Penn who he sired and shaped in his image and Lawson. He's a very sexual being, and I very much doubt that between the fighting and drinking and going to strip clubs (I doubt he only went to the strip club that one time) he doesn't pick anyone up. As Lindsey/Doyle sarcasticly said When Spike commented on the crappy bed in his new apartment. Even Lindsey knew Spike well enough to know he's only about one woman, Buffy. Before Angel was cancelled the hope of Spike/Buffy was almost non-excistant for Angel could have continued running for several seasons more with Spike stuck there. Angel however got canceled and now there is nothing stopping Spike from returning to Buffy. Of course, that's my take on the character. Maybe I'm trying to fit him into my mold of "Bad boy". After all, what we saw is; other than Harmony, he hit on one woman (Wesley & Gunn hears about how Spike invited a woman to listen to some music with him in one ep) in season 5. And the scantily clad Spikettes in After the fall could be a cover (tricking everyone to think Spike was just interested in sex, hiding the fact he was saving people) and he didn't do anyone of them, so maybe he doesn't get around as often as I think (my guess would be once a week, since I expect his drinking and fighting takes up a lot of time too). I hardly think that's making a pass at someone. As he said in season 7, Spike talked to a lot of women, he had not trouble picking them up but he never slept with any of them, he just wanted to have company. Hell he even turned down a fully willing Anya in s7. Best example would be that first woman he saves in Soul purpose, if like so many here believe him to be such a slut, he would have made a pass or as Brian's Spike would do, akwardly engage/convince her to have sex. She was a rather attractive looking woman, yet what did we see Spike do? He insulted her and damn well made sure she wouldn't do anything that stupid again, calling her a half-wit,moron,retard and a stupid cow. Hardly the actions of a man that screws anything in its path or looking for sex around every corner. I consider After the fall to be Brian's Spike and not on the same level as Joss's Spike and i eagerly await Spike's return on Buffy. It's nothing personal Brian but like my question in the recent Scott Q&A. This was exactly what i feared would happen when Spike was moved to the last season of Angel(which was still fine in Spike's portrayel). It's the comics that really failed imo, having the character being held back as Angel's annoying little brother that can't do anything right and is portrayed as always being second best. I have seen this opinon appear on several forums now so i know i'm not the only one that is feeling this dissapointment.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 13, 2010 11:57:44 GMT -5
I was talking about how it's never stated that he only slept with Harmony in season 5, like you said. I wasn't talking about "that one time". I hardly think that's making a pass at someone. This is the line: "WESLEY: Angel never left his penthouse. (reads) Vigilante reportedly killed 2 vampires at a gas station, then asked the women he saved if they'd, quote, like to get a bottle of hootch and listen to some Sex Pistols records with him." Sounds like a invite to me. I never said he'd be looking for sex all the time. In fact, I said I thought it could be about once a week. But that still counts as slutty in my book. Not that I think that casual sex is a bad thing, but I would be lying if I didn't say Spike's most likely the slutty kind. He might want Buffy, but even when he's in love, he gets around (threatening to rape Willow in Lover's walk when he still wanted Drusilla back, having sex with Harmony when he was in love with Buffy, telling Buffy he was going home with the goth chick in Hell's bells). And I think Spike rather insult someone he considered stupid than immediatly have sex with her, even if she's attractive, like in that scene. Specially considering he knows he's hot, and there's plenty of fishes in the sea. He's not exactly Joey on Friends. He can use the upstairs brain when he wants to.
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Post by Kratos on Feb 13, 2010 13:24:32 GMT -5
I was talking about how it's never stated that he only slept with Harmony in season 5, like you said. I wasn't talking about "that one time". I just can't assume things like that, the fact is we only saw him engage sex with Harmony once and that was interrupted before he was finished. And it falls in line from where he was in his life at that moment(months of being a ghost). Yeah, like i said Spike loves/needs company. Did they have had sex? Who knows. But as evident in season7 Spike went with a lot of women only wanting their company(when triggered the first had him kill them ofcourse) but as far as Spike was concerned he was just passing time because he couldn't be with Buffy. And in the original script of that episode(Soul pupose)he was also supposed to ask the man and woman he saves if they wanted to go get a drink with him. Again by reasoning this means he wants to have sex with both of them. For Spike it's just having company. I can't assume that. Unless there were signs of it on the show, a simple mentioning, but there wasn't. And i don't believe that it falls in line with Spike's character. So for me Spike does not equal slutty. Nothing wrong with casual sex. All those examples, you have to see where Spike was in his life. Lover's walk, he was just betrayed and heartbroken, he threatens to kill/rape Willow i believe because he forces her to do his bidding. No one would take him seriously in his state so he was overcompensating. In future season he will admit finding Willow attractive. But again if he was the superslut he could have just raped her when he was evil. He was with Harmony before he realized that he was in love with Buffy, and after that he had Harmony dress up like Buffy. Just because one realizes their feelings doesn't mean that they are ready to accept it. Buffy is the perfect example of this, constantly denying the connection between her and Spike up until the last season. Spike was the same, he was evil and wasn't supposed to love Buffy the slayer of his kind. Goth chick, nothing was said about having sex with her, she was just used to try and make Buffy jealous. He mentions going home with her and doubles back after seeing Buffy's hurt expression and then confirms it again. Nothing is said/shown as to what follows next. So i think everybody can make up their own story there. What i believe happend is that he simply ditched her after the wedding, she had served her purpose(making Buffy jealous) and he was done with her.
