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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 25, 2008 21:38:26 GMT -5
Only way I can see Tara brought back:
The spear pierces Willow's heart, and all fades to black. Then, in a flash, the white floods in, and through it comes a hand. She hears a voice she has not heard in quite some time.
"It's time to come home, baby."
We see a familiar face.
Then we see two hands clasping, and the scene changes.
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Post by patrick on Mar 25, 2008 21:44:11 GMT -5
Only way I can see Tara brought back: The spear pierces Willow's heart, and all fades to black. Then, in a flash, the white floods in, and through it comes a hand. She hears a voice she has not heard in quite some time. "It's time to come home, baby." We see a familiar face. Then we see two hands clasping, and the scene changes. ...to Joss Whedon being drawn and quartered. By me. Not kidding.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 25, 2008 21:51:02 GMT -5
Resurrections bother me, unless the resurrected people are zombies. Stories with people in them that are dead and stay dead don't. I've said it before, I'd like to see angel Anya. I wouldn't like to see everyone who's ever died on the show come back in any form, but just one dead person doing dead person things doesn't bother me. And a character death in the movie wouldn't bother me either. As long as they don't pull a, "Just kidding! She's fine."
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Post by KingofCretins on Mar 25, 2008 22:11:52 GMT -5
The point is, he wasn't lying when he decided not to do it, either.
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Post by Rachster on Mar 25, 2008 22:13:27 GMT -5
The point is, he wasn't lying when he decided not to do it, either. im glad he decided not to do it as much as i love tara that would have been a weird way for her to come back
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 25, 2008 22:14:27 GMT -5
I was just saying in the movie, the only way I could see Tara appearing is if Willow died. I know Joss thought of bringing her back, but this isn't Monty Python. Noone asked us to bring out our dead.
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Post by kershmuckit on Mar 25, 2008 22:48:22 GMT -5
Anyway after my big rant I would just like to point out and remind everyone that Tara is NOT REAL. She is played by Amber Benson who is an actress. Sorry to say this but it's true, oh and whilst I'm at it there is no Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy either. BtVS isn't real!? - so i guess we should all stop discussing everything right now.. Of course people are going to get impassioned about things, it wouldn't be realistic to tell them not to and you can hardly talk you seemed pretty 'impassioned' about your answer. I don't 100% agree with what mikey is saying..., but my personal opinion is Willow would drop kennedy for tara because whilst we've heard willow say she loves kennedy, i haven't /felt/ it. I mean, for one, willow/snake demon, i mean thats cheating, she did say she'd been naughty. I'm sure willow does love kennedy, i mean she's hot and likeable.. but did willow go up against a hell god for her? did she nurse her whilst she was insane, or try to destroy the world just because it hurt so bad she was gone. There is levels of love. Weigh that up against what we've seen to show how willow cares for ken, she keeps her away from buffy so she won't be killed, fair enough, i'd keep my cat away from someone if i thought it was going to be killed. She's told kennedy she loves her and she's had sex with her but I think tara's side is just much heavier, it's not hard to see why. Kennedy is so the riley to willow's buffy. Yes there is such a thing as moving on and it's something willow has been going through for a while, but i'd think it would be out of character for her to not hold onto her feelings for Tara, she is after all an intensely loyal person (if you don't agree i don't midn backing that up with some examples). I don't think the scene in issue 10 is the last we're gonna be hearing about tara from willow, she's not moved on in the way your implying (so much so that if tara was around again she wouldn't leave ken for her) even now, without tara being back she's a factor in willow and ken's relationship, infact it's causing tension, kennedy doesn't seem happy about being kept away from buffy and the mini slayers. Tara's death is still a storyline in the comic, it's gonna have to be addressed before will n buffy make up again, i think maybe when willow does bring kennedy to see buffy then that will be a starting point for her really moving on. But right now..., i don't think so. I haven't completely given up on the idea of tara coming back in the comics yet, simply because there's still room for it in there at the moment, tara's memory is still alive, willow is still missing her. Edit: oh and The point is, he wasn't lying when he decided not to do it, either. While speaking at the Wizard World Chicago Convention in August 2004, Joss Whedon claimed that he had planned to bring Tara back from the dead at the end of Season Seven. According to Whedon, the episode would have centered around Buffy being granted one "life-altering" wish. Buffy would have spent the whole episode trying to decide what she wanted to do with the wish (including, possibly, restoring Angel's humanity). The episode would have ended with Buffy telling Willow that she'd just gotten a great new pair of shoes, and when Willow asked her if she used up her wish on new shoes, Buffy would have said, "No, silly!" and stepped aside to reveal Tara. This plan was abandoned when Amber Benson was unavailable for filming. - straight from wikipedia The reason he gave for it not happening was no Amber Benson. I'm not saying it would of happened if she was, we'll never know but the reason he didn't do it wasn't because he decided the storyline wasn't worth doing.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 25, 2008 23:45:36 GMT -5
Anyway after my big rant I would just like to point out and remind everyone that Tara is NOT REAL. She is played by Amber Benson who is an actress. Sorry to say this but it's true, oh and whilst I'm at it there is no Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy either. it's santa/tooth fairy/ baby jesus, thank you VERY much. as my spiritual stfbj advisor says, know what your criticizing. how could you forget the baby jesus of my very own make-believe holy trinity? hrmph <walks off in a huff>
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 26, 2008 0:37:08 GMT -5
I am in the "keep Tara dead" camp. That's not to say she wouldn't be a cool ghost, or something. Hey! Maybe Willow found her on the astral plane?
