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Post by patxshand on Jun 21, 2010 20:24:15 GMT -5
I take it you're not a fan, Pat? Why does Bill Willingham have Illyria second guessing her language in every extended passage of dialogue she has? She has complete access to Fred's brain, hence her being able to speak English. When has she ever faltered? Asked a human for their linguistic opinion? And, um... is there any motivation behind Laura being really uptight about her room? There better be. Because if not, no reason for her completely awkward reaction to Spike. Spike and Connor actually sounded good. Unfortunately, after last issue--which was good--I expected a lot more. Granted, it's a few pages, but... eek. Also, what's up with the coloring? Looks so smudged and splotchy.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 21, 2010 20:34:45 GMT -5
The art is just plain bad. The lines are fuzzy and smudgy. The colors are disgustingly bad. It's blocks of flat bright colors offset by pallid neutral tones.
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Post by patxshand on Jun 21, 2010 20:59:22 GMT -5
Elena is a wonderful artist. It *has* to be to coloring, mixed with the bad quality of the preview. Even look at the bubbles. But yeah, the coloring is awful.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 21, 2010 21:32:08 GMT -5
Well, the inker should be replaced too. Quality of the preview aside (and I don't understand why IDW always releases such low res images for EVERYTHING), the inks are sloppy. I've heard you sing Elena Casagrande praises before, but so far, her work on this run is being marred by sloppy inking and crappy coloring.
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Post by patxshand on Jun 21, 2010 23:32:09 GMT -5
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Post by wenxina on Jun 21, 2010 23:44:02 GMT -5
I do remember those pieces, and actually thinking that she had some talent that was being squandered on the episode adaptations. How the hell did they end up with such lousy inkers and colorists for the main title? I find it really upsetting, even though I quit the books way back after the Dru books.
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Post by Billie Erin on Jun 22, 2010 13:46:58 GMT -5
oooh don't want to jinx it but the preview seems to be working for me now. Illyria seems a little OOC: What more could a woman want?
She just wouldn't say something like that (a) she's not a woman and (b) the colloquialism is too human and natural
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Post by veiriti on Jun 22, 2010 15:05:33 GMT -5
oooh don't want to jinx it but the preview seems to be working for me now. Illyria seems a little OOC: What more could a woman want? She just wouldn't say something like that (a) she's not a woman and (b) the colloquialism is too human and natural Illyria is not a "little OOC" she's totality OOC!!! And yeah, Illyria is not a woman - if you remember Illyria said of itself, "I am Illyria, KING-GOD of the Premordium!!!" Well, she\he\it is in Fred's "smoking hot" body, but when that ancient King-God possessed Fred's body all her organs were liquefied, so she\it\he has no internal reproductive organs at all - it's only a shell!!! A beautiful woman's shell, which is a vessel of that Premordium King-God! So another Willingham's "bright idea" is absolutely silly!!! I doubt that man has never watched the show... I’ve hoped the Angel series will get better, but unfortunately they’re getting worst and worst! Illyria, another character that I love is totally OOC and trashed as Spike has been trashed before... and I'm done with that comics... Even the AU fan fics of the Buffy\Angel verse have more sense than this...
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 23, 2010 1:06:04 GMT -5
Uh, the correct term would be 'God-King'. Also, Illyria seemed a little feminine in Only Human. Could be just me though. And I doubt 'God-Queen' sounds as impressive as 'God-King'. King has always been higher up than Queen. Besides, I've always thought of Illyria as female, whether in Fred's body or not. Even when she was as her pure demon self, I thought of her as female. It's probably the pink and purple colouring...
