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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 5, 2008 14:32:24 GMT -5
Um... wow. I really have no idea what to say right now. I'm not opposed to it, I'm just confused. Why? Yes, Buffy is lonely and wants someone who cares about her, so she goes and sleeps with another woman? It does seem pretty out of character for her. I didn't expect it and I don't really see what the point of it was. I know I'm probably going to get hated on, but I just didn't like the whole thing. If it was any other character, I would of thought it was ok, but Buffy? I just don't know. BUt knowing Joss, everything will work out.
Overall, I didn't really like the issue. I did think everyone walking in and finding out was pretty hilarious, but other then that, it was pretty disppointing. Vampires with mystical abilities steal The Sycthe and Buffy slept with Satsu, wow. I did like the ending with Dracula and looking forward to seeing more of him. This is probably one of my least favs yet.
EDIT- Ok, after re-reading some parts in the comic and hearing other people's opinions, I'm really interested to see what comes out of it now.
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Post by Enisy on Mar 5, 2008 14:45:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's out of character, but so far it seems pointless to me, too, for reasons I mentioned earlier.
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Post by faith0tvs on Mar 5, 2008 14:54:09 GMT -5
Buffy sleeping with Satsu? Wow up until now i thought that the only woman who was a good match for B was Faith and not only cos Jane Espenson and Marti Noxon once hinted at it. I think that B is repeating herself, she's doing the exact smae thing she did with Spike in season 6, she's sleeping with Satsu in order to feel again and who's better to do that? Someone who loves her truly, madly, deeply and that person being Satsu
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Post by patrick on Mar 5, 2008 14:57:29 GMT -5
Let the story play out. Joss knows what he's doing. I wish I had your faith.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 5, 2008 15:04:13 GMT -5
Also, Renee was pretty annoying. I didn't care much for her. And Mr. Gordo! Could it be Mr. Gordo the 2nd?
EDIT: Changing my opinion, again. The first time I read, I was in a rush, but re-reading it again, much slowly this time, gave me a whole new perspective. I actually loved it, and found it really entertaining. The first time, I was just so thrown by Buffy sleeping with Satsu, that I didn't really take into consideration all of what Buffy was going through, and it does make pretty good sense. And I take back saying this was one of least favorite issues, and now saying it's one of the best. Happpy Drew is back!
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Post by Jinxieman on Mar 5, 2008 16:35:02 GMT -5
Buffy sleeping with Satsu? Wow up until now i thought that the only woman who was a good match for B was Faith and not only cos Jane Espenson and Marti Noxon once hinted at it. I think that B is repeating herself, she's doing the exact smae thing she did with Spike in season 6, she's sleeping with Satsu in order to feel again and who's better to do that? Someone who loves her truly, madly, deeply and that person being Satsu That is a REALLY good point. It is in Buffy's character to seek comfort and connection from someone she knows loves her even if she doesn't return those feelings. I mean look at how things turned out with those that she was in love/lust with. Angel, Parker, Riley...what kind of relationship does she currently have with them. Spike is the only other sexual relationship that ended on a good note...him saving the world and all.
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Post by endofautumn on Mar 5, 2008 16:36:33 GMT -5
Yeah i think its similar to the spike thing, except i dont think buffy will end up really emotionally attached to Satsu as she was with Spike.
Im not angry that its buffy with another woman, im just angry its with anyone right now. I mean most saw the satsu thing coming after the kiss, cinnamon gloss, the chat they had etc
i jsut feel like its been kinda pushed/forced, which is unlike Joss really.
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Post by dgryphon on Mar 5, 2008 16:44:14 GMT -5
Satsu = expected. However, after reading through Buffy's dialogue again, I think that she won't be doing what she did with Spike. While she apparently slept with Satsu for fairly similar reasons (to feel good), I think the big difference is that she and Satsu are friends already. The experimentation route seems normal, I suppose, but I will concede that it's a bit OOC for Buff.
I do have to take away points for adding more Buffy/Willow drama. They really don't need anything else to force them apart. But points go to Andrew!
Really, great start to the arc. I think I'm going to enjoy it more than No Future For You.
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Post by underbuffysspell on Mar 5, 2008 16:48:17 GMT -5
Ok sure the whole Buffy x Satsu thing was a bit unexpected...but still. Drew Goddard made a hell of a start. This is one of my top five issues right now.
I read from someone else's post about there being a male slayer.
There's a pro and con. Pro, because that'd just be cool. Con, because...well...didn't Joss say that the slayer was about the strength of a woman?? IDK.
Great issue though!
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 16:51:30 GMT -5
Hmmm...I have to agree, it seems a little OOC. I'm as open-minded as the next girl, and I loved Willow/Tara, but I just don't buy this, especially after Buff's conversation with Satsu in the last issue. Honestly, I don't like Satsu much at all. She's pretty much a cipher--we don't know anything about her other than the fact that she's a slayer, she's Asian, and she likes Buffy. I was sort of looking forward to a relationship-less Buffy for once.
And also, Joss's reliance on lesbian relationships is getting a little trite. Even Sugarshock had one, for chrissake! Does anyone else think it's a little odd that we've had a ton of lesbian relationships, and no overt gay male relationships? Having Andrew finally come out of the closet--THAT would be revolutionary. This just seems like a stunt.