It would be neato if she appeared in a dream, vision, or something as a guide for Willow. Similar to her role in Restless.
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Post by KingofCretins on Mar 26, 2008 6:57:59 GMT -5
Well of course... because if it's on Wikipedia... Only thing we have officially about a specific appearance by Amber Benson was that she turned down "Conversations with Dead People", and that *was not* a scheduling conflict.
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Post by patrick on Mar 26, 2008 7:14:03 GMT -5
So you think Joss has been lying to us all about his "Buffy's wish" scene? Well...yes!
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Post by kershmuckit on Mar 26, 2008 8:39:58 GMT -5
Well of course... because if it's on Wikipedia... Only thing we have officially about a specific appearance by Amber Benson was that she turned down "Conversations with Dead People", and that *was not* a scheduling conflict. He spoke about it directly at the Wizard World Chicago Convention. If you read what i said, i did not say it proved anything about her going to come back, it proved that we have no source of him saying 'i decided not to do it because it was a bad idea' Unless you have some kinda source saying differently can we just stop being petty now? - just to make things clear, if i seem annoyed it's not because of your opinion, i respect that, i just feel like you don't respect other people's opinions.
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Post by patrick on Mar 26, 2008 8:52:06 GMT -5
I am in the "keep Tara dead" camp. That's not to say she wouldn't be a cool ghost, or something. Hey! Maybe Willow found her on the astral plane? It would be neato if she appeared in a dream, vision, or something as a guide for Willow. Similar to her role in Restless. That's my position as well. I got Fred back. I'm not gonna push my luck.
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Post by KingofCretins on Mar 26, 2008 8:59:40 GMT -5
It still strikes me as an essentially hollow argument -- if he was absolutely, absolutely committed, that bringing Tara back was part of the story he must tell, he'd have done it without Amber, he'd have done it with a camera on Aly staring wide-eyed and smiling out of frame where Buffy stepped out of the way and saying "Tara?!" and, boom, episode out, season out. Or an act break, but we don't see Willow again because they explain that her and Tara ran off together.
And fans wouldn't have whined about it, since they can deal with actors having schedule problems. Point is, if Joss really wanted it done, it would have been done. I think it's almost open contempt for the story Joss is currently telling to basically ignore the effort he put into (the making-himself-cry effort) validating the Willow/Kennedy relationship in 8.10 to just go 'yeah yeah yeah, where's Tara already?' It's not like 'shipping someone with somebody else who's available, like Spike or Angel 'shippers will have a go at each other, or us Buffy/Xander fans still holding a torch for that. Tara is *dead*, and it's just somehow assumed or expected that she be brought back at some point.
In the context of a Buffy movie, then it just becomes about what's equitable -- why should only Tara get the special treatment? Why not Anya? Or Cordy? Or Jenny Calender? I mean, there are other unfulfilled relationships that could be restored in like fashion, right?
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 26, 2008 9:07:55 GMT -5
To address this again...I just think the argument at hand has gone on long enough for this topic. Tara being dead doesn't have anything to do with "Erasing Season 8"
If it is intended that she be brought back I think it would have already been done by now. That genie in a bottle wish thing could easily be done in the comic...but really...a genie? That's pretty lame if you ask me. Who is to even say Willow would still want Tara in the same way now-a-days? Oh well...a new topic should be started instead of going on and on about Tara in this one.
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Post by KingofCretins on Mar 26, 2008 9:16:37 GMT -5
But it must, if it was the first real suggestion anybody had for what would make it worth abandoning Season 8 and decanonizing it.
Something that did get me thinking, though... and I'm by no means endorsing this and would probably mock anyone who tried it... but as a law student, I'm fascinated by whether there are any legal implications to stripping Season 8 of it's "official continuation" status. Like, if readers could sue Joss and/or Dark Horse on some theory of product liability, or false advertising. That would be the definitive moment in fandom going Way Too Far. I think that, technically, it could actually hold up. It'd get thrown out mostly for being annoying (which happens more often than people would guess), but I think on paper it's a teneble theory. It would, at the very least, beat the hell out of the resale value of NM and mint copies of these books.