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Post by VampSlayer on Apr 7, 2010 15:11:12 GMT -5
Hmm, I'm getting excited, all over again. xD
I've been thinking about the 'Main Cast' for this series, and I think there are so many great potential characters to use! The ones I hope come along as mains are: Spike, Beck, Betta George, and Jeremy. I wouldn't mind seeing Tok around, but I'm not sure why/how she'd be there. Jeremy(As we saw in #26/27) is fond of Spike, and has a good chance of stalking following him around him. I'd love to see some good drama; Like Jeremy's fiancée giving him hell, for trying to tag along with Spike. That said, I hope Jeremy acts more like his AtF persona, as I enjoyed it much more than his #26/27 self.
I think Beck and George are a given. As they were both popular, and have a reason for sticking around with Spike.
The one character from Angel's Team, that I'd like to see with Spike, is Illyria. I think she would have a good spot on Spike's gang. Problem is, I'm not sure if that'd be okay with the Angel Titled Series, as Illyria seems to have a big arc going on over in those issues at the moment. I'd love to see Illyria and Spike's relationship grow, as it's very interesting.
Another I thought about was Groo. Love him to pieces, I do. xD He would be way neat to see with Spike.
Annnnnnnnnna Spider. Never got into her character, but never had a problem with her either. If she's within Spike's group, that's fine with me, as well.
With all of that said, I really cannot wait for this series. The Main Angel Book is falling downhill quickly, and is doing Spike no good. SPIKE will be the change the Angelverse needs, as I know Brian will keep Spike in-character(As well as everyone else), and will use his own, amazing, original characters. We readers need new characters to connect to. For me, the Angelverse has changed greatly: Team Angel is so different now, and now Spike is going to have his own, hit gang. I think SPIKE is going to turn a lot of things around, for the better; Exactly what this fandom needs at the moment.
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Post by neowhobaz on Apr 15, 2010 11:43:31 GMT -5
I'm curious too see what if anything Brian does with Spike's role in Buffy season eight. Obviously he has free reign when it comes to the Spike series but since the Buffy issues with Spike will most likely be out before the Spike series maybe there will be a way he can biuld on whats being done in buffy.
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Post by winterdreamer on Apr 15, 2010 16:39:13 GMT -5
I'm curious too see what if anything Brian does with Spike's role in Buffy season eight. Obviously he has free reign when it comes to the Spike series but since the Buffy issues with Spike will most likely be out before the Spike series maybe there will be a way he can biuld on whats being done in buffy. Its crossed my mind a time or two that could be one of the reasons the Spike ongoing was initially delayed. (wasn't it first 'forecast' for early 2010?) Maybe Spike does get up to something a bit character-changing in season 8 & the PTB decided it would be best to work it into the series? (and then we got 'The devil you know' as a consolation prize on the late start?) All speculation an' happenstance, but it does make a bit of sense....
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Post by neowhobaz on Apr 15, 2010 18:15:06 GMT -5
Especially with spike burning Twilight mask image. Granted i'm sure it was done jokingly by lynch and urru but I can't help but think Spike will be against Angel's protecting buffy by hurting her the least plan. In fact Spike has never seemed much like the do things subtle for the greater good type. He seems like for the most part (wit ha few excepetions like in "just rewards") the type to do things head on and without worrying about finesse or subtlety.
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Post by Billie Erin on Apr 16, 2010 15:10:46 GMT -5
^^^^Plus he's madly in love with Buffy and has a natural rivalry with Angel so issue #34 will be a heartbreaker for him you'd think. He deserves to be enraged
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Post by henzINNIT on Apr 17, 2010 14:34:44 GMT -5
Not sure what the hell Lynch is gonna do with this title with all of the wierdness going on with Buffy. I wonder how tight lipped Joss is about Spike's possible involvement.
About Spike the "playa", he's a bit of a contradiction so I can understand the seperate views. Lindsey's comment that Spike wouldn't be sharing a bed doesn't really mesh with what we've seen of his relationship with Harmony.
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