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Post by veiriti on Jun 23, 2010 2:13:33 GMT -5
Uh, the correct term would be 'God-King'. Also, Illyria seemed a little feminine in Only Human. Could be just me though. And I doubt 'God-Queen' sounds as impressive as 'God-King'. King has always been higher up than Queen. Besides, I've always thought of Illyria as female, whether in Fred's body or not. Even when she was as her pure demon self, I thought of her as female. It's probably the pink and purple colouring... Yep, God-King, correct, thanks Night Lord! I don’t know… maybe The Old Ones have no sex… or they are bi-sexual. ![](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/lol.gif) And you’re right Illyria seemed a little feminine in Only Human and not only in Only Human… I don’t think that she seems to sound as female, so all her words on the Willingham comics sound wrong to me… And entire scene with Connor is wrong to me… What if Illyria to implant his/her embryos, spores, whatever in Connor’s body and Connor to get pregnant and to wear out their offspring – it would be fun!!! And here is an extra page of the issue 34. www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1006/22/angel346.htmI have to admit Spike sounds like Spike here and about the prophesy it’s interesting; maybe it’s not only for Angel after all… it’s for a vampire with a soul – the personality of the vampire is not specified. And I’ve re-read the scene in ATF – actually Wesley said to Gunn that the prophesy is not for him, but for Angel, maybe Wesley wanted to say – it’s for Angel because he is a vampire with a soul. Gunn wanted to be a vampire-champion and to get the Shanshu, but he had no soul so he cannot fulfill the Shanshu… Well, maybe I’m overreacted, but I’m so worried about Spike’s character in these series, I have no faith in Willingham and I think he’s mocking with Spike – all that I’ve heard about these fake prophesies, Spike’s envy to Angel and etc… So I was terrified by the cover of issue 37 – it seems to me like a bad joke, as an attempt of the author to trash Spike’s character again in the favor of the other character(s). p.s. I like the art, it’s much better than Spike The Devil you know art…
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Post by wenxina on Jun 23, 2010 7:50:59 GMT -5
Illyria may not be female per se, but she (let's just use the more visual pronoun for now) is assimilating Fred's memories. Sparks. That would feminize her in a way. I don't really have a problem attributing the more masculine sounding "God-King" to a woman, though. Won't be the first time that a traditionally masculine term was used for a feminine figure. See Glory, who was described as a "Hell-God", not "goddess". So, in all fairness to Willingham, that's fine. Also, yes, Fred's organs were liquified to make way for Illyria, but to make way for what? I don't remember seeing Fred's organs leaking out of her. Why couldn't Illyria have reassembled within, forming her own unique systems? I mean, if all Illyria really is is a hollow shell, then she's pretty much a bug. Filled with gooeyness. Which then reminds me of THIS ridiculous "debate" that Wyndam and hitnrun017 had back in the day. Enjoy the silliness that ensues when those two get together. ![:)](http://premium1.uploadit.org/Flipsidephilly/emotes/smile.gif)
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 23, 2010 8:50:16 GMT -5
Regardless of whether Illyria CAN have sex, and regardless of whether she would WANT to, and regardless of whether she would want to do it WITH CONNOR...
Of all the possible Angelverse storylines, this is really among the ones I least want to see.
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Post by jellymoff on Jun 23, 2010 11:42:43 GMT -5
Maybe we'll get a whole issue of Angel of Connor and Illyria doing it ala Season 8. That's something everyone wants to see, right?
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Post by wenxina on Jun 23, 2010 12:01:25 GMT -5
As much as we wanted to see Angel/Connor/Cordelia in a menage a trois. ETA: The Comics Continuum page linked by veiriti actually contains higher quality images than the CBR one.
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Post by neowhobaz on Jun 23, 2010 14:17:42 GMT -5
Well I got this and as a person committed to ride out the series for better or worse this issue was...close to an episode. It would be close to an episode where people would love the sillyness of it or think it detracts from the overall story.
So basically everyone has sex this issue. Under magical influences which is why I said it was like an episode. It reminded of the sex Angel and Eve had in "Life of the party" except everyone was doing it. Plus side is that the Illyria/connor sex thing is resolved and i'm sure it will only come up again as a passing reference. Also we get another look of the new Big Bad. She's mysterious and makes you wonder what she wants from Team Angel
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 23, 2010 19:42:46 GMT -5
and it's funny because Illyria and Connor are the only two that DIDNT have sex. So anyways... here are the pairings Spike x Weathermill Angel x Kate x Dez Even the floating rock and Betta George had cute little intercourse. VERBAL intercourse, mind you
I found it very very funny.
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Post by VampSlayer on Jun 23, 2010 21:42:07 GMT -5
So this issue is... Good? O.O
I read about all of the sex and was all, "No way. Angel is doomed." But now I've read a bit more... Hmm.
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Post by neowhobaz on Jun 24, 2010 0:09:45 GMT -5
Yea just think of any instance in the verse where there was magically induced sex. Very nostalgic. If it was an ep it would have been great.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 24, 2010 0:49:43 GMT -5
Okay, so wait, Illyria and Connor DIDN'T have sex? *phew* So, if that happened, then what was her deal with wanting to mate with him?
Also, Angel had a threesome with Kate and Dez, right?
...lucky guy
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Post by veiriti on Jun 24, 2010 4:01:59 GMT -5
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