I would watch a canon Buffy movie that voids Season 8, I'd probably watch is several times. But it would piss me off if we were to see some of the real positive stuff get thrown out, too. Xander being cool, Satsu, Renee, Leah and her big hair, Twilight and his overwhelming awesomeness. A movie would have a tough standard to pass to qualify as 'worth it'.
Personally, I think if Joss can pull together a canon movie, he should just set it much later for these characters ("present day", as the show was), abandon his current Season 9 plan which we know nothing about, and keep Season 8 canon and just accept that we would know where it's going -- just like we did with "Serenity: Those Left Behind" and do with "Serenity: Better Days".
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Post by kershmuckit on Mar 26, 2008 9:52:11 GMT -5
It still strikes me as an essentially hollow argument -- if he was absolutely, absolutely committed, that bringing Tara back was part of the story he must tell, he'd have done it without Amber, he'd have done it with a camera on Aly staring wide-eyed and smiling out of frame where Buffy stepped out of the way and saying "Tara?!" and, boom, episode out, season out. Or an act break, but we don't see Willow again because they explain that her and Tara ran off together. And fans wouldn't have whined about it, since they can deal with actors having schedule problems. Point is, if Joss really wanted it done, it would have been done. I think it's almost open contempt for the story Joss is currently telling to basically ignore the effort he put into (the making-himself-cry effort) validating the Willow/Kennedy relationship in 8.10 to just go 'yeah yeah yeah, where's Tara already?' It's not like 'shipping someone with somebody else who's available, like Spike or Angel 'shippers will have a go at each other, or us Buffy/Xander fans still holding a torch for that. Tara is *dead*, and it's just somehow assumed or expected that she be brought back at some point. In the context of a Buffy movie, then it just becomes about what's equitable -- why should only Tara get the special treatment? Why not Anya? Or Cordy? Or Jenny Calender? I mean, there are other unfulfilled relationships that could be restored in like fashion, right? Your telling me not to ship the relationship now? dude. It ain't gonna happen, and as for the comic storyline your putting words in my mouth, you have no idea how i feel about the comic but i can tell you that there is 100% no contempt, so no, it's not open contempt. How can it be, when i have none!? To be honest i wouldn't even consider myself a 'shipper' willow and tara were my favourite couple on the show yeah, but i don't have my own militant w/t agenda here so don't make out I do. Yes tara is dead, point is i'm hoping she'll come back, if she doesn't, i won't be angry because i don't expect her to come back, but if she does i'll be happy. Your tottally taking what i'm saying out of context which is really frustrating. I never said joss was so dedicated to bringing tara back he was gonna do it without amber. I said he thought about it and there's no evidence he gave up on the idea because he thought it wasn't worth doing. Also i never said she should get special treatment..., i just said i would like it if she came back. I think people talk about it alot because she was a popular character and it was a popular relationship and how it ended was very sudden it didn't give fans a sense of closure. With the other dead charecters, they had honourable deaths all of them died being heros, tara just got shot for seemingly no reason, it was an accident, it makes it feel even more unfair. I mean that in a watching the show, this is how it felt way, not a grr writers that was unfair way. EDIT: took me so long to reply posts happened whilst i was replying. So, for the sake of no more arguing I won't say anything else about this now. King if you want to reply to me thats fine but maybe you should do it in PM.
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Post by angelmonster on Mar 26, 2008 13:15:10 GMT -5
If they did make a Buffy movie they wouldn't resurrect anyone with, maybe, the exception of Anya. For everyone else they had time to mourn their deaths on the show except for Anya. She would be the only one they would be able to bring back and not have to dedicate a lot of time to showing the reactions of all the characters. Whatever though, I hope all of them stay dead. all of the deaths changed the story when they happened and bringing them back would just make their deaths pointless.
Anyhoo as Is aid befor eI wouldn't leave the comics. Both can be made and have different storylines and I would be happy with reading the comic and seeing the movie. Truth be told the movie could just take place between the tv show and the comics and still not mess with continuity.
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Post by KingofCretins on Mar 26, 2008 17:06:47 GMT -5
But again, it's worth pointing out that that type of "foreknowledge" hasn't hurt the two "Serenity" mini-series.
The trick is, make the comics the story you "know" where it's going -- like "Serenity", set a Buffy movie *after* season 8, toss out Season 9 (or make it the movie?), and just let the audience absorb Season 8 as planned, just with the knowledge that it will end up in a certain place.
As for example, a Buffy movie comes out in October 2009 or April 2010 -- as information about the plot comes out, Season 8 is still going on (and will be, without skip months, until Summer 2010). So, by the time we see the movie, we'll know some straightforward details about Season 8 (whether there are still hundreds of Slayers, if the Scoobs are all still friends, if there are any relationships, etc), but we still won't know the *how*, and therefore Season 8 will still have a draw, and won't need to be decanonized.
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Post by Smashed on Mar 26, 2008 17:27:41 GMT -5
I'm going to make a Tara poll!
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