Also, yeah, this issue read like 6-7 minutes of an episode, not a full ep. Naturally, the form creates some limitations, but I don't feel satisfied after reading this. By and large, ATF is a much better series--because it's staying true to the characters. Season 8 feels all over the place--maybe because, literally, it is.
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Post by sla on Mar 5, 2008 17:20:09 GMT -5
that was weird, i don't like it. i mean is not Buffy.
I don't know where this go, I'm shocked, though.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 5, 2008 17:47:38 GMT -5
I don't know what to think about this except Joss has forced this completley. He may have thought that it was a good idea but no, I like Willow/Tara and Andrew is hilarious so I don't know what to think except that it is just abit out of the blue....People will say that it is meant to feel like that because Buffy was shocked herself after it but I'm just not buying it Joss has always done his message of the day thing on the show. Like beer bad from season 4 or Suprise/Innonence from season 2, we are only 12 issue into season 8 and there has already been alot of messages to be sent out. Like don't cheat(Dawn turned into a giant) Don't steal(Simone and a gang of slayers started crime after Buffy stole) and now be careful if/when you experiment(Buffy and Satsu) Also I think Bufffy is abit old and should be past the whole experimenting age, she's either straight or she isn't. Willow relaised she was a lesbian in college fair enough but Buffy is in her mid twentys say 25-26.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 5, 2008 17:58:47 GMT -5
when i saw that page my jaw dropped. and then i smiled
i think this is completely IN character for Buffy. shes not a lesbian - although i think there is something there between her and Satsu, and that has to do with the fact that Buffy likes to feel loved. i dont think shell use Satsu like she did Spike because she learned that was wrong already. This is my favorite issue yet. i feel like finally something happened. And it was really funny too.
I think this whole arc is gonna be more about sexuality than the action with the vampires. Andrew's back, maybe he'll actually talk about his preference. Willow's here, and im sure she has something to say about Buffy's night. Xander is Dracula's manservant again, who knows what theyve done together in the past... not to mention Xan and Renee finally getting things going. I'm more excited for this arc now than i was before today. Before today i couldnt wait til july for the next ar but now im excited to see what happens.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 5, 2008 18:41:36 GMT -5
wow just wow...my reaction to buffy and satsu hooking up was exactly like buffy's on the page...er kinda. but i think that's all it will be - "hooking up". which is kinda sad for satsu because she actually loves buffy. it was shocking at first but the more i thought about it, it doesn't seem as OOC for buffy because she has a a history of looking past the "what" of a person and into the "who"...how else could she have had 2 relationships with vampires in the past? though i think it is beneath buffy to hook up with satsu when she knows satsu is way more emotionally invested, plus office romance complications abound...not that satsu isn't worthy, but that this smacks of being too convenient for buffy. i just see satsu getting hurt in the end, either emotionally b/c of buffy's behaviour or killed off by joss because she dared to sleep with the main protagonist this issue was hilarious and well a bit campy, but i loved it. the voices/dialogue of the characters rang true to me, more so than any issue before anyone else think buffy actually looked like buffy in this one? her face seems better drawn. everything about this felt genuine which is really odd considering the whole "buffy's bi/lesbian" theme ;\ there wasn't much action until the last pages with the japanese vamps, but i felt like the conversations felt more real and less forced (esp. considering buffy and satsu...wow) which i've been missing alot, wanting to see the emotional connection btn characters god this one keeps making me laugh, xander at his finest aw poor buffy, she's outed immediately haha
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Post by roguewarrior on Mar 5, 2008 18:46:41 GMT -5
I'm shocked, disappointed, and angry. I can't believe the writers did that. I'm glad that I read the spoiler, I'm NOT buying this comic. I'm not even sure if I even going to continue reading the series. it's changed so much since the first 4 four seasons.... they don't even seem like the same characters, the only ones who are the same are Xander and Faith. I'm just so disappointed
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Post by Emmie on Mar 5, 2008 18:47:02 GMT -5
ok so its developments like batsu..(er buffatsu?) that really drive home to me the need for season 8 buffy fanfic. there's just so many holes left btn what's being shown in the comics and the developing stages...it just leaves me wanting more.
anybody know of some good fanfic that's been following the comics?
i've tried hunting some down with little success
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 5, 2008 18:55:05 GMT -5
I'm shocked, disappointed, and angry. I can't believe the writers did that. I'm glad that I read the spoiler, I'm NOT buying this comic. Well, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. i know, really whats the big deal. i think this whole issue was beyond perfect
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 5, 2008 18:58:32 GMT -5
I too was a little angry at first, but after reading it, and thinking about what Buffy is going through, it makes total sense. Joss has explained where this going to go, and it's pretty interesting.
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Post by patrick on Mar 5, 2008 19:04:01 GMT -5
If anybody DESERVES a happy ending in the Buffyverse, it's Willow. I mean, come on...she's such a good kid. Always has been. At this point we must disagree. They ALL deserve happy endings. No one character more than any other. It seems that the Buffy/Satsu hookup is getting its desired affect...I think Whedon did for no other reason than to get folks worked up. Buffy'll be back to boys by issue 16.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 5, 2008 19:08:22 GMT -5
BISEXUALITY people, look it up. Looking it up won't change the fact that Buffy is an established straight woman. But carry on amping up supposed homophobia because people don't like characters acting out of character. I enjoy it